Mick Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 It's not s*** for me, cheers. In my ultimate fantasy world, Newcastle would tick along like Arsenal for a bit, be totally self sufficient, break into the top 4 and end up having a go at the league. That's the perfect all-time scenario. When we sell players at a profit and our team gets better for years in a row I think to myself, ooh, if we keep this up we'll have a very good team indeed and it'll be all ours. Well done Newcastle. I don't really like the idea of some guy coming in and showering us with cash so we win more. It'd be nice, but not as nice as the other way. I'm interested in balance sheets and profit margins inasmuch as that's how you do an Arsenal. You have to be making money. I said CL *on a consistent basis* was impossible for us unless we spend absolutely loads. That's true. Am I f*** contradicting myself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 Cabaye was going to go when a big club came in, full stop. If we'd squeezed into the Champions League then maybe he'd have put it off for a year. There's just no way we were about to suddenly become a club who got CL football every year, which is what he has now, no matter how much we spent. And there you go again which is it? Spend money and get champions league /league placing or not. You talk so much drivel man, if we spent man city money we'd be in the champions league. Just as they are, and Chelsea We don't have the option to spend that much money. Let me rephrase then: "...no matter how much of OUR money we spent without totally f***ing ourselves over" our money as in solely income generated by the club, any point Ashely being here then? We DO have the option we just choose not to. How is it hard for you to grasp, bottom 4 net spend over the past 5 years Us/Everton/Arsenal/Spurs. Er... yeah. 4 clubs being run quite well then, in terms of transfers, and they've all done quite well, without making enormous leaps and bounds or having a full-on tilt at the title. In that time our squad has improved loads. What's your point? Ashley isn't there to pump loads of his own money in and have a cheeky tilt at the title no matter what the cost. Nor is Levy, nor is Kenwright. They're there to run the club as a business, so that it progresses. That is how you run a football club. Jesus wept man, I can't believe you actually think that last sentence. Football must be so s*** for you. And that's utter toss about them not having a tilt at the title. And even so I was talking about CL that you said was impossible for us. You constantly contradict yourself, seemingly obsessed with balance sheets/profit margins/. Levy hasn't put his own money in? Righto It's not s*** for me, cheers. In my ultimate fantasy world, Newcastle would tick along like Arsenal for a bit, be totally self sufficient, break into the top 4 and end up having a go at the league. That's the perfect all-time scenario. When we sell players at a profit and our team gets better for years in a row I think to myself, ooh, if we keep this up we'll have a very good team indeed and it'll be all ours. Well done Newcastle. I don't really like the idea of some guy coming in and showering us with cash so we win more. It'd be nice, but not as nice as the other way. I'm interested in balance sheets and profit margins inasmuch as that's how you do an Arsenal. You have to be making money. I said CL *on a consistent basis* was impossible for us unless we spend absolutely loads. That's true. Am I f*** contradicting myself. You're f***ing comical. Even in your wildest dreams you would choose to "do an Arsenal" Your dream would be to challenge for the league and not win it Total ambition! Ok, in my wildest dreams we'd "do an Arsenal" and actually win it. Every year, forever. You know what I mean. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 Cabaye was going to go when a big club came in, full stop. If we'd squeezed into the Champions League then maybe he'd have put it off for a year. There's just no way we were about to suddenly become a club who got CL football every year, which is what he has now, no matter how much we spent. And there you go again which is it? Spend money and get champions league /league placing or not. You talk so much drivel man, if we spent man city money we'd be in the champions league. Just as they are, and Chelsea We don't have the option to spend that much money. Let me rephrase then: "...no matter how much of OUR money we spent without totally f***ing ourselves over" our money as in solely income generated by the club, any point Ashely being here then? We DO have the option we just choose not to. How is it hard for you to grasp, bottom 4 net spend over the past 5 years Us/Everton/Arsenal/Spurs. Er... yeah. 4 clubs being run quite well then, in terms of transfers, and they've all done quite well, without making enormous leaps and bounds or having a full-on tilt at the title. In that time our squad has improved loads. What's your point? Ashley isn't there to pump loads of his own money in and have a cheeky tilt at the title no matter what the cost. Nor is Levy, nor is Kenwright. They're there to run the club as a business, so that it progresses. That is how you run a football club. Jesus wept man, I can't believe you actually think that last sentence. Football must be so s*** for you. And that's utter toss about them not having a tilt at the title. And even so I was talking about CL that you said was impossible for us. You constantly contradict yourself, seemingly obsessed with balance sheets/profit margins/. Levy hasn't put his own money in? Righto It's not s*** for me, cheers. In my ultimate fantasy world, Newcastle would tick along like Arsenal for a bit, be totally self sufficient, break into the top 4 and end up having a go at the league. That's the perfect all-time scenario. When we sell players at a profit and our team gets better for years in a row I think to myself, ooh, if we keep this up we'll have a very good team indeed and it'll be all ours. Well done Newcastle. I don't really like the idea of some guy coming in and showering us with cash so we win more. It'd be nice, but not as nice as the other way. I'm interested in balance sheets and profit margins inasmuch as that's how you do an Arsenal. You have to be making money. I said CL *on a consistent basis* was impossible for us unless we spend absolutely loads. That's true. Am I f*** contradicting myself. do arsenal do that? I just gave you the net spends! I'm done with this anyway it's so tedious Yes, Arsenal make money. And they built what they have now by buying players with good resale value, and selling them at their peak, reinvesting until they had an awesome team without having ploughed loads of someone else's money in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 I'd happily "tick along like Arsenal for a bit" mind, we'd probably have to buy half of a squad first like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 To be honest I'd take it as something of a slur anyway You're living on fantasy island man, we're not going to do anything the way you want the club to be run. If we're going to do anything we're going to have to spend some money, something we don't want to do and don't like doing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andymc1 Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 To be honest I'd take it as something of a slur anyway You're living on fantasy island man, we're not going to do anything the way you want the club to be run. If we're going to do anything we're going to have to spend some money, something we don't want to do and don't like doing. It's this kind of attitude that will see us go down the same road as Portsmouth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 It's this kind of attitude that will see us go down the same road as Portsmouth. I know, it makes you wonder why every other club haven't done a Portsmouth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wisdom Body Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 Seems like I've missed a good few pages of bantz. It's highly amusing how mental everyone goes when someone has a point that might not absolutely hammer Pardew. May as well lock this thread TBH. As these past pages have shown, these points that do "not absolutely hammer" Pardew are nothing more than hot air balloons supported by a mixture of hyperoptimism and contrarianism. This is why everyone gets agitated. I don't even see the point of this argument. Nothing beyond "Stop being so negative, you buggers!" People are dissatisfied with Pardew because Newcastle United plays bad football. The protagonist of this argument has admitted as much. If we were qualifying for the Champions' League with George Graham-style 1-0 wins few would complain. Mid table mediocrity would be tollerable if we were playing enjoyable football or going on cup runs. When your football is both ineffectual and unpleasant its pointless, as are consequentially all arguments in favour of the current manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 At least we might end up with some degree of fan ownership if we went down that road Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andymc1 Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 It's this kind of attitude that will see us go down the same road as Portsmouth. I know, it makes you wonder why every other club haven't done a Portsmouth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 To be honest I'd take it as something of a slur anyway You're living on fantasy island man, we're not going to do anything the way you want the club to be run. If we're going to do anything we're going to have to spend some money, something we don't want to do and don't like doing. But the squad has improved loads while we've been doing this! It's happened, right in front of you. Much better players than we had 3 years ago. Playing nasty Pardew football, but undeniably much better players. We've done that without spending. So if you extrapolate that, what happens? We continue to make money, we continue to accumulate better players. It might not happen, I don't know, but so far it undeniably, categorically has, hasn't it? We're way off topic here, since this is more of an Ashley / board issue than a Pardew one, but hey Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 Cabaye was going to go when a big club came in, full stop. If we'd squeezed into the Champions League then maybe he'd have put it off for a year. There's just no way we were about to suddenly become a club who got CL football every year, which is what he has now, no matter how much we spent. And there you go again which is it? Spend money and get champions league /league placing or not. You talk so much drivel man, if we spent man city money we'd be in the champions league. Just as they are, and Chelsea We don't have the option to spend that much money. Let me rephrase then: "...no matter how much of OUR money we spent without totally f***ing ourselves over" our money as in solely income generated by the club, any point Ashely being here then? We DO have the option we just choose not to. How is it hard for you to grasp, bottom 4 net spend over the past 5 years Us/Everton/Arsenal/Spurs. Er... yeah. 4 clubs being run quite well then, in terms of transfers, and they've all done quite well, without making enormous leaps and bounds or having a full-on tilt at the title. In that time our squad has improved loads. What's your point? Ashley isn't there to pump loads of his own money in and have a cheeky tilt at the title no matter what the cost. Nor is Levy, nor is Kenwright. They're there to run the club as a business, so that it progresses. That is how you run a football club. Jesus wept man, I can't believe you actually think that last sentence. Football must be so s*** for you. And that's utter toss about them not having a tilt at the title. And even so I was talking about CL that you said was impossible for us. You constantly contradict yourself, seemingly obsessed with balance sheets/profit margins/. Levy hasn't put his own money in? Righto It's not s*** for me, cheers. In my ultimate fantasy world, Newcastle would tick along like Arsenal for a bit, be totally self sufficient, break into the top 4 and end up having a go at the league. That's the perfect all-time scenario. When we sell players at a profit and our team gets better for years in a row I think to myself, ooh, if we keep this up we'll have a very good team indeed and it'll be all ours. Well done Newcastle. I don't really like the idea of some guy coming in and showering us with cash so we win more. It'd be nice, but not as nice as the other way. I'm interested in balance sheets and profit margins inasmuch as that's how you do an Arsenal. You have to be making money. I said CL *on a consistent basis* was impossible for us unless we spend absolutely loads. That's true. Am I f*** contradicting myself. do arsenal do that? I just gave you the net spends! I'm done with this anyway it's so tedious Yes, Arsenal make money. And they built what they have now by buying players with good resale value, and selling them at their peak, reinvesting until they had an awesome team without having ploughed loads of someone else's money in. See what I mean? Good grief. Knows as much about football as I do about particle physics. I know it exists, and I know some terms but amongst people who know their stuff, absolutely embarrassing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 Seems like I've missed a good few pages of bantz. It's highly amusing how mental everyone goes when someone has a point that might not absolutely hammer Pardew. May as well lock this thread TBH. As these past pages have shown, these points that do "not absolutely hammer" Pardew are nothing more than hot air balloons supported by a mixture of hyperoptimism and contrarianism. This is why everyone gets agitated. I don't even see the point of this argument. Nothing beyond "Stop being so negative, you buggers!" People are dissatisfied with Pardew because Newcastle United plays bad football. The protagonist of this argument has admitted as much. If we were qualifying for the Champions' League with George Graham-style 1-0 wins few would complain. Mid table mediocrity would be tollerable if we were playing enjoyable football or going on cup runs. When your football is both ineffectual and unpleasant its pointless, as are consequentially all arguments in favour of the current manager. kernt Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest tollemache Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 Cabaye was going to go when a big club came in, full stop. If we'd squeezed into the Champions League then maybe he'd have put it off for a year. There's just no way we were about to suddenly become a club who got CL football every year, which is what he has now, no matter how much we spent. And there you go again which is it? Spend money and get champions league /league placing or not. You talk so much drivel man, if we spent man city money we'd be in the champions league. Just as they are, and Chelsea We don't have the option to spend that much money. Let me rephrase then: "...no matter how much of OUR money we spent without totally f***ing ourselves over" our money as in solely income generated by the club, any point Ashely being here then? We DO have the option we just choose not to. How is it hard for you to grasp, bottom 4 net spend over the past 5 years Us/Everton/Arsenal/Spurs. Er... yeah. 4 clubs being run quite well then, in terms of transfers, and they've all done quite well, without making enormous leaps and bounds or having a full-on tilt at the title. In that time our squad has improved loads. What's your point? Ashley isn't there to pump loads of his own money in and have a cheeky tilt at the title no matter what the cost. Nor is Levy, nor is Kenwright. They're there to run the club as a business, so that it progresses. That is how you run a football club. Jesus wept man, I can't believe you actually think that last sentence. Football must be so s*** for you. And that's utter toss about them not having a tilt at the title. And even so I was talking about CL that you said was impossible for us. You constantly contradict yourself, seemingly obsessed with balance sheets/profit margins/. Levy hasn't put his own money in? Righto It's not s*** for me, cheers. In my ultimate fantasy world, Newcastle would tick along like Arsenal for a bit, be totally self sufficient, break into the top 4 and end up having a go at the league. That's the perfect all-time scenario. When we sell players at a profit and our team gets better for years in a row I think to myself, ooh, if we keep this up we'll have a very good team indeed and it'll be all ours. Well done Newcastle. I don't really like the idea of some guy coming in and showering us with cash so we win more. It'd be nice, but not as nice as the other way. I'm interested in balance sheets and profit margins inasmuch as that's how you do an Arsenal. You have to be making money. I said CL *on a consistent basis* was impossible for us unless we spend absolutely loads. That's true. Am I f*** contradicting myself. do arsenal do that? I just gave you the net spends! I'm done with this anyway it's so tedious Yes, Arsenal make money. And they built what they have now by buying players with good resale value, and selling them at their peak, reinvesting until they had an awesome team without having ploughed loads of someone else's money in. See what I mean? Good grief. Knows as much about football as I do about particle physics. I know it exists, and I know some terms but amongst people who know their stuff, absolutely embarrassing. Describe Arsenal's Wenger-era transfer policy for me if you could Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 "When your football is both ineffectual and unpleasant its pointless." This is a brilliant quote about Newcastle under pardew and also the reason he should be relieved of his duties. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 Cabaye was going to go when a big club came in, full stop. If we'd squeezed into the Champions League then maybe he'd have put it off for a year. There's just no way we were about to suddenly become a club who got CL football every year, which is what he has now, no matter how much we spent. And there you go again which is it? Spend money and get champions league /league placing or not. You talk so much drivel man, if we spent man city money we'd be in the champions league. Just as they are, and Chelsea We don't have the option to spend that much money. Let me rephrase then: "...no matter how much of OUR money we spent without totally f***ing ourselves over" our money as in solely income generated by the club, any point Ashely being here then? We DO have the option we just choose not to. How is it hard for you to grasp, bottom 4 net spend over the past 5 years Us/Everton/Arsenal/Spurs. Er... yeah. 4 clubs being run quite well then, in terms of transfers, and they've all done quite well, without making enormous leaps and bounds or having a full-on tilt at the title. In that time our squad has improved loads. What's your point? Ashley isn't there to pump loads of his own money in and have a cheeky tilt at the title no matter what the cost. Nor is Levy, nor is Kenwright. They're there to run the club as a business, so that it progresses. That is how you run a football club. Jesus wept man, I can't believe you actually think that last sentence. Football must be so s*** for you. And that's utter toss about them not having a tilt at the title. And even so I was talking about CL that you said was impossible for us. You constantly contradict yourself, seemingly obsessed with balance sheets/profit margins/. Levy hasn't put his own money in? Righto It's not s*** for me, cheers. In my ultimate fantasy world, Newcastle would tick along like Arsenal for a bit, be totally self sufficient, break into the top 4 and end up having a go at the league. That's the perfect all-time scenario. When we sell players at a profit and our team gets better for years in a row I think to myself, ooh, if we keep this up we'll have a very good team indeed and it'll be all ours. Well done Newcastle. I don't really like the idea of some guy coming in and showering us with cash so we win more. It'd be nice, but not as nice as the other way. I'm interested in balance sheets and profit margins inasmuch as that's how you do an Arsenal. You have to be making money. I said CL *on a consistent basis* was impossible for us unless we spend absolutely loads. That's true. Am I f*** contradicting myself. do arsenal do that? I just gave you the net spends! I'm done with this anyway it's so tedious Yes, Arsenal make money. And they built what they have now by buying players with good resale value, and selling them at their peak, reinvesting until they had an awesome team without having ploughed loads of someone else's money in. See what I mean? Good grief. Knows as much about football as I do about particle physics. I know it exists, and I know some terms but amongst people who know their stuff, absolutely embarrassing. Describe Arsenal's Wenger-era transfer policy for me if you could Why should I? Do your own research, unless you're planning to teach me particle physics. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 Arsenal have consistently been in the top 4 for decades, spanning various eras of the premiership including the current Russian/Sheik billionaire era, their transfer policy is completely irrelevant Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 Cabaye was going to go when a big club came in, full stop. If we'd squeezed into the Champions League then maybe he'd have put it off for a year. There's just no way we were about to suddenly become a club who got CL football every year, which is what he has now, no matter how much we spent. And there you go again which is it? Spend money and get champions league /league placing or not. You talk so much drivel man, if we spent man city money we'd be in the champions league. Just as they are, and Chelsea We don't have the option to spend that much money. Let me rephrase then: "...no matter how much of OUR money we spent without totally f***ing ourselves over" our money as in solely income generated by the club, any point Ashely being here then? We DO have the option we just choose not to. How is it hard for you to grasp, bottom 4 net spend over the past 5 years Us/Everton/Arsenal/Spurs. Er... yeah. 4 clubs being run quite well then, in terms of transfers, and they've all done quite well, without making enormous leaps and bounds or having a full-on tilt at the title. In that time our squad has improved loads. What's your point? Ashley isn't there to pump loads of his own money in and have a cheeky tilt at the title no matter what the cost. Nor is Levy, nor is Kenwright. They're there to run the club as a business, so that it progresses. That is how you run a football club. Jesus wept man, I can't believe you actually think that last sentence. Football must be so s*** for you. And that's utter toss about them not having a tilt at the title. And even so I was talking about CL that you said was impossible for us. You constantly contradict yourself, seemingly obsessed with balance sheets/profit margins/. Levy hasn't put his own money in? Righto It's not s*** for me, cheers. In my ultimate fantasy world, Newcastle would tick along like Arsenal for a bit, be totally self sufficient, break into the top 4 and end up having a go at the league. That's the perfect all-time scenario. When we sell players at a profit and our team gets better for years in a row I think to myself, ooh, if we keep this up we'll have a very good team indeed and it'll be all ours. Well done Newcastle. I don't really like the idea of some guy coming in and showering us with cash so we win more. It'd be nice, but not as nice as the other way. I'm interested in balance sheets and profit margins inasmuch as that's how you do an Arsenal. You have to be making money. I said CL *on a consistent basis* was impossible for us unless we spend absolutely loads. That's true. Am I f*** contradicting myself. do arsenal do that? I just gave you the net spends! I'm done with this anyway it's so tedious Yes, Arsenal make money. And they built what they have now by buying players with good resale value, and selling them at their peak, reinvesting until they had an awesome team without having ploughed loads of someone else's money in. See what I mean? Good grief. Knows as much about football as I do about particle physics. I know it exists, and I know some terms but amongst people who know their stuff, absolutely embarrassing. Describe Arsenal's Wenger-era transfer policy for me if you could Why should I? Do your own research, unless you're planning to teach me particle physics. Ooh, that's quite an evasive answer. Wonder why. I know what Wenger's transfer policy was about, cheers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_R Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 OK. I agree with some of what Trollemache is saying [Tin hat on]. We can't buy the title. We can't do much better than probably 6th or 7th on a consistent basis. And we're currently 9th despite everyone bemoaning the paper thin squad, poor performances and shit manager, which is pretty contrary. Obviously something, somewhere is going right, at least to a degree. Despite that, I want Pardew out as much as the next man. Mainly because of this: If we were qualifying for the Champions' League with George Graham-style 1-0 wins few would complain. Mid table mediocrity would be tollerable if we were playing enjoyable football or going on cup runs. When your football is both ineffectual and unpleasant its pointless, as are consequentially all arguments in favour of the current manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 Arsenal have consistently been in the top 4 for decades, spanning various eras of the premiership inducing the current Russian/Sheik billionaire era, their transfer policy is completely irrelevant It's relevant to them staying in the top 4 and winning titles with a ludicrously low, and frequently negative, transfer spend, while their direct rivals spent huge sums, including sums of other peoples' money, just to keep up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andymc1 Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 OK. I agree with some of what Trollemache is saying [Tin hat on]. We can't buy the title. We can't do much better than probably 6th or 7th on a consistent basis. And we're currently 9th despite everyone bemoaning the paper thin squad, poor performances and s*** manager, which is pretty contrary. Obviously something, somewhere is going right, at least to a degree. Despite that, I want Pardew out as much as the next man. Mainly because of this: If we were qualifying for the Champions' League with George Graham-style 1-0 wins few would complain. Mid table mediocrity would be tollerable if we were playing enjoyable football or going on cup runs. When your football is both ineffectual and unpleasant its pointless, as are consequentially all arguments in favour of the current manager. Such a defeatist attitude. "We can't do any better than we're doing now so we're not going to bother trying to improve." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 Arsene Wenger won the Premier League title in his first full season because he's one of the all time great managers. You're attempting to argue that keeping the manager that we found round the back of the League One bins is us attempting to "do an Arsenal". Go and find something else to do ffs. Is this all there is to do in Croatia, wind people up on an random internet forum? Fuck me, cross it off the potential destinations list. I'm utterly embarrassed for you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 Arsene Wenger won the Premier League title in his first full season because he's one of the all time great managers. You're attempting to argue that keeping the manager that we found round the back of the League One bins is us attempting to "do an Arsenal". Go and find something else to do ffs. Is this all there is to do in Croatia, wind people up on an random internet forum? f*** me, cross it off the potential destinations list. I'm utterly embarrassed for you. But stability man! It will bring us success in the long run Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted February 16, 2014 Share Posted February 16, 2014 Arsene Wenger won the Premier League title in his first full season because he's one of the all time great managers. You're attempting to argue that keeping the manager that we found round the back of the League One bins is us attempting to "do an Arsenal". Go and find something else to do ffs. Is this all there is to do in Croatia, wind people up on an random internet forum? Fuck me, cross it off the potential destinations list. I'm utterly embarrassed for you. At what point did I say the choice of manager had anything to do with the idea of us "doing an Arsenal"? I'm not attempting to argue anything like what you've just said. Absolutely nothing like it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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