David Edgar Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 5 at the back, 2 DMs for life eh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 We'd rather lose 4-3 then win 1-0 and all that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillingtonMag Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 6 minutes ago, The Prophet said: We'd rather lose 4-3 then win 1-0 and all that. We didn't win we 1-0 though due to our negativity Italy equalised then beat us on pens when we could have killed the game off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Edgar Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 8 minutes ago, The Prophet said: We'd rather lose 4-3 then win 1-0 and all that. Straw men in defence here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xLiaaamx Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 1 hour ago, Hanshithispantz said: Southgate can be frustrating as fuck on a matchday but he (and obviously the other staff) have pulled together the most harmonious England squad we've probably ever had There's a massive risk that we sack him and the whole thing falls apart. Unless it was like Graham Potter I cannot think of any definite imrovements who could carry on what Southgate has done? I know someone who would be mint but it would leave us out of a Manager and Club over Country everyday for me. It's why I'm perfectly happy for Southgate to keep plodding on. I don't want to lose Eddie. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazza ladra Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 1 hour ago, Billy Warthog said: We were at least competitive in the Euros, and the World Cup before that. That's not something I've seen since 1996. It may be that we're not quite there yet, but I can't go along with just getting rid of him. I think he's earned the right to have a go at the next World Cup. I can't say I'm really bothered about the Nations League... just not massively invested in it. I'm more interested in the Solihull v Grimsby play-off final! Well, it helps when all your games are played at home doesn’t it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 6 minutes ago, David Edgar said: Straw men in defence here. I've tried offering rationale responses, but apparently a Euro Cup final and a World Cup semi-final aren't good enough for some fans. I agree his football is quite negative, but it works. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaqen Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 Southgate has done a really good job off the pitch, don't think anyone can deny that. He's been extremely fortunate that we've had about as easy tournament paths as you could wish for in the World Cup and Euro's though. It's hard to knock a final and semi final back to back but they do feel like massive wasted opportunities at the same time. I think it's the manner of those exits that are most frustrating, just so negative and scared in the approach. Continuing to see boring negative lineups so close before the World Cup doesn't fill you with confidence we'll be trying a different approach this time around. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 I think he likes the Phillips-Rice partnership because it protects a really suspect back four. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Edgar Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 4 minutes ago, The Prophet said: I've tried offering rationale responses, but apparently a Euro Cup final and a World Cup semi-final aren't good enough for some fans. I agree his football is quite negative, but it works. Think it is a bit like XG and the eye test. He got to the semi and final, but you could see that the team wasn't being maximised. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillingtonMag Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, The Prophet said: I've tried offering rationale responses, but apparently a Euro Cup final and a World Cup semi-final aren't good enough for some fans. I agree his football is quite negative, but it works. You have to consider the teams that put us out and the manner of our exits though. Wasn't even a great Italian side they haven't even qualified for the world cup, we were more than capable of beating them and the game was there for the taking. Edited June 5, 2022 by WillingtonMag Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTT II Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 41 minutes ago, WillingtonMag said: It isn't from one defeat at all you maniac ?. It's mainly down to his negative style of play since he took the job and his poor in game management in big games. The maniacs are the ones calling for his head, the same mindset that would want KK sacked for finishing 2nd and not 1st. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 Just now, WillingtonMag said: You have to consider to teams that put us out and the manner of our exits though. Wasn't even a great Italian side they haven't even qualified for the world cup, we were more than capable of beating them and the game was there for the taking. I don't disagree that he's tactically limited. The Euro final saw the best and the worst of him. His set up to suprise Italy and they looked absolutely rattled for 20-25 minutes, but we didn't kill the game. Then Mancini tweaks Italy, to give them an extra body in the middle of the park and he didn't have an answer. That said, the fact we got to the final seems to be totally overlooked. It's so something that so many before him haven't managed, with far better squads. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillingtonMag Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 7 minutes ago, HTT II said: The maniacs are the ones calling for his head, the same mindset that would want KK sacked for finishing 2nd and not 1st. Would you be happy with Southgate at Newcastle If Howe wasn't here? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 22 minutes ago, xLiaaamx said: I know someone who would be mint but it would leave us out of a Manager and Club over Country everyday for me. It's why I'm perfectly happy for Southgate to keep plodding on. I don't want to lose Eddie. Howe wouldn't give up the Newcastle job for England at this stage though, I think Potter should be at a club like Arsenal but if someone like them aren't available for him I would imagine it wold be pretty tempting. We would have to have a poor WC to consider it though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillingtonMag Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 Just now, Hanshithispantz said: Howe wouldn't give up the Newcastle job for England at this stage though, I think Potter should be at a club like Arsenal but if someone like them aren't available for him I would imagine it wold be pretty tempting. We would have to have a poor WC to consider it though. I'm not so sure mind think it's possible he would take it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 3 minutes ago, WillingtonMag said: Would you be happy with Southgate at Newcastle If Howe wasn't here? But no manager of Howe's ability and suitability are going to be interested in the England job. Like I said maybe Potter if he's still milling about around 10th with Brighton a year from now? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 2 minutes ago, WillingtonMag said: I'm not so sure mind think it's possible he would take it. Not a chance Howe would leave one of the most exciting gigs in football for an international job like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillingtonMag Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 Just now, Hanshithispantz said: Not a chance Howe would leave one of the most exciting gigs in football for an international job like. Sure I've heard him asked in an interview mind and his answer wasn't very reassuring. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillingtonMag Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 4 minutes ago, Hanshithispantz said: Not a chance Howe would leave one of the most exciting gigs in football for an international job like. Just seen one where he's asked and he said the England job is the ultimate job but doesn't think he'd be able to turn his back on Bournemouth so hopefully you're right and that would be the same here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 (edited) I know I said the World Cup 2018 squad was shit at the time and said we'd get slaughtered. But we got to a world cup semi final and a European final, so they must be the best English players since 66. Ferdinand, Terry, Scholes, Lampard or Gerrard, and Rooney couldn't hack it against Romania, the Yanks, Algeria, the Germans, and Iceland, but Maguire, Stones, Rice, and Phillips did so are better! Southgate did fuck all but hold them back with his negative shit. We only played easy teams in 2018 btw! The good ones we beat had nothing to do with Southgate, it was the players and home advantage and luck I know easy teams beat hard teams at tournaments but we could have done better and would have won the Euros with a better manager. Ask anyone outside of the Southgate wank along on here and they'll tell you all that togetherness, team bonding, restored pride bollocks had nowt to do with him. It's just bullshit spread by his mates the guardian and Gary Lineker Edited June 5, 2022 by Kid Icarus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTT II Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 27 minutes ago, WillingtonMag said: Would you be happy with Southgate at Newcastle If Howe wasn't here? No, but for me he’s not a club manager, he’s an international manager. Having said that give him Harry Kane up front and the players he has for England… Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 2 hours ago, Unbelievable said: Again, I don’t think that’s accurate. I loved the first edition and how we reached the final beating Germany, France and England along the way. I think this type of disdain is similar to what we always get for the Europa League or the new Conference League. Yes, they’re not CL, but again I can tell from experience of people around me that e.g. Feyenoord reaching the Conference League final was great for them. I’d liken it to us winning the 1969 Fairs Cup. That too may have been a bit second rate as a competition, but if you’re competing in it and winning it, it still massively beats pre-season friendlies and that’s the same for the National League. Hell, I even celebrated when we won the Intertoto in 2006 I mean we could argue for ages, and I here you, but I don't agree. In a way you are right, the Conference League etc is very good for smaller clubs, the same way the Nations League is good for smaller nations. However, your example forgets the fact that Liverpool, Real etc aren't playing the CL, Europa League and Conference League. If they were, no one would care about the Europa League or Conference League. This is evident by the fact that many teams are treating it like friendlies with their line-ups. Trying new formations and new players as preparation for the World Cup. I mean, it's like saying Messi winning the Finalissima is a major international trophy for him. It's not. I promise you, ask any European country if they'd switch qualifying for a major international tournament for winning the Nations League. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JumpersForGoalposts Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 50 minutes ago, WillingtonMag said: Would you be happy with Southgate at Newcastle If Howe wasn't here? I'd be devastated about that. There's a massive gulf between club and international currently and Southgate is a proven failure at club level. Yes, he'd wear a nice suit and say nice things, but I wouldn't want to see a harmonious squad of shite players relegated whilst playing heartless, boring, naive football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 42 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said: I know I said the World Cup 2018 squad was shit at the time and said we'd get slaughtered. But we got to a world cup semi final and a European final, so they must be the best English players since 66. Ferdinand, Terry, Scholes, Lampard or Gerrard, and Rooney couldn't hack it against Romania, the Yanks, Algeria, the Germans, and Iceland, but Maguire, Stones, Rice, and Phillips did so are better! Southgate did fuck all but hold them back with his negative shit. We only played easy teams in 2018 btw! The good ones we beat had nothing to do with Southgate, it was the players and home advantage and luck I know easy teams beat hard teams at tournaments but we could have done better and would have won the Euros with a better manager. Ask anyone outside of the Southgate wank along on here and they'll tell you all that togetherness, team bonding, restored pride bollocks had nowt to do with him. It's just bullshit spread by his mates the guardian and Gary Lineker I'd agree here in many ways. We discussed Martinez wasting talents yesterday, but I feel like Southgate should receive far more criticism than Martinez in regards to that. England had the golden chance to reach a World Cup final and then lost to a rather average Croatia side (evident by the French demolishing them). I doubt many top nations has had an easier way to a World Cup final than England had in 2018. That being said, England have a good enough squad to win it all this year and national team managers aren't as important as in club football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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