Jonjo Shelvey (now playing for Burnley)

[Hanshithispantz]

The Wolves players are so desperate to get Jonjo banned that they gave 3 contradictory statements?

 

If what the Guardian reports is true and the FA have banned him on the back of that then it's obviously ridiculous.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Have the FA been convicted of being racist?

[Altamullan]

'... the three Wolves players called as witnesses gave slightly varying accounts of the alleged insult, with one claiming Shelvey had called Saïss “a smelly Arab”. Another ... claimed he heard the word Arab attached to a different insult while the third [said] he used the word “Moroccan” in a derogatory context...

 

[shelvey] continues to maintain his innocence and is adamant he did not use the words in question. It also appears the midfielder was taunted about his baldness before the incident but claims he did not rise to the bait.'

 

Regardless of burden of proof, no wonder the lawyers want to contest the decision.

 

I don't know that using a mackem's unnamed source is any better than perpetuating the "cous cous nonce" line tbh. How about we wait for the FA report, eh?

 

Who are you calling a makem? You marmite munching galah! (Whoops, evidently risking a ban now... despite the worst provocation  )

[MSC26]

I think the problem is that if the FA don't charge him, someone would construe that as "they don't take racism seriously". It opens a whole can of worms, as players would be "too scared to report racism as they fear nothing will done" etc.

 

If someone calls racism, the FA will charge and ban you. Otherwise some goody two shoes will say they are condoning it.

[merlin]

The FA, like many UK institutions, are so politically correct that they are ridiculous - they are not a credible outfit in many ways and this verdict is little surprise.

 

Look at how soldiers are being hounded by Ambulance chasers years after the events they were involved in took place...the FA are the same as the legal profession.

[Guest reefatoon]

I can totally understand him appealing of he didn't say it. The last thing you want hanging around your neck is being wrongly accused as a racist. In no way should the FA ban him if they are not 100% sure what happened/was said. You can't go around calling people racists without being 100% sure.

[Raconteur]

'... the three Wolves players called as witnesses gave slightly varying accounts of the alleged insult, with one claiming Shelvey had called Saïss “a smelly Arab”. Another ... claimed he heard the word Arab attached to a different insult while the third [said] he used the word “Moroccan” in a derogatory context...

 

[shelvey] continues to maintain his innocence and is adamant he did not use the words in question. It also appears the midfielder was taunted about his baldness before the incident but claims he did not rise to the bait.'

 

Regardless of burden of proof, no wonder the lawyers want to contest the decision.

 

I don't know that using a mackem's unnamed source is any better than perpetuating the "cous cous nonce" line tbh. How about we wait for the FA report, eh?

 

Who are you calling a makem? You marmite munching galah! (Whoops, evidently risking a ban now... despite the worst provocation  )

 

The quote came from Louise Taylor's article, you fucking goon. You know, the notorious Geordie-baiting mackem that writes from the Guardian, whose story includes the quote I referenced?

[Altamullan]

Ranconteur, your reference escaped me. I can only apologise and book myself straight onto next FA 'thinking skills' course. [walks away, muttering something barely intelligible... But probably worthy of sanction anyway].

[TRon]

Need to start thinking about who will replace him for the games he is missing. Arguing the toss over what he might have said is pointless now.

[Tubestationatmidnight]

I can totally understand him appealing of he didn't say it. The last thing you want hanging around your neck is being wrongly accused as a racist. In no way should the FA ban him if they are not 100% sure what happened/was said. You can't go around calling people racists without being 100% sure.

 

The majority on this board seem happy to do so

[Tubestationatmidnight]

The FA, like many UK institutions, are so politically correct that they are ridiculous - they are not a credible outfit in many ways and this verdict is little surprise.

 

Look at how soldiers are being hounded by Ambulance chasers years after the events they were involved in took place...the FA are the same as the legal profession.

 

Spot on

[Guest firetotheworks]

Btw, 3 witnesses all saying around about the same thing is generally classed as evidence, even if they are reported as being slightly different statements. Someone's lying and whether it's Shelvey or the Wolves players, it's shit.

[Guest firetotheworks]

Give tholdyaz thambulanthez

[madras]

Btw, 3 witnesses all saying around about the same thing is generally classed as evidence, even if they are reported as being slightly different statements. Someone's lying and whether it's Shelvey or the Wolves players, it's s***.

True to a point. However when the actual wording is very important to the case the the possibility they can't agree what the actual wording was could well have a bearing on the outcome.

[bowlingcrofty]

So they've had 3 month to discuss their stories and they still can't agree on what he said...

[Tubestationatmidnight]

So they've had 3 month to discuss their stories and they still can't agree on what he said...

 

Pathetic isn't it

[Shays Given Tim Flowers]

Probably means they didn't discuss their stories.

[Mattoon]

I'd like to think that Shelvey is telling the truth and the fact that three witness statements do not corroborate doesn't seem to add up. However I will reserve judgement until the report is published and we get a clearer picture of what's been said. On a more positive note it seems like Shelvey will be available for the next game and possibly the following game if the appeal is filed.

It's not good if you can fling these allegations around without any ramifications if you're found to be lying, conversely if it is Shelvey that is lying then he deserves all he gets. I'm on the fence for now.

[triggs]

Probably means they didn't discuss their stories.

[steve_69]

Btw, 3 witnesses all saying around about the same thing is generally classed as evidence, even if they are reported as being slightly different statements. Someone's lying and whether it's Shelvey or the Wolves players, it's s***.

 

To be fair, if the Moroccan lad was lying i'm sure he'd accuse Shelvey of saying something less niche than 'couscous nonce'

[Tubestationatmidnight]

If it is smelly Arab that he said then just admit to it. Hardly makes him the next Hitler. His flat out refusal to admit it makes me believe he is "innocent". Our large amount of black and mixed race players don't seem to think he is some sort of neo nazi type

[Tubestationatmidnight]

Btw, 3 witnesses all saying around about the same thing is generally classed as evidence, even if they are reported as being slightly different statements. Someone's lying and whether it's Shelvey or the Wolves players, it's s***.

 

To be fair, if the Moroccan lad was lying i'm sure he'd accuse Shelvey of saying something less niche than 'couscous nonce'

 

He had no idea what was said. It was other wolves players

[Hanshithispantz]

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[Nobody]

'... the three Wolves players called as witnesses gave slightly varying accounts of the alleged insult, with one claiming Shelvey had called Saïss “a smelly Arab”. Another ... claimed he heard the word Arab attached to a different insult while the third [said] he used the word “Moroccan” in a derogatory context...

 

[shelvey] continues to maintain his innocence and is adamant he did not use the words in question. It also appears the midfielder was taunted about his baldness before the incident but claims he did not rise to the bait.'

 

Regardless of burden of proof, no wonder the lawyers want to contest the decision.

 

So if he did actually say something along these lines he just used the country he is from as an insult. Is that any different to " smelly jock" " fat Kraut" etc, would them terms have someone up for racial abuse. If someone called me a smelly English whatever I wouldn't take offence because I don't see being English as a negative thing.

 

It could well be the case that saiss was griefing Shelvey and one little comment back about his nationality and the wolves players have gone complaining about it sensing an opportunity to get him banned, that's how it looks, Saiss apparently  didn't even know what was said or was offended by it. Nor should he be unless he sees his heritage as a negative thing. All just seems a load of PC gone mad and a small time club like wolves after getting Shelvey banned. Hope we appeal. My last word on the matter

That is going well

[AyeDubbleYoo]

I don't get this debate lads. Nobody can say whether or not Shelvey is 'a racist', I don't see anyone on here accusing him of that. And the political correctness thing is also strange to me, it's hardly PC to convict someone without evidence.

 

All the FA decide is whether it's more likely than not that he said these particular words, isn't it? Whether he's a racist or not is beyond the scope of anything like this. Because he plays with people of other races means nothing either way, I'm hoping people know that.

 

Not sure what my point is except that it's pretty difficult to debate this because nobody knows what he said. Seems pointless to use it as a proxy debate for criticising people who are sensitive to racism, or on the other hand to accuse Shelvey of being a racist himself.

 

On the FA conclusion itself, it does seem a bit flimsy. However, if they couldn't convict without complete proof then it would basically be impossible to enforce these rules at all.