Jacob Murphy

[Maggies]

Didn’t think it was his best performance last night. But watching back the highlights and he was involved in almost every key attack.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Just now, The College Dropout said:

Big difference between Murphy's form now and Miggy's form - is that Miggy was overperforming his expected data by quite a stretch. Suggesting it wasn't sustainable.

 

Murphy's genuinely lining up Isak with tap-ins. He's playing at a great level in the final third at times. 11 goal contributions already.

Is there something that suggests it is sustainable for Murphy then? I’m not saying it’s not, I just don’t see what the evidence would be. 

[HawK]

Murphy just needs to keep playing to his strengths and never try to get involved in receiving a short pass from inside his own half.

 

Fantastic ball striking, decisions, very direct and full of confidence when he's got space. 

 

Not very good at shielding a ball, controlling a pass or retaining possession.

 

When we can get him on the ball in space he's very effective. I like him as a player. Livra enables him really. Trips behind him doesn't work because Trips wants to quarterback everything and call the plays and Murphy just wants to do his thing and spot the gaps.

 

 

Edited yesterday at 14:13 by HawK

[TRon]

54 minutes ago, Cf said:

Really don't know what to make of Murphy. 

 

Not long back I classed him as not even PL standard. 

 

And I still can't help but think that at times. Often when the ball gets to him you can just tell he's not on the same level as those around him.

 

But then he keeps putting in the goals and assists and seems to have an almost telepathic connection with Isak. 

 

Really pleased it's working for him. As previously stated there's maybe an argument that his form means we can go for a younger RW to develop but my fear is if he doesn't keep this form up his shortcomings will be all too evident again. 

 

 

Know exactly what you mean which is why I'm reluctant to see him as a permanent solution. He can look quite clumsy at times with the ball ricocheting off his feet a yard, but he has got a good right foot and he's capable of doing some damage. He will need upgrading at some point, hopefully his form will hold up for the rest of this season though.

[The College Dropout]

4 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

Is there something that suggests it is sustainable for Murphy then? I’m not saying it’s not, I just don’t see what the evidence would be. 

Well he's getting into positions and creating chances. He just needs to keep doing what he's doing. He's been doing that consistently from the start of the season.

 

Miggy had a proper purple patch - where shots he/other players would normally take and miss were going in. Apart from the elite, that's not sustainable for any player. Miggy had a slight uptick in expected goals but a massive uptick in actual goals - that was never going to be sustainable.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Just now, The College Dropout said:

Well he's getting into positions and creating chances. He just needs to keep doing what he's doing. He's been doing that consistently from the start of the season.

 

Miggy had a proper purple patch - where shots he/other players would normally take and miss were going in. Apart from the elite, that's not sustainable for any player. Miggy had a slight uptick in expected goals but a massive uptick in actual goals - that was never going to be sustainable.

 

Hmm, I suppose so, not sure I get the difference but I don't want us to sell Murphy anyway.

[Lush Vlad]

I’d guess at Murphy nearly having as many Prem assists this season. Than all of Almiron’s seasons in the league put together. 
 

That’s the one thing that annoyed me most about Almiron on that side. He never looked capable of creating anything for others and he still doesn’t. 

 

 

Edited yesterday at 14:26 by Lush Vlad

[HawK]

3 minutes ago, Lush Vlad said:

I’d guess at Murphy nearly having as many Prem assists this season. Than all of Almiron’s seasons in the league put together. 
 

That’s the one thing that annoyed me most about Almiron on that side. He never looked capable of creating anything for others and he still doesn’t. 

 

 

 

 

Tbf you can't make many assists when your eyes are glued to the spot of ground 12 inches in front of your left foot

[The College Dropout]

1 minute ago, Lush Vlad said:

I’d guess at Murphy nearly having as many Prem assists this season. Than all of Almiron’s seasons in the league put together. 
 

That’s the one thing that annoyed me most about Almiron on that side. He never looked capable of creating anything for others and he still doesn’t. 

 

 

 

Almiron has something like 6 assists total right?

 

4 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

 

Hmm, I suppose so, not sure I get the difference but I don't want us to sell Murphy anyway.

Put it this way - Cisse scoring banana shot volleys and worldies every week was clearly going to be unsustainable. Miggy had a version of that. Murphy legitimately creates a lot of chances from RW. His general play can be hit or miss but he does create quality chances.

[Aiston]

12 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

Almiron has something like 6 assists total right?

 

Put it this way - Cisse scoring banana shot volleys and worldies every week was clearly going to be unsustainable. Miggy had a version of that. Murphy legitimately creates a lot of chances from RW. His general play can be hit or miss but he does create quality chances.

 

Which is a very recent thing for Murphy and he has only managed it this season after years.

[The College Dropout]

1 hour ago, Aiston said:

 

Which is a very recent thing for Murphy and he has only managed it this season after years.

His fbref suggest he's been doing that well for some time now. Last season he got 10 goal contributions in 14 starts and 7 further sub appearances. This season he has 10 goal contributions in 14 starts and 4 appearances off the bench.

 

That's a year of being pretty effective in the final third.

 

It's the all-round game and goalscoring that's sometimes very, very bad. He creates chances though.

[80]

9 hours ago, Aiston said:

 

Which is a very recent thing for Murphy and he has only managed it this season after years.

It's been true since about March 2023. It's just a surprising amount of people have all suddenly noticed it at once.

 

I can't really believe he's going to stay like this, as he's always had up and down spells. My view is the pressure to produce gets to him. But all the same he's been consistently producing up spells for a while now.

 

I still firmly think a new top quality RW will do revolutionary things for us, even if his goal contribution numbers end up being similar to what Murphy's been offering lately. But I think what @Unbelievable is saying about Murphy possibly affecting how much of our resources we should spend there is a valid point.

 

Maybe we could do with a kid to compete with Murphy who has the right profile for a Howe team and strong underlying historic stats. Happy to get their break in the Premier League and be moulded by Eddie, from a cheaper part of the world for PSR reasons. Somewhere like Gambia... 

 

 

Edited 21 hours ago by 80

[alexf]

Dare I say there was a moment where I thought he's in danger of becoming abit too predictable with that whipped ball across he tries regularly. If defenders were wise to it. However it's such a dangerous tactic that it's almost unstoppable when done right. But as long as he varies it up occasionally and tries over things to keep the opponent guessing. 

 

Thought he and Gordon were our best players, especially first half when everyone else just looked a little off it.

[The College Dropout]

9 hours ago, 80 said:

It's been true since about March 2023. It's just a surprising amount of people have all suddenly noticed it at once.

 

I can't really believe he's going to stay like this, as he's always had up and down spells. My view is the pressure to produce gets to him. But all the same he's been consistently producing up spells for a while now.

 

I still firmly think a new top quality RW will do revolutionary things for us, even if his goal contribution numbers end up being similar to what Murphy's been offering lately. But I think what @Unbelievable is saying about Murphy possibly affecting how much of our resources we should spend there is a valid point.

 

Maybe we could do with a kid to compete with Murphy who has the right profile for a Howe team and strong underlying historic stats. Happy to get their break in the Premier League and be moulded by Eddie, from a cheaper part of the world for PSR reasons. Somewhere like Gambia... 

 

 

 

It's the general play on the ball that is fairly easily improved. 

 

The creativity will be pretty hard to equal let alone surpass.

[LFEE]

20 hours ago, Maggies said:

Didn’t think it was his best performance last night. But watching back the highlights and he was involved in almost every key attack.

Been mulling over his performance since the match and I’d have it down as possibly his most complete although I’m not sure that’s the best description.

 

It didn’t have the highs of an amazing finish or assist which he has in his locker despite attempts at both but nor did it have any moments when he’s easily bullied off the ball or he plays a simple pass stray and puts a teammate in trouble.

 

Maybe most rounded performance?