SteV Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 Highly unlikely anyone will pay that much for a League One club, regardless of the potential. A Championship club? Possibly. Potential? Their potential is fake. Their paying core of fans isn't what they billed and is now being shown up once Premiership football and free tickets has ended. There's even those who've paid and aren't turning up. This isn't a club with potential. It's a club which tried to keep up with the jones', overspent in the wrong areas, pretended to be bigger than what they are and are now suffering the consequences. No one cares about the club outside of the North East. No one wants to play for them and the fans can't or won't put money in to it via tickets or merchandise. There isn't potential there to make money, there are much bigger clubs in the division in better financial positions who would cost less than their debt. Those are the real sleeping giants. That's a somewhat biased view IMO. They've just been a PL team for 10 years. Yes they hemorrhaged money virtually the whole time they were there, but that was down to inept senior management and absolutely pathetic player recruitment. Whilst I agree no-one really cares about them outside of the North East, the same could be said of Stoke, West Brom, Watford, Burnley, the list goes on. And the fact is they have a considerably larger fanbase than all of those mentioned. For all their faults, and fan-obsession with all things 'Mag', they absolutely have the potential to be an established PL team, although probably not to ever go further and consistently challenge towards the top 8. That said, the current state they find themselves in means they're a million miles away from that, and it's likely to be a long road back. Ah well, never mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conjo Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 Yeah, but their new club would be a nothing entity with no history, characterised by nothing other than some pink seats. Copied from the poster below you: Sir Bobby Robson: “What is a club in any case? Not the buildings or the directors or the people who are paid to represent it. It’s not the television contracts, get-out clauses, marketing departments or executive boxes. It’s the noise, the passion, the feeling of belonging, the pride in your city. It’s a small boy clambering up stadium steps for the very first time, gripping his father’s hand, gawping at that hallowed stretch of turf beneath him and, without being able to do a thing about it, falling in love.” They will still have their history, lets not make it into something its not. Plenty of stuff to laugh at as it is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 Highly unlikely anyone will pay that much for a League One club, regardless of the potential. A Championship club? Possibly. Potential? Their potential is fake. Their paying core of fans isn't what they billed and is now being shown up once Premiership football and free tickets has ended. There's even those who've paid and aren't turning up. This isn't a club with potential. It's a club which tried to keep up with the jones', overspent in the wrong areas, pretended to be bigger than what they are and are now suffering the consequences. No one cares about the club outside of the North East. No one wants to play for them and the fans can't or won't put money in to it via tickets or merchandise. There isn't potential there to make money, there are much bigger clubs in the division in better financial positions who would cost less than their debt. Those are the real sleeping giants. That's a somewhat biased view IMO. They've just been a PL team for 10 years. Yes they hemorrhaged money virtually the whole time they were there, but that was down to inept senior management and absolutely pathetic player recruitment. Whilst I agree no-one really cares about them outside of the North East, the same could be said of Stoke, West Brom, Watford, Burnley, the list goes on. And the fact is they have a considerably larger fanbase than all of those mentioned. For all their faults, and fan-obsession with all things 'Mag', they absolutely have the potential to be an established PL team, although probably not to ever go further and consistently challenge towards the top 8. That said, the current state they find themselves in means they're a million miles away from that, and it's likely to be a long road back. Ah well, never mind. You've totally overestimated them. They've had to sell their soul to the devil himself to stay in the premiership. They don't have the fan base, it was all lies built on free tickets and this has shown true when the chips are down. Just wait till next season when official attendances are in the teens and what turns up being even less. The rats have deserted the ship, a total contrast to the support we enjoyed both times going down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 Even if they're fiddling the attendances they're still some of the highest in the Champ despite the dismal football and hopeless situation, and Sunderland are still certainly in the top 15-20 or so biggest clubs in the country. If we were in a situation as shit as theirs our attendances would plummet too. In 09/10 we opened up with 36k against Reading, and if we'd slumped into a relegation battle rather than a runaway title win it'd have continued to fall. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteV Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 Don't compare them to us, compare them to other teams that have become established in the PL. The likes of West Brom, Swansea, Stoke, Palace. Have they got a fan base to compare with the likes of them? Of course they have. Attendances probably will fall off a cliff if and when they get relegated. Yet whatever they are they'll probably still be greater than the teams mentioned would attract if they were in a similar situation, i.e playing in a lower league with a consistently poor team and discontent with the ownership. Anyway, the fact that they do have a sizable fanbase, will make their inevitable defeats to likes of Fleetwood, Southend, Bury or whoever they end up playing, just that little bit more amusing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 They'll not go down this season like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 Again I’d rate the Sheffield clubs, Forest and Derby just as big as the mackems with Leeds and Villa much bigger. They are an average sized club as things stand with no real room to become bigger than what they are. They totally blew their Premier League years which turned out to be a complete waste of time. They did get 6 wins in a row against a certain club mind... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 Birmingham are probably in the same bracket. A club capable of 20-30k crowds. I'd also say Blackburn & Coventry with competent owners. I know the fanbase isn't the greatest but they've been a top flight/upper second tier club for most of their existence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 Birmingham are probably in the same bracket. A club capable of 20-30k crowds. I'd also say Blackburn & Coventry with competent owners. I know the fanbase isn't the greatest but they've been a top flight/upper second tier club for most of their existence. Aye forgot about them. I’d actually say the mackems are very similar to Coventry and Blackburn and may actually go the way they have in recent times. Birmingham should be doing much better as a club, even with all those other clubs in the West Midlands. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 Blackburn got disgraceful crowds at times in the PL. Even when they were in the top half under Hughes they were getting 16k against Watford. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 Blackburn got disgraceful crowds at times in the PL. Even when they were in the top half under Hughes they were getting 16k against Watford. I’m more talking about their place in English football as a club. They are just one of those nothing club’s that don’t seem to matter beyond their own town or city. Sunderland are in a desperate situation and always will be. Imagine if all that money spent on the club went into their city... that’s what let’s them down. No fucker wants to play for them and those that do get enticed by ridiculous wages. Players have no connection to the city or fans so they aren’t as determined or as willing to go the extra mile. It’s a pay packet to them. Same for most of their managers. Moyes was a disgrace last season, hoping his reputation would keep them up and getting paid fortunes. He basically walked in, had a look around nd thought, fuck me this lot aren’t staying up. Play the season out, get paid, land another job in the big league... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest covmag Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 its the not grasping how much shit they are in that i laugh at and i still cant think to this day why coleman took it on, they are utter dogshit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
afar Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 its the not grasping how much s*** they are in that i laugh at and i still cant think to this day why coleman took it on, they are utter dogshit. It was career suicide in many respects, there was no chance of him being successful in that set up even if he was a good manager, which he's not. They were bottom of the league, no talent in the existing squad, their leading goal scorer was to return to his parent club and there was no money at all to spend to remedy anything. Why leave a role where he was comfortable for that ? If he really wanted out of Wales then all he had to do is sit tight a little longer and wait for a much better situation. He's now tarred like Grayson with the shit from this situation which frankly both of them have had little control over. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 His time at Wales was coming to an end and basically Sunderland were the only club calling because he’s s***. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest covmag Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 His time at Wales was coming to an end and basically Sunderland were the only club calling because he’s s***. another fucker who talks a good game, i haven't given any thought about them going down until now, because we all know they seem to "find" a way, however theres no Defoe to keep saving the bastards now and i can't see them surviving, fingers and toes crossed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 Again I’d rate the Sheffield clubs, Forest and Derby just as big as the mackems with Leeds and Villa much bigger. They are an average sized club as things stand with no real room to become bigger than what they are. They totally blew their Premier League years which turned out to be a complete waste of time. They did get 6 wins in a row against a certain club mind... Sheffield Wednesday are bigger than the mackems like, on every conceivable level. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
afar Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 Again I’d rate the Sheffield clubs, Forest and Derby just as big as the mackems with Leeds and Villa much bigger. They are an average sized club as things stand with no real room to become bigger than what they are. They totally blew their Premier League years which turned out to be a complete waste of time. They did get 6 wins in a row against a certain club mind... Sheffield Wednesday are bigger than the mackems like, on every conceivable level. Not wanting to stick up for them, but 6 league titles for the mackems to 4 for Sheff Wed, that's one way you could argue their case. Six is actually pretty impressive, not many clubs in England have more titles. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 Again I’d rate the Sheffield clubs, Forest and Derby just as big as the mackems with Leeds and Villa much bigger. They are an average sized club as things stand with no real room to become bigger than what they are. They totally blew their Premier League years which turned out to be a complete waste of time. They did get 6 wins in a row against a certain club mind... Sheffield Wednesday are bigger than the mackems like, on every conceivable level. Not wanting to stick up for them, but 6 league titles for the mackems to 4 for Sheff Wed, that's one way you could argue their case. Six is actually pretty impressive, not many clubs in England have more titles. Every conceivable level than titles won 100 years ago then, or whatever it was. In the modern game even down in the depths I'd honestly rank SW as big as those fucking idiots. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 I'm still convinced the only reason Coleman is there is because he got a massive pay rise Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 I'm still convinced the only reason Coleman is there is because he got a massive pay rise He can't have been on crazy wages with Wales anyway surely? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
afar Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 I'm still convinced the only reason Coleman is there is because he got a massive pay rise I'm sure that's a huge factor in it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 Again I’d rate the Sheffield clubs, Forest and Derby just as big as the mackems with Leeds and Villa much bigger. They are an average sized club as things stand with no real room to become bigger than what they are. They totally blew their Premier League years which turned out to be a complete waste of time. They did get 6 wins in a row against a certain club mind... Sheffield Wednesday are bigger than the mackems like, on every conceivable level. If you had a league for big clubs, they’d be in league one... which is hopefully where they are heading, I’d rank Derby as a bigger club than the mackems personally. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 Again I’d rate the Sheffield clubs, Forest and Derby just as big as the mackems with Leeds and Villa much bigger. They are an average sized club as things stand with no real room to become bigger than what they are. They totally blew their Premier League years which turned out to be a complete waste of time. They did get 6 wins in a row against a certain club mind... Sheffield Wednesday are bigger than the mackems like, on every conceivable level. If you had a league for big clubs, they’d be in league one... which is hopefully where they are heading, I’d rank Derby as a bigger club than the mackems personally. Hm, not sure about Derby at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 Again I’d rate the Sheffield clubs, Forest and Derby just as big as the mackems with Leeds and Villa much bigger. They are an average sized club as things stand with no real room to become bigger than what they are. They totally blew their Premier League years which turned out to be a complete waste of time. They did get 6 wins in a row against a certain club mind... Sheffield Wednesday are bigger than the mackems like, on every conceivable level. If you had a league for big clubs, they’d be in league one... which is hopefully where they are heading, I’d rank Derby as a bigger club than the mackems personally. Total bollocks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 as things stand. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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