r0cafella Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 2 minutes ago, Minhosa said: Unimpressed. I ask because some or the lads on Gallowgates shots seemed to be ok with the idea, feels like a bit of a gamble to me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 6 minutes ago, r0cafella said: I ask because some or the lads on Gallowgates shots seemed to be ok with the idea, feels like a bit of a gamble to me. Wissa looks like an over 40’s player. Osula still feels like a bit of a wildcard option imho even though he’s been so much better over the last month. I think we’ve established that Woltemade cannot play as the top man in the PL and needs to play off someone. If that’s the case then it leaves Wissa and Osula alone who can play as the final man. That feels inherently risky to me. In terms of depth, reliability and quality. Add to that Wissa’s very slow recovery from a very serious injury, being one year older and not really getting a break due to the World Cup then I’d be inclined to say it would be fucking mental if they were the three attacking options we go with. Particularly with the wide attacking options falling short and requiring some surgery too. High risk indeed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 Just now, Minhosa said: Wissa looks like an over 40’s player. Osula still feels like a bit of a wildcard option imho even though he’s been so much better over the last month. I think we’ve established that Woltemade cannot play as the top man in the PL and needs to play off someone. If that’s the case then it leaves Wissa and Osula alone who can play as the final man. That feels inherently risky to me. In terms of depth, reliability and quality. Add to that Wissa’s very slow recovery from a very serious injury, being one year older and not really getting a break due to the World Cup then I’d be inclined to say it would be fucking mental if they were the three attacking options we go with. Particularly with the wide attacking options falling short and requiring some surgery too. High risk indeed. Couldn't agree more! It's obviously important to caveat this as hypothetical and we've got no idea if we are after another striker or not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 1 hour ago, r0cafella said: If we were to start next season with our current striking options how we feeling about that? Given how difficult it will be to shift the ones we currently have - unsurprised. We could have something with Osula though so maybe it wouldn't be a disaster. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 4 minutes ago, Yorkie said: Given how difficult it will be to shift the ones we currently have - unsurprised. We could have something with Osula though so maybe it wouldn't be a disaster. Osula has shown his talent but relying on him being the main man seems like a risk and obviously we can't have 150m sitting on the bench as well. Out of interest what do you judge as a disaster for next season? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 1 hour ago, r0cafella said: If we were to start next season with our current striking options how we feeling about that? I don't think we've got much choice tbh, I don't see us selling either Wissa or Woltemade to fund a new striker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussiemag Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 Minimum for next season is a Europa League spot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 I think the current striker options will be fine with 2 functioning wide forwards doing all the work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 1 hour ago, r0cafella said: If we were to start next season with our current striking options how we feeling about that? Depends on if we get enough quality brought in the areas behind them. I know this isn't popular but I am very convinced part of the reason strikers haven't performed is because the sources of creation behind them have been is slim to none. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 I don't see us fixing the right wing and I'm not confident elanga ever comes good (his output might improve) but he's got similar limitations to Murph. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 51 minutes ago, r0cafella said: Osula has shown his talent but relying on him being the main man seems like a risk and obviously we can't have 150m sitting on the bench as well. Out of interest what do you judge as a disaster for next season? Depends how you define it I suppose. The worst possible outcome would be relegation so I guess that would be the only thing I'd call a disaster; speaking purely in terms of the final league position. I'd hope and expect us to have a better season than this one, which I'd ultimately define as a mixed bag. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 7 minutes ago, Yorkie said: Depends how you define it I suppose. The worst possible outcome would be relegation so I guess that would be the only thing I'd call a disaster; speaking purely in terms of the final league position. I'd hope and expect us to have a better season than this one, which I'd ultimately define as a mixed bag. Fair enough and obviously a lot of stuff can happen between now and the end of next season Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 2 hours ago, Minhosa said: Wissa looks like an over 40’s player. Osula still feels like a bit of a wildcard option imho even though he’s been so much better over the last month. I think we’ve established that Woltemade cannot play as the top man in the PL and needs to play off someone. If that’s the case then it leaves Wissa and Osula alone who can play as the final man. That feels inherently risky to me. In terms of depth, reliability and quality. Add to that Wissa’s very slow recovery from a very serious injury, being one year older and not really getting a break due to the World Cup then I’d be inclined to say it would be fucking mental if they were the three attacking options we go with. Particularly with the wide attacking options falling short and requiring some surgery too. High risk indeed. My hunch is Osula stays. Wissa is sold/loaned out. Woltemade stays or is sold opportunistically late in window. We will sign a new CF. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 12 minutes ago, Kanj said: My hunch is Osula stays. Wissa is sold/loaned out. Woltemade stays or is sold opportunistically late in window. We will sign a new CF. I mean Osula is the only one that looks semi reliant at this stage. So he has to stay. Wissa would be the obvious choice to ship and has been all season. Turkey or KSA after a decent world cup with a bit of luck. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 1 minute ago, Minhosa said: I mean Osula is the only one that looks semi reliant at this stage. So he has to stay. Wissa would be the obvious choice to ship and has been all season. Turkey or KSA after a decent world cup with a bit of luck. there’s also a world where some daft team shells out a truckload for Osula too. Becomes tempting that, actualise a profit and go and sign someone we’ve been scouting for a while. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 1 hour ago, Kanj said: My hunch is Osula stays. Wissa is sold/loaned out. Woltemade stays or is sold opportunistically late in window. We will sign a new CF. I don't see there being any club out there that will give us our money back on Wolte, and the idea that we can sell Wissa to Saudi always seems based more on wishes than reality. If we loan him out, where do we get a striker who won't be a massive risk in their own right? The only plausible link I've seen is Nunez and that's assuming he will take a huge drop in wages. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funtime Frankie Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 Three of the top 10 are our players, show that we need to develop from a team of athletes to a team of technical players Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1881 Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 Although Bruno is definitely the heartbeat of the team I think one of the reasons we gave away so many leads last season is that we lack on-field leadership. I really think we need someone in either defence or midfield who can take that role and I don’t believe any of our current squad has consistently shown the sort of attributes required. Trippier had the necessary qualities and we really need to find a replacement, either from within or by purchasing someone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcjmc Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 13 minutes ago, 1881 said: Although Bruno is definitely the heartbeat of the team I think one of the reasons we gave away so many leads last season is that we lack on-field leadership. I really think we need someone in either defence or midfield who can take that role and I don’t believe any of our current squad has consistently shown the sort of attributes required. Trippier had the necessary qualities and we really need to find a replacement, either from within or by purchasing someone. Burn tried to be that last season calm head, voice players listen to and assume they respect. To his credit Bruno has matured so much since he joined. The mounting yellow cards and pointless aggression vanished and has really grown into the captain role. Funnily enough I think last season was his best goal contribution output for us and definitely led by example. Clashed with willock twice in 2 separate games and never shys away from post match interviews. A few have said they wouldnt be opposed to an older been there and done player who had alot of experience at the highest level trips definitely was that. They arent easy to find those that are still good enough to play and not cripple you financially though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1881 Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 Agree with everything you said and that sort of player seems to be a dying breed anyway. Perhaps Howe could encourage the players to at least be more vocal. There seems to be remarkably little communication between them during matches. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcjmc Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 6 minutes ago, 1881 said: Agree with everything you said and that sort of player seems to be a dying breed anyway. Perhaps Howe could encourage the players to at least be more vocal. There seems to be remarkably little communication between them during matches. Haven't been able to attend games since my son was born so I am a full arm chair pundit so only get to see what the tele or clubs extended highlights show. You don't drop as many points or concede in the final 15 mins of a game without there being an issue thing is I dont think it was 1 thing. Players playing too many mins. No signings for multiple windows making the side stale. Preception what the rat doing what he divided the group on if it was right or not. New signings being ineffective. Injuries all in concentrated areas of the pitch at once. Age and decline of some players. A number of players in final year not entering into contract negotiations in the season. 3 games a week relentless schedule I guess some could have been mitigated by the club, some the manager and some the players. There seems to have been too many alluded manager stern talks, player home truth chats last season none of it ultimately stopped the rot. You just have to hope those remaining following this summer are committed not to see it repeated. Plus shiny new eager/hungry/affective new recruits Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted yesterday at 06:49 Share Posted yesterday at 06:49 What's the bare minimum in terms of incomings we are expecting? 1st choice keeper Rotational/starting RB Rotational left back Lb Sandro replacement Gordon replacement That about right? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcjmc Posted yesterday at 07:14 Share Posted yesterday at 07:14 22 minutes ago, r0cafella said: What's the bare minimum in terms of incomings we are expecting? 1st choice keeper Rotational/starting RB Rotational left back Lb Sandro replacement Gordon replacement That about right? Likely the rest may depend on other sales willock may trigger a young midfielder coming in possibly. Do find it strange unless purely opportunistic we went for that RW that went to Brighton first. With the contract and age situation of two of the CB I would like someone to come in there too but probably expecting too much. RB/LB cover may sign someone who can do CB too when asked. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted yesterday at 07:17 Share Posted yesterday at 07:17 26 minutes ago, r0cafella said: What's the bare minimum in terms of incomings we are expecting? 1st choice keeper Rotational/starting RB Rotational left back Lb Sandro replacement Gordon replacement That about right? I'd take a left-footed version of Tino (LB who can also play RB) if we preferred just getting one full-back this summer to.improve elsewhere. We'd still have Miley who can play RB. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted yesterday at 07:17 Share Posted yesterday at 07:17 1 minute ago, nufcjmc said: Likely the rest may depend on other sales willock may trigger a young midfielder coming in possibly. Do find it strange unless purely opportunistic we went for that RW that went to Brighton first. With the contract and age situation of two of the CB I would like someone to come in there too but probably expecting too much. RB/LB cover may sign someone who can do CB too when asked. Yeah I discounted replacements for Willock because he's less likely to go on Sandro and wanted to give myself a gauge of what to expect on a minimal basis Trying to buy the lad that went to Brighton made sense, Murphy isn't getting any younger and Elangas limitations are obvious. The renewal of Fabi meant we are happy to kick the centre half can down the road. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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