nufc4eva Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 He's one step away from just coming out every press conference and saying "We will probably lose, xxx team just like winning more than us" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 Think it's fairly obvious that he's not go the first clue how to get the best out of Ben Arfa. He doesn't know where to play him, he doesn't trust him and he can't motivate him. To mask his own failings he's frozen the lad out and we'll end up selling him on for a pittance because the daft cunt is atrocious at his job. All of that is pretty disgusting but the fact it's inevitably going to be spun as getting a rotten egg out when he moves on is beyond disgraceful. Good managers can deal with talented, possibly moody, players and get the best out of them. The wank managers sell them on because they're not good enough to do their job. Guess which category this slimy prick falls into. Couldn't have said it better myself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 Isn't Luca just a massive WUM ? A massive WUM or mentally challenged, one of the two. Bit strong, it is possible to disagree. It is possible to disagree, the crap he's came out with is more than disagreeing, it's total bollocks and an attempt to change history. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 Football Focus hosted from Newcastle and they don't even attempt to touch on the lack of ambition from the club or offer an assessment on Pardew beyond 'he'll be wondering why he played a weaker team in the cup'. For fuck's sake. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 Football Focus hosted from Newcastle and they don't even attempt to touch on the lack of ambition from the club or offer an assessment on Pardew beyond 'he'll be wondering why he played a weaker team in the cup'. For fuck's sake. Notice the staged questions as well? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 You telling me "How old is David Moyes?" was a staged question, nees? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 Well it's to be expected that they're already lined up, I just don't understand why questions about the state of the club and manager aren't the most pressing thing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 You telling me "How old is David Moyes?" was a staged question, nees? Excluding the kids. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 Well it's to be expected that they're already lined up, I just don't understand why questions about the state of the club and manager aren't the most pressing thing. Because nobody really cares, any more than you care about board-level goings on at West Ham etc... If we were fighting relegation they'd probably start connecting the dots and asking that kind of question, but a cynical approach to advertising or a slightly unambitious transfer policy aren't much of a story if the club is roughly where it should be* in the league. Similarly, a club's form taking a massive nosedive when they're marooned in mid-table with naff all to play for isn't much of an earthshaking concept either. The popular perception of Pardew will remain that he's done an ok-ish job this year, pretty much no matter what happens, and the popular perception of Mike Ashley will hinge similarly on the club's general fortunes in the league. Not saying a TV show focusing specifically on Newcastle shouldn't be a bit more forensic than that, but that's basically the score I think. *you know what I mean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 This place is savage if anyone dares suggest Pardew is anything other than 100% evil And what he said Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 This place is savage if anyone dares suggest Pardew is anything other than 100% evil And what he said So it should be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 Well.... no. Time and again people get an absolute shoeing for making relatively uncontentious points in mitigation of the view that he's an entirely destructive, clueless imbecile hell-bent on stymying the club. Not a constructive shoeing either - they get shouted down and slagged off as much as argued with. That ain't good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 They're not being contrary for no reason, they're just disagreeing with you, and what they deserve for that is certainly not to be shouted down. The one thing worse than a forum that only tolerates one point of view would be one in which nobody ever even bothered to dissent, but that is what you seem to be angling for. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 Coming in licking the blokes arse saying things such as "he's right not to start Ben Arfa," "he isn't as shit as people make out," and "what he said there wasn't THAT bad" isn't exactly "mitigation of the view that he's an entirely destructive, clueless imbecile hell-bent on stymying the club" it's just incorrect waffle that serves no purpose other than to provide some form of undeserved defence to the complete shithouse, akin to plastering a cracked wall with jam. No idea what that even mean but it's staying. And for that you deserve a not a constructive shoeing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varadi Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 Well.... no. Time and again people get an absolute shoeing for making relatively uncontentious points in mitigation of the view that he's an entirely destructive, clueless imbecile hell-bent on stymying the club. Not a constructive shoeing either - they get shouted down and slagged off as much as argued with. That ain't good. He is all of those things. And what you're saying is entirely incorrect. People rightly get shouted down for being contrary for no reason and telling people to not "worry" etc Kind of proves the initial point. Even Ian W is starting every post with "I'm not saying I don't hate Pardew..." - any discussion off the party line has been absolutely crushed. Note: Not saying I don't hate Pardew btw... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 Agree with Varadi, not trollemache as he's a imbecile. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 Defending (not even particularly staunchly ffs) his decision not to start one particular player is not licking his arse. Saying he's not as shit as people make out (considering what people are making him out to be, which is 100% shit, about as shit as can possibly be) is not licking his arse. And yes, you've kind of demonstrated my point there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 They're not being contrary for no reason, they're just disagreeing with you, and what they deserve for that is certainly not to be shouted down. The one thing worse than a forum that only tolerates one point of view would be one in which nobody ever even bothered to dissent, but that is what you seem to be angling for. tbh i rarely see much in the way of what you'd call disagreement, it basically always, always boils down to "well ashley would appoint charles manson so we should keep him" i'd love to have a proper discussion about the man's managerial capabilities, decision making and presence with the media but there isn't one to be had Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 Agree with Varadi, not trollemache as he's a imbecile. He's "a imbecile" who has barely done anything but disagree with you yet attracts all kinds of abuse. And me and Varadi are making the same point here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 Ian says "I'm not saying I don't hate Pardew" to try and give his meaningless waffle some sort of credence, there's references to that debating technique scrawled in hieroglyphics on cave walls. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 Starting a sentence with "And". Are you Lee Ryder in disguise? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 They're not being contrary for no reason, they're just disagreeing with you, and what they deserve for that is certainly not to be shouted down. The one thing worse than a forum that only tolerates one point of view would be one in which nobody ever even bothered to dissent, but that is what you seem to be angling for. no not at all. People are fine with a constructive criticism. Plenty of viewpoints are tolerated as they should be. You can't come in proposing a radical view and not expect people to disagree. People are obviously fed up and angry with the club and people coming in staying "it's not that bad" etc is just fanning the flames I've no problem with people disagreeing with me. I like to argue the point with people who see things differently. But people do a lot more than just disagree. I don't have to go far back in this thread to see people writing off Luca's posts pretty disrespectfully when he's just voicing an opinion. You quoting quite a long one of his and simply replying "TL:DR" springs to mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 This Neesy kid's on the fucking ball like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 Defending (not even particularly staunchly ffs) his decision not to start one particular player is not licking his arse. Yes it is Saying he's not as shit as people make out (considering what people are making him out to be, which is 100% shit, about as shit as can possibly be) is not licking his arse. Yes it is And yes, you've kind of demonstrated my point there. No I haven't You're wrong, pack it in being wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 Well there's a tightly constructed argument Bye for now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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