Rémi Garde and the case of the missing art galleries

[KaKa]

Even if the new Head Coach comes in and immediately improves the first team in a Koeman-esque run, why would they stay at NUFC when they will have offers from other clubs almost immediately?

 

They would move everytime so that they can buy their own players............

 

By the very definition of having key decisions taken out of his hands, the head coach is a yes man.

 

He's basically putting himself out there to be rimmed like f***.

 

Jesus ...

 

So we're preparing to be depressed even if we do land someone good.

 

Man, even I can't sign up for that.

 

I think your logic is completely wrong by the way. The manager will be involved in the identifying of players, but other factors will be taken into account, Ultimately he will get the type he wants, if not necessarily the very individual he might always prefer.

 

The structure isn't only suitable for yes men as you imply. You're just wrong. Getting to buy your own players isn't the be all and end all like people in this country feel it is.

 

It's not like we buy rubbish players either. It's the one thing we currently do well. If Pardew wasn't such an asshole Yanga-Mbiwa, Marveaux and Ben-Arfa would all still be here, and how much better would the squad look for it?

 

We just need a manager that can appreciate and use the types of players we are bringing  in. I imagine a lot of managers would actually look at the players we sign and would think they could definitely work with that quality.

 

I do not agree at all that if the right man who is comfortable with the setup and the quality of players we get comes in, he will be looking to run off to any other situation where he can buy his players. Rubbish.

[TRon]

Having read the full statement, it appears that we are quite prepared to wait until the summer, supposedly to get the right man in as their might be better options then. That would raise the danger that Carver could get the job if he flukes a few wins, but Charnley has been quite specific that they are looking for a well qualified coach who has a record of implementing  a style and ethos throughout all levels of the playing staff, so that would surely rule Carver out.

[KaKa]

There isn't a chance in hell Carver gets the job, or they wouldn't have dared gone into as much detail as they did in describing the type of man they want.

 

Honestly, this is a big moment. If they do hire someone on the level of a Carver after what they described yesterday, then everyone has to boycott the club. The stadium should be empty every weekend.

 

Let's see what happens.

[TRon]

Even if the new Head Coach comes in and immediately improves the first team in a Koeman-esque run, why would they stay at NUFC when they will have offers from other clubs almost immediately?

 

They would move everytime so that they can buy their own players............

 

By the very definition of having key decisions taken out of his hands, the head coach is a yes man.

 

He's basically putting himself out there to be rimmed like f***.

 

Jesus ...

 

So we're preparing to be depressed even if we do land someone good.

 

Man, even I can't sign up for that.

 

I think your logic is completely wrong by the way. The manager will be involved in the identifying of players, but other factors will be taken into account, Ultimately he will get the type he wants, if not necessarily the very individual he might always prefer.

 

The structure isn't only suitable for yes men as you imply. You're just wrong. Getting to buy your own players isn't the be all and end all like people in this country feel it is.

 

It's not like we buy rubbish players either. It's the one thing we currently do well. If Pardew wasn't such an asshole Yanga-Mbiwa, Marveaux and Ben-Arfa would all still be here, and how much better would the squad look for it?

 

We just need a manager that can appreciate and use the types of players we are bringing  in. I imagine a lot of managers would actually look at the players we sign and would think they could definitely work with that quality.

 

I do not agree at all that if the right man who is comfortable with the setup and the quality of players we get comes in, he will be looking to run off to any other situation where he can buy his players. Rubbish.

 

Agree with Kaka here, in Europe most coaches work under very similar constraints. Also Charnley has said the manager does have input into the players we buy, just not the final say. With Pardew you can understand why that restriction was in place otherwise we'd have Gary Bent cooling his heels here by now.

[mrmojorisin75]

The bit where he says we will know more about where we stand by the end of the week suggests to me that there is something in the rumours of Garde deciding if he's coming now and waiting until the summer to bring the rest of his staff in or just waiting until the end of the season.

Could be something in that actually, perhaps they've made an offer to someone and E having to wait for an answer by the end of the week. Unlikely mind.

[Varadi]

Carver is now favourite again, based no doubt on Charnley's latest comments:

 

http://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/newcastle/next-permanent-manager

 

They'll be desperate for him to win a few games so they can just give it to him full time.

[TRon]

Carver is now favourite again, based no doubt on Charnley's latest comments:

 

http://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/newcastle/next-permanent-manager

 

They'll be desperate for him to win a few games so they can just give it to him full time.

 

Honestly, having read that interview it doesn't sound like they want to give it to him particularly. He just doesn't fit the criteria they described as far as qualifications go.

[Guest TruToon94]

To be honest I don't really want managers buying players... Seriously considering how much time they should really be spending on tactics and training then you get situations like Souness signing players based on videotapes and the like. Unless you're Jose Mourinhino or the like, managers make a lot of pish signings.

 

To be honest the one ray of hope is Carr in all this as IMHO he's a top quality scout who I'd much rather have in charge of choosing players. His track record since he's been here is nothing short of amazing and the best I've seen in my lifetime since Keegan to be honest. If he's having a say in choosing the manager that can only be a good thing. All signs point to Carver being a temp until the summer at best which in that case I think might be hinting at one of expiring contract managers coming in which I'd take. Pardew was rock bottom, it can't get any worse in any way when it comes to managers.

 

Carr provided a manager with a competivie and potential top six squad and that t*** though that Williamson and Obertan were better than MYM and Ben Arfa. I think a decent manager will certainly vindicate the way we buy players.

[Guest Roger Kint]

Carver is now favourite again, based no doubt on Charnley's latest comments:

 

http://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/newcastle/next-permanent-manager

 

They'll be desperate for him to win a few games so they can just give it to him full time.

 

Unless they are betting with firms paying out on a caretaker then its simply morons throwing money away that has the odds dropping. The idea that Carver would be fulltime coach is clearly laughable

[Minhosa]

Even if the new Head Coach comes in and immediately improves the first team in a Koeman-esque run, why would they stay at NUFC when they will have offers from other clubs almost immediately?

 

They would move everytime so that they can buy their own players............

 

By the very definition of having key decisions taken out of his hands, the head coach is a yes man.

 

He's basically putting himself out there to be rimmed like f***.

 

WAT.

 

Koeman has the exact same "constraints" as any incoming head coach would do as did Pochettino did before him, the only difference being as they actually are good coaches so they were able to develop the players they had.

 

This may be foreign to you but not every manager is Redknapp, for example Ancelotti has very little say at Madrid.

 

Koeman has very obviously told Saints who to sign. He's worked with some of them before or knows them from Holland. Elia being the example.

 

He's told them and they've supported him by buying who he wants. As a result it'd be safe to assume he's got a degree of comfort that his opinion is valued and he's got an influence on personnel.

 

Our new patsy will be told who he's having. In the same way Pardew was.

 

There is a fundamental difference.

 

And, imho, they're a 'Yes Man' because they don't have the freedom/empowerment to decide what they need and to make it happen.

 

I don't think for a minute that happens at every Premiership club regardless of what our fucknuggets would like you to believe.

 

Did you think Poyet didn't want/choose Defoe, Redknapp doesn't choose his has-beens like he's done at every club, Allardyce doesn't pick big lumps to play up front like he has done at every club?

 

These managers decide what they want and the club make it happen.

 

We tell a 'Coach' what he needs and then tell him who he's having.

 

It's a glorified bibs and cones job.

 

Might as well give it Terry MacDermott to keep the boys entertained whilst the suits do the important jobs.

[KaKa]

To be honest I don't really want managers buying players... Seriously considering how much time they should really be spending on tactics and training then you get situations like Souness signing players based on videotapes and the like. Unless you're Jose Mourinhino or the like, managers make a lot of pish signings.

 

To be honest the one ray of hope is Carr in all this as IMHO he's a top quality scout who I'd much rather have in charge of choosing players. His track record since he's been here is nothing short of amazing and the best I've seen in my lifetime since Keegan to be honest. If he's having a say in choosing the manager that can only be a good thing. All signs point to Carver being a temp until the summer at best which in that case I think might be hinting at one of expiring contract managers coming in which I'd take. Pardew was rock bottom, it can't get any worse in any way when it comes to managers.

 

Carr provided a manager with a competivie and potential top six squad and that t*** though that Williamson and Obertan were better than MYM and Ben Arfa. I think a decent manager will certainly vindicate the way we buy players.

 

Exactly. The key to yesterday's statement was the confirmation of Carr's major involvement.

 

The guy has managed to get in quality players despite Ashley's cheapness and in spite of Pardew moaning on about prem experienced has beens.

 

Carr is someone I do trust in all of this. Having watched Pardew waste a lot of his hardwork, I just can't imagine him signing off on a rubbish manager.

 

If he's taken the signing of players so seriously, how could he possibly accept it? There's hope I think.

[Minhosa]

To be honest I don't really want managers buying players... Seriously considering how much time they should really be spending on tactics and training then you get situations like Souness signing players based on videotapes and the like. Unless you're Jose Mourinhino or the like, managers make a lot of pish signings.

 

To be honest the one ray of hope is Carr in all this as IMHO he's a top quality scout who I'd much rather have in charge of choosing players. His track record since he's been here is nothing short of amazing and the best I've seen in my lifetime since Keegan to be honest. If he's having a say in choosing the manager that can only be a good thing. All signs point to Carver being a temp until the summer at best which in that case I think might be hinting at one of expiring contract managers coming in which I'd take. Pardew was rock bottom, it can't get any worse in any way when it comes to managers.

 

Carr provided a manager with a competivie and potential top six squad and that t*** though that Williamson and Obertan were better than MYM and Ben Arfa. I think a decent manager will certainly vindicate the way we buy players.

 

Pinning your hopes on a 70 year old bloke, what could go wrong?

 

The systemic advantage of having the suits make the signings only works when you have a succession plan for the plum sticking the cones out. They've admitted they didn't have that.

[Minhosa]

Even if the new Head Coach comes in and immediately improves the first team in a Koeman-esque run, why would they stay at NUFC when they will have offers from other clubs almost immediately?

 

They would move everytime so that they can buy their own players............

 

By the very definition of having key decisions taken out of his hands, the head coach is a yes man.

 

He's basically putting himself out there to be rimmed like f***.

 

WAT.

 

Koeman has the exact same "constraints" as any incoming head coach would do as did Pochettino did before him, the only difference being as they actually are good coaches so they were able to develop the players they had.

 

This may be foreign to you but not every manager is Redknapp, for example Ancelotti has very little say at Madrid.

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2915933/Ronald-Koeman-s-smart-Southampton-signings-help-Saints-fly-says-Jose-Fonte.html

 

Are you suggesting Koeman didn't have a huge influence in many of these signings?

[Guest TruToon94]

To be honest I don't really want managers buying players... Seriously considering how much time they should really be spending on tactics and training then you get situations like Souness signing players based on videotapes and the like. Unless you're Jose Mourinhino or the like, managers make a lot of pish signings.

 

To be honest the one ray of hope is Carr in all this as IMHO he's a top quality scout who I'd much rather have in charge of choosing players. His track record since he's been here is nothing short of amazing and the best I've seen in my lifetime since Keegan to be honest. If he's having a say in choosing the manager that can only be a good thing. All signs point to Carver being a temp until the summer at best which in that case I think might be hinting at one of expiring contract managers coming in which I'd take. Pardew was rock bottom, it can't get any worse in any way when it comes to managers.

 

Carr provided a manager with a competivie and potential top six squad and that t*** though that Williamson and Obertan were better than MYM and Ben Arfa. I think a decent manager will certainly vindicate the way we buy players.

 

Pinning your hopes on a 70 year old bloke, what could go wrong?

 

The systemic advantage of having the suits make the signings only works when you have a succession plan for the plum sticking the cones out. They've admitted they didn't have that.

 

The same 70 year old that brought some of the best player we've had in the millennium.... I'll trust him in a heartbeat, his record speaks for itself.

[KaKa]

In response to Minhosa, so with the club having made it clear they will look for someone who is in line with Carr's thinking why do you not think the person would be happy with the players coming in?

 

Please don't ever mention Pardew having to make do with what he was given. He was over ruled because he was a fucking dunce. He wanted to sign Darren Bent, Sidwell and would have happily given Shola a new deal. They over ruled Pardew because he was an idiot.

 

If we had Koeman, I'm sure he would have been able to identify players alongside Carr who he liked, and who fit into our so called constraints. Why? because he isn't hung up on prem experienced try hards that simply tow the line and are grateful to be there.

[Teasy]

Even if the new Head Coach comes in and immediately improves the first team in a Koeman-esque run, why would they stay at NUFC when they will have offers from other clubs almost immediately?

 

They would move everytime so that they can buy their own players............

 

By the very definition of having key decisions taken out of his hands, the head coach is a yes man.

 

He's basically putting himself out there to be rimmed like f***.

 

WAT.

 

Koeman has the exact same "constraints" as any incoming head coach would do as did Pochettino did before him, the only difference being as they actually are good coaches so they were able to develop the players they had.

 

This may be foreign to you but not every manager is Redknapp, for example Ancelotti has very little say at Madrid.

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2915933/Ronald-Koeman-s-smart-Southampton-signings-help-Saints-fly-says-Jose-Fonte.html

 

Are you suggesting Koeman didn't have a huge influence in many of these signings?

 

How many articles talk about Pardews astute signings, you know Perez, Janmaat ect..  I'm sure Koeman had a say, the new man here is supposed to have a say as well, but he won't make the final decision.

[Minhosa]

To be honest I don't really want managers buying players... Seriously considering how much time they should really be spending on tactics and training then you get situations like Souness signing players based on videotapes and the like. Unless you're Jose Mourinhino or the like, managers make a lot of pish signings.

 

To be honest the one ray of hope is Carr in all this as IMHO he's a top quality scout who I'd much rather have in charge of choosing players. His track record since he's been here is nothing short of amazing and the best I've seen in my lifetime since Keegan to be honest. If he's having a say in choosing the manager that can only be a good thing. All signs point to Carver being a temp until the summer at best which in that case I think might be hinting at one of expiring contract managers coming in which I'd take. Pardew was rock bottom, it can't get any worse in any way when it comes to managers.

 

Carr provided a manager with a competivie and potential top six squad and that t*** though that Williamson and Obertan were better than MYM and Ben Arfa. I think a decent manager will certainly vindicate the way we buy players.

 

Pinning your hopes on a 70 year old bloke, what could go wrong?

 

The systemic advantage of having the suits make the signings only works when you have a succession plan for the plum sticking the cones out. They've admitted they didn't have that.

 

The same 70 year old that brought some of the best player we've had in the millennium.... I'll trust him in a heartbeat, his record speaks for itself.

 

The same bloke who won't be able to brush his own teeth if a few fucking years.

 

It's not a question of trust man.

[Teasy]

Of course, everyone gets dementia or dies the moment they pass 70

[Guest TruToon94]

In response to Minhosa, so with the club having made it clear they will look for someone who is in line with Carr's thinking why do you not think the person would be happy with the players coming in?

 

Please don't ever mention Pardew having to make do with what he was given. He was over ruled because he was a f***ing dunce. He wanted to sign Darren Bent, Sidwell and would have happily given Shola a new deal. They over ruled Pardew because he was an idiot.

 

If we had Koeman, I'm sure he would have been able to identify players alongside Carr who he liked, and who fit into our so called constraints. Why? because he isn't hung up on prem experienced try hards that simply tow the line and are grateful to be there.

 

Thank you! Exactly what I think when people say Pardew didn't have a say in transfers. Thank God too because he's absolutely rubbish when it comes to signing players. The man was given Tevez and Maschereno and Ben Arfa and thinks Zamora, Mullins and Goufran were better.

 

If he'd had the final say we'd have been relegated. Only the quality of the squad kept us up.

[Minhosa]

In response to Minhosa, so with the club having made it clear they will look for someone who is in line with Carr's thinking why do you not think the person would be happy with the players coming in?

 

Please don't ever mention Pardew having to make do with what he was given. He was over ruled because he was a fucking dunce. He wanted to sign Darren Bent, Sidwell and would have happily given Shola a new deal. They over ruled Pardew because he was an idiot.

 

If we had Koeman, I'm sure he would have been able to identify players alongside Carr who he liked, and who fit into our so called constraints. Why? because he isn't hung up on prem experienced try hards that simply tow the line and are grateful to be there.

 

They overruled Pardew because his players wouldn't appreciate in value.

 

My point is that, of the 3 cogs in the transfer wheel, the coach is the smallest and least influential.

 

1. Will the signing be cheap/damaged goods.......or have potential for huge upside?

2. Does he tick the box age-wise?

 

There will be no question of do we need him (Colback/Gosling etc) nor whether the coach actually see's a use for him.

 

If the kid can play and have the chance to make the club money, then he'll fucking play, whether the coach likes it or not.

[Guest TruToon94]

To be honest I don't really want managers buying players... Seriously considering how much time they should really be spending on tactics and training then you get situations like Souness signing players based on videotapes and the like. Unless you're Jose Mourinhino or the like, managers make a lot of pish signings.

 

To be honest the one ray of hope is Carr in all this as IMHO he's a top quality scout who I'd much rather have in charge of choosing players. His track record since he's been here is nothing short of amazing and the best I've seen in my lifetime since Keegan to be honest. If he's having a say in choosing the manager that can only be a good thing. All signs point to Carver being a temp until the summer at best which in that case I think might be hinting at one of expiring contract managers coming in which I'd take. Pardew was rock bottom, it can't get any worse in any way when it comes to managers.

 

Carr provided a manager with a competivie and potential top six squad and that t*** though that Williamson and Obertan were better than MYM and Ben Arfa. I think a decent manager will certainly vindicate the way we buy players.

 

Pinning your hopes on a 70 year old bloke, what could go wrong?

 

The systemic advantage of having the suits make the signings only works when you have a succession plan for the plum sticking the cones out. They've admitted they didn't have that.

 

The same 70 year old that brought some of the best player we've had in the millennium.... I'll trust him in a heartbeat, his record speaks for itself.

 

The same bloke who won't be able to brush his own teeth if a few f***ing years.

 

It's not a question of trust man.

 

 

Yeah you're right let's get Wise back in then.

[KaKa]

God help us! 

 

We are so damaged, we are now worrying about Carr's dementia as a possible reason to perhaps ostracise him?!

 

Even though he is the only one delivering at this club?

 

This is really unfortunate man.

[The College Dropout]

He wouldn't have signed without a clause allowing another big move IMO.

Not trying is the bigger problem. No intention of keeping our best players. Cabaye was half-way through a 5-year deal, not a single article about trying to get him to sign a new contract. Same with HBA when he had a couple years left on his contract.

[Minhosa]

To be honest I don't really want managers buying players... Seriously considering how much time they should really be spending on tactics and training then you get situations like Souness signing players based on videotapes and the like. Unless you're Jose Mourinhino or the like, managers make a lot of pish signings.

 

To be honest the one ray of hope is Carr in all this as IMHO he's a top quality scout who I'd much rather have in charge of choosing players. His track record since he's been here is nothing short of amazing and the best I've seen in my lifetime since Keegan to be honest. If he's having a say in choosing the manager that can only be a good thing. All signs point to Carver being a temp until the summer at best which in that case I think might be hinting at one of expiring contract managers coming in which I'd take. Pardew was rock bottom, it can't get any worse in any way when it comes to managers.

 

Carr provided a manager with a competivie and potential top six squad and that t*** though that Williamson and Obertan were better than MYM and Ben Arfa. I think a decent manager will certainly vindicate the way we buy players.

 

Pinning your hopes on a 70 year old bloke, what could go wrong?

 

The systemic advantage of having the suits make the signings only works when you have a succession plan for the plum sticking the cones out. They've admitted they didn't have that.

 

The same 70 year old that brought some of the best player we've had in the millennium.... I'll trust him in a heartbeat, his record speaks for itself.

 

The same bloke who won't be able to brush his own teeth if a few f***ing years.

 

It's not a question of trust man.

 

 

Yeah you're right let's get Wise back in then.

 

Yeah. Because that's what I inferred.

[Teasy]

In response to Minhosa, so with the club having made it clear they will look for someone who is in line with Carr's thinking why do you not think the person would be happy with the players coming in?

 

Please don't ever mention Pardew having to make do with what he was given. He was over ruled because he was a fucking dunce. He wanted to sign Darren Bent, Sidwell and would have happily given Shola a new deal. They over ruled Pardew because he was an idiot.

 

If we had Koeman, I'm sure he would have been able to identify players alongside Carr who he liked, and who fit into our so called constraints. Why? because he isn't hung up on prem experienced try hards that simply tow the line and are grateful to be there.

 

They overruled Pardew because his players wouldn't appreciate in value.

 

My point is that, of the 3 cogs in the transfer wheel, the coach is the smallest and least influential.

 

1. Will the signing be cheap/damaged goods.......or have potential for huge upside?

2. Does he tick the box age-wise?

 

There will be no question of do we need him (Colback/Gosling etc) nor whether the coach actually see's a use for him.

 

If the kid can play and have the chance to make the club money, then he'll fucking play, whether the coach likes it or not.

 

Pardews suggested signings had no value to begin with, neither financially or as players.  Are you actually saying we should have signed Bent, Sidwell ect?

 

Also your last sentence is quite clearly rubbish.  How many of our new players did Pardew sit on the bench/ruin?, he was never forced to field any player we signed.  If bringing in a head coach that agrees with/appreciates the kind of player we sign and plays them makes him a yes man then give me a yes man please..