Manchester United

[bobbydazzla]

6 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

Not my stats to be fair.

 

Also your link, it doesn't include players injured before the season started. Same as the BBC one, so you're not top even at that point, Man United and Chelsea are. And I wouldn't say your season was over. You were 3 points behind us in January and 4 off the European spots.

 

Compare the strength in depth of the Man Utd, Chelsea and Newcastle squads, then compare how much each squad cost to assemble

 

Then shut your cakehole 

 

 

[Froggy]

1 minute ago, Optimistic Nut said:

The Dummett and Ritchie thing (and Gillespie) sort of exasperates our issue, though. These are Championship/League 1 level remnants of Ashley & FFP. We effectively had 22 serviceable senior players to play 50 games with. A few injuries makes it tough, 8-9 which we had at one stage is unmanageable.

 

You get to throw £100m at the drop of a hat to put things right your end, we're having to move on potentially talented players to stand still. 

 

First of, no we don't.  We're in a big PSR pickle ourselves and have been selling young players, just not the value of Minteh or Anderson.

 

But again, as stated above, this isn't about who has the bigger squad or who was better equipped. It's about the facts surrounding injuries.

[Geogaddi]

33 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

I am not trolling. We had the worst injury crisis. Newcastle fans seem to think it was them, despite never being down to even third choice in any position.  We were on our 7th choice centre back. 

 

Most time-loss injuries = Man United (Chelsea were second, Newcastle third)

Most individual injuries = Spurs (Man United joint second, Newcastle joint third with Chelsea)

Most players out injured in a single week = Man United/Newcastle/Chelsea/Luton all joint first

 

Now to the only metric that Newcastle were clear at the top of, which was days lost to injury. It's there on BBC to see, but if you don't look at it through black and white tinted sunglasses, it clearly states that it doesn't include players who were injured before the season began, so it doesn't include Mainoo, Malacia etc. for us, and it doesn't include Fofana for Chelsea.

 

So, most days lost to injury, if you include players injured from before the season started = Man United (Chelsea second, Newcastle third)

 

Yes, we all know about Tonali. It wasn't an injury. Yes we all know Man United and Chelsea have squads that cost hundreds of quintillions. I mean, didn't you hear Man United paid £89m for Pogba? It doesn't matter and it's not the debate at hand. Man United had, by some way, the worst injury crisis last season and Chelsea were next, not Newcastle.

 

I mean, don't get me wrong, I'm only going on facts, but if you want to use something else to justify it that's cool too. It is a forum for sharing opinions.

It's irrelevant who had the worst injury crisis of the two clubs , both clubs had a ridiculous injury crisis .

 

The main difference is our squad cost about half as much as your squad and our wage bill is probably about a quarter of what you pay , therefore we were always going to find it much much harder to cope with a ridiculous injury crisis and our season suffered far far more as a consequence.

 

it would be like saying Man City had more injuries than Fulham but without adding the context of the money spent on wages and transfers .

 

 

Edited August 1, 2024 by Geogaddi

[Froggy]

1 minute ago, bobbydazzla said:

 

Compare the strength in depth of the Man Utd, Chelsea and Newcastle squads, then compare how much each squad cost to assemble

 

Then shut your cakehole 

 

Again, stated above. Multiple times.

 

Yes we have a better squad than you, but we still had a bigger injury crisis. Facts all around.

[Froggy]

Thank the Lord Sir Jim that this debate is in this thread.

[KingArthur]

10 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

I'd like to be very clear here, I'm not saying you weren't completely shafted by injuries. Your injuries were brutal, ours were just that little bit worse. We are of course better equipped to deal with them than you, but that isn't the debate. 

 

Malacia is essentially cheating in a way, as he was out an entire year but is a second choice player. It's why those lists should be taken with a pinch of salt. The reason we had the worst injury crisis was because of the centre back situation. 

 

 

I'm not twisting facts. That's just true. You were never in a position were Ritchie or Dummett had to start.

 

And the league cup, Howe deliberately played fringe players and kids. That was a choice.

And I like to be very clear: You said the stats don't include Mainoo and Malacia, or Fofana. But they don't include Krafth or Willock either. 

We had many pretty much season ending injuries. This is also a fact. That is why I would argue they were a lot worse. 

 

And yes, your CB situation was awful, so was our GK or midfield situation. Or striker in some parts when I think Almiron ended the game as front man..

 

 

 

Edited August 1, 2024 by KingArthur

[54]

I feel like this debate is like comparing who had it worse, a guy without a left leg, or a guy without a right.

 

Newcastle fans are going to say they had it worse as they lived it but didn't Man United's injury crisis, and vice versa for Man United fans

[Robbo2]

3 hours ago, Paully said:

 

[bobbydazzla]

13 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

Again, stated above. Multiple times.

 

Yes we have a better squad than you, but we still had a bigger injury crisis. Facts all around.

The gap between the depth, strength and cost of Man Utd & Chelsea squads vs Newcastle’s squad is huge

 

The gap between the injury crisis at the 3 clubs was not huge 

 

This isn’t the hill you want to die on Froggy 

 

 

Edited August 1, 2024 by bobbydazzla

[Froggy]

Just now, bobbydazzla said:

The gap between the depth, strength and cost of Man Utd & Chelsea squads vs Newcastle’s squad is huge

 

Correct.

 

Just now, bobbydazzla said:

The gap between our injury crisis was not

 

Correct, but ours was still worse.

 

That's all I'm saying. I don't want to die on any hill, apart from the one where Isak is the Swedish Martial.

[54]

Man United had more individual injuries:

 

 

Newcastle had more time and games lost due to injuries:

 

 

[Froggy]

We've been over this 54. It's all up above.

[54]

5 minutes ago, Froggy said:

We've been over this 54. It's all up above.

So we're well aware we're just comparing different shades of shit then?

[Ben]

15 minutes ago, 54 said:

Man United had more individual injuries:

 

 

Newcastle had more time and games lost due to injuries:

 

 

 

Why wasn't that background white ? 

[Froggy]

4 minutes ago, 54 said:

So we're well aware we're just comparing different shades of shit then?

 

Your lists don't include preseason injuries.

 

But yes, we are comparing different shades of shit, just our shit was slightly more stinky.

[54]

2 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

Your lists don't include preseason injuries.

 

But yes, we are comparing different shades of shit, just our shit was slightly more stinky.

[Ben]

Lucky Man Utd eh? First McClaren goes and then the non striker gets injured, gives them an opportunity to actually get professionals in 

[Froggy]

2 minutes ago, Ben said:

Lucky Man Utd eh? First McClaren goes and then the non striker gets injured, gives them an opportunity to actually get professionals in 

 

The trophy streak is in jeopardy.

 

I really don't know if I can go 6 years without a trophy again guys.

[Ben]

1 minute ago, Froggy said:

 

The trophy streak is in jeopardy.

 

I really don't know if I can go 6 years without a trophy again guys.

 

Who finishes higher Newcastle or Man Utd ?

[Alberto2005]

Glad these lot will understand what it was like for us last season with the injuries.

[Froggy]

Just now, Ben said:

Who finishes higher Newcastle or Man Utd ?

 

We do. 

 

City

Arsenal

Man United

Liverpool

Newcastle

Chelsea

 

Ten Hag wins the Europa League to make it 3 trophies on the bounce and gets sacked the next day.

[Elma]

8 minutes ago, Alberto2005 said:

Glad these lot will understand what it was like for us last season with the injuries.

 

I think they actually had more single injuries than us last year, just no one got close to us for actual days lost to injury. 

 

Edit: I stand corrected on both points from this:

 

https://www.givemesport.com/every-premier-league-team-ranked-injuries-suffered/

 

Something I saw a few weeks back said we had most days/games missed, followed by Sheff Utd. Perhaps the other figure I saw included Tonali? 

 

 

Edited August 1, 2024 by Elma
Correction

[Ben]

6 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

We do. 

 

City

Arsenal

Man United

Liverpool

Newcastle

Chelsea

 

Ten Hag wins the Europa League to make it 3 trophies on the bounce and gets sacked the next day.

 

Your right about him getting sacked, not the other stuff

 

#gonebychristmas

 

#Southgate.

[Big River]

8 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

We do. 

 

City

Arsenal

Man United

Liverpool

Newcastle

Chelsea

 

Ten Hag wins the Europa League to make it 3 trophies on the bounce and gets sacked the next day.

 

didn’t you predict you’d finish above us last season as well?  dream on Frog

[Froggy]

Just now, Big River said:

didn’t you predict you’d finish above us last season as well?  dream on Frog

 

Probably, but I didn't forsee our unprecedented injury crisis.

 

We had the better season though.