Guest Roger Kint Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Ashley would probably see a year or two in the championship as a good thing. Not read the rest but thats as far from the truth as you can get tbh Not necessarily when you consider the number of fans who (probably rightly) think Ashley does not give a fuck about NUFC. He has said or done very little to prove otherwise. What people think about Ashleys motives are completely irrellevant. Fact is to say he would happily lose over £100m in TV money and god knows what in crowd loss, player upheaval and more importantly the huge loss in SD exposure is quite frankly absurd Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Remember the coverage our relegation got? I'm starting to think he'd absolutely love it. You recon the extra coverage is worth £70m? Expensive ad campaign that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc4eva Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Fuck this shit, i'm done not going back until he is gone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEEJ Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Remember the coverage our relegation got? I'm starting to think he'd absolutely love it. You recon the extra coverage is worth £70m? Expensive ad campaign that. Depends if at that point he just cuts his losses and does one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gleebals Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Ashley would probably see a year or two in the championship as a good thing. Not read the rest but thats as far from the truth as you can get tbh Not necessarily when you consider the number of fans who (probably rightly) think Ashley does not give a fuck about NUFC. He has said or done very little to prove otherwise. What people think about Ashleys motives are completely irrellevant. Fact is to say he would happily lose over £100m in TV money and god knows what in crowd loss, player upheaval and more importantly the huge loss in SD exposure is quite frankly absurd I agree what I have said is unlikely or indeed true just seems one of many possible explanations as to the terrible situation we find our club in. As you say, the debate is pretty irrelevant really as no one will ever know. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hudson Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 He's taking the mickey out of us, man, as if that wasn't already glaringly obvious. Aye but this time he's put it right out there in the press with i'll sack him after Stoke/Tuesday Comments at the weekend. It's plain and simple for everybody to see, so hopefully even more will start to turn against the current owner and his rabble. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 I reckon a couple of seasons in the Championship and Ashley would fuck off, so at this point I would take it if it meant we got an owner that at-least has some ambition. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiLvOR Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 So depressing man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Worth remembering when talking about relegation that its not just the loss in TV money. Obviously we'd lose £70-80m and for two seasons parachute payments would cover £15 to £20m(?) of that. But you then have Football league financial fair play, which will fine you £1 for every £1 you lose. We'll obviously be in the red both seasons by £15-£20m, meaning even if we do come back up we then have a £30-£40m fine to pay. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ste Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Ashley doesn't care about external pressure. What people think of Pardew won't matter a jot to him. If it did, Pardew would be gone now. Ashley must really think that Pardew can turn this around, and the people advising Ashley on the matter must think the same. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc4eva Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Worth remembering when talking about relegation that its not just the loss in TV money. Obviously we'd lose £70-80m and for two seasons parachute payments would cover £15 to £20m(?) of that. But you then have Football league financial fair play, which will fine you £1 for every £1 you lose. We'll obviously be in the red both seasons by £15-£20m, meaning even if we do come back up we then have a £30-£40m fine to pay. I would happily drop out of this league if it meant we would be rid of both Pardew and Ashley and could regain just a little bit of pride Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Well Sigurdsson is my captain this weekend, so I guess every cloud has a silver lining. What a b****** of a situation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ste Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 We had a good core of players the last time we were relegated. Along with the right manager at the right time, we made promotion look easy. I'm not so sure this time. I absolutely don't want this club to go down. Ashley wouldn't drop his asking price by much, we'd still be a very expensive club to buy even I'm the Championship. So likelihood would be we were stuck with him. Much better chance of him finding a buyer in the Prem, a buyer who wants to get the club into the CL and make money that way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Remember the coverage our relegation got? I'm starting to think he'd absolutely love it. You recon the extra coverage is worth £70m? Expensive ad campaign that. Depends if at that point he just cuts his losses and does one. It doesn't, he can leave anytime he wants, he'd find a buyer now if he sold at the right price and right now that price would be much higher then he'd get after relegation. He'd also be making much more money in the meantime from Premier League TV revenue. The only question that matters here is would losing £70m plus by being relegated somehow earn him much more than that through some kind of weird advertising ploy as you suggested. Think the answer is obviously a big no. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 We had a good core of players the last time we were relegated. Along with the right manager at the right time, we made promotion look easy. I'm not so sure this time. I absolutely don't want this club to go down. Ashley wouldn't drop his asking price by much, we'd still be a very expensive club to buy even I'm the Championship. So likelihood would be we were stuck with him. Much better chance of him finding a buyer in the Prem, a buyer who wants to get the club into the CL and make money that way. Have to agree, I don't see how relegation this time has any positives. Except maybe Pardew going obviously. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Worth remembering when talking about relegation that its not just the loss in TV money. Obviously we'd lose £70-80m and for two seasons parachute payments would cover £15 to £20m(?) of that. But you then have Football league financial fair play, which will fine you £1 for every £1 you lose. We'll obviously be in the red both seasons by £15-£20m, meaning even if we do come back up we then have a £30-£40m fine to pay. I would happily drop out of this league if it meant we would be rid of both Pardew and Ashley and could regain just a little bit of pride So would I, I was talking about what Ashley would lose with regards to this idea that he wouldn't mind relegation. Having said that I don't see a single reason why relegation would get rid of Ashley. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Kint Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Going down. Wish I'd bet on it at 7/1, amazing value that. Down to 3/1 with most places now http://www.oddschecker.com/football/english/premier-league/relegation Can still get 12/1 for us to finish bottom Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Talksport reporting he'll be in charge beyond the Swansea game what ever happens Fuck this Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc4eva Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Worth remembering when talking about relegation that its not just the loss in TV money. Obviously we'd lose £70-80m and for two seasons parachute payments would cover £15 to £20m(?) of that. But you then have Football league financial fair play, which will fine you £1 for every £1 you lose. We'll obviously be in the red both seasons by £15-£20m, meaning even if we do come back up we then have a £30-£40m fine to pay. I would happily drop out of this league if it meant we would be rid of both Pardew and Ashley and could regain just a little bit of pride So would I, I was talking about what Ashley would lose with regards to this idea that he wouldn't mind relegation. Having said that I don't see a single reason why relegation would get rid of Ashley. Potentially it wouldn't and you are right he wouldn't want that, I just want a club I can once again feel some pride in no matter which division we are in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ste Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 We had a good core of players the last time we were relegated. Along with the right manager at the right time, we made promotion look easy. I'm not so sure this time. I absolutely don't want this club to go down. Ashley wouldn't drop his asking price by much, we'd still be a very expensive club to buy even I'm the Championship. So likelihood would be we were stuck with him. Much better chance of him finding a buyer in the Prem, a buyer who wants to get the club into the CL and make money that way. Have to agree, I don't see how relegation this time has any positives. Except maybe Pardew going obviously. Folk can throw the word around like its no big deal, but relegation can be absolutely devastating to a football club. I don't want to chance that at all. I enjoyed our season in the Championship, mainly because we won most games, but the thought of spending anymore than a season down there is absolutely depressing. Imagine being one of the also rans year after year. Spending so much time in the Championship that even being a Villa or a Stoke would be an attractive proposition. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 We had a good core of players the last time we were relegated. Along with the right manager at the right time, we made promotion look easy. I'm not so sure this time. I absolutely don't want this club to go down. Ashley wouldn't drop his asking price by much, we'd still be a very expensive club to buy even I'm the Championship. So likelihood would be we were stuck with him. Much better chance of him finding a buyer in the Prem, a buyer who wants to get the club into the CL and make money that way. Have to agree, I don't see how relegation this time has any positives. Except maybe Pardew going obviously. Folk can throw the word around like its no big deal, but relegation can be absolutely devastating to a football club. I don't want to chance that at all. I enjoyed our season in the Championship, mainly because we won most games, but the thought of spending anymore than a season down there is absolutely depressing. Imagine being one of the also rans year after year. Spending so much time in the Championship that even being a Villa or a Stoke would be an attractive proposition. Yeah, relegation is awful. I didn't enjoy the Championship at all, although it was probably a good way to get rid of all the baggage we were carrying. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newcastle Fan Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 This is insane Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Rob Lee on talksport now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ste Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 We had a good core of players the last time we were relegated. Along with the right manager at the right time, we made promotion look easy. I'm not so sure this time. I absolutely don't want this club to go down. Ashley wouldn't drop his asking price by much, we'd still be a very expensive club to buy even I'm the Championship. So likelihood would be we were stuck with him. Much better chance of him finding a buyer in the Prem, a buyer who wants to get the club into the CL and make money that way. Have to agree, I don't see how relegation this time has any positives. Except maybe Pardew going obviously. Folk can throw the word around like its no big deal, but relegation can be absolutely devastating to a football club. I don't want to chance that at all. I enjoyed our season in the Championship, mainly because we won most games, but the thought of spending anymore than a season down there is absolutely depressing. Imagine being one of the also rans year after year. Spending so much time in the Championship that even being a Villa or a Stoke would be an attractive proposition. Yeah, relegation is awful. I didn't enjoy the Championship at all, although it was probably a good way to get rid of all the baggage we were carrying. Going into that season after that Orient game in particular, it was terrifying. Another relegation looked more likely than a promotion at that stage. I think that gets forgotten, just how dark things looked for a spell before the points started rolling in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 We had a good core of players the last time we were relegated. Along with the right manager at the right time, we made promotion look easy. I'm not so sure this time. I absolutely don't want this club to go down. Ashley wouldn't drop his asking price by much, we'd still be a very expensive club to buy even I'm the Championship. So likelihood would be we were stuck with him. Much better chance of him finding a buyer in the Prem, a buyer who wants to get the club into the CL and make money that way. Have to agree, I don't see how relegation this time has any positives. Except maybe Pardew going obviously. Folk can throw the word around like its no big deal, but relegation can be absolutely devastating to a football club. I don't want to chance that at all. I enjoyed our season in the Championship, mainly because we won most games, but the thought of spending anymore than a season down there is absolutely depressing. Imagine being one of the also rans year after year. Spending so much time in the Championship that even being a Villa or a Stoke would be an attractive proposition. What's the difference between that and what we're doing now? (Other than the money, which we don't spend) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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