Jacob "The Juice" Murphy

[AyeDubbleYoo]

By some of our previous logic (Miggy, Wilson), this is when the club should sell him. 

[janpawel]

54 minutes ago, Lush Vlad said:

I love the way he has played the game since coming back in, with how he has kept it simple and played like an old school winger.  He has some pretty glaring weaknesses.  But we/he usually masks them fairly well.  I like that he is a bit of a throwback and isn't afraid to have a shot or chuck an early cross in.  Last night, his crossing was pretty dreadful and aimless.  But the volume and how he isn't afraid to keep trying it is more of a positive than a negative. 

 

It makes me hope for a right footed player to come in as our new RW option.  Not sure how many teams play with genuine right winger types like Murphy now.  So not sure how viable that is.  But the balance of our side is better with him and Tino staying wide.  With Gordon on the other side getting licence to roam and drift inside.  

 

Isak's form has been massively helped by Murphy/a right footer on that side, as well. 

Agreed, or if we have a left footed, Mbueme type winger, then using Tino as the wide option who can overlap and get a cross in

 

Part of the reason I think Tino hasn't done as well offensively, is having Murphy there doing his thing 

[TRon]

1 hour ago, Kanj said:

His ball striking is absolutely incredible if we’re being honest. 

 

This has always been one of the problems though, he's got the tools to be a much better player. But maybe we have been expecting too much. If you just take him for what he is and accept his football won't always be silky or super visionary, he can still do some damage allied to giving it 100% defensively as well.

[Kanj]

Love how Ando calls him “Morefie”

 

 

Edited January 16 by Kanj

[Jilted Generator]

Just now, Kanj said:

Love how Ando calls him “Morefy”

That’s the Dublin accent for you, I call him similar being from Dublin meself. 

[Lush Vlad]

36 minutes ago, janpawel said:

Agreed, or if we have a left footed, Mbueme type winger, then using Tino as the wide option who can overlap and get a cross in

 

Part of the reason I think Tino hasn't done as well offensively, is having Murphy there doing his thing 

I think yes and no with Tino. He is great driving forward on the ball and still provides the option on the overlap. He is quick and always a willing runner.
 

He just always looks like getting a low cross or a cutback into the box is really difficult for him. 
 

There was one last night where we won a corner and it seemed harder to hit the man than get it in the massive space known as ‘the corridor of uncertainty’. 

 

I think Tino’s game is all about his one on one defending and the energy and physicality he brings. His passing and how he is in the final third doesn’t make me think he’ll start chipping in with many assists like Murphy has and like Trippier used to. 

[RobS]

13 minutes ago, Lush Vlad said:

I think yes and no with Tino. He is great driving forward on the ball and still provides the option on the overlap. He is quick and always a willing runner.
 

He just always looks like getting a low cross or a cutback into the box is really difficult for him. 
 

There was one last night where we won a corner and it seemed harder to hit the man than get it in the massive space known as ‘the corridor of uncertainty’. 

 

I think Tino’s game is all about his one on one defending and the energy and physicality he brings. His passing and how he is in the final third doesn’t make me think he’ll start chipping in with many assists like Murphy has and like Trippier used to. 

He i still very young mind, and has bags of talent, I could easily see it being something he adds to his game over the next few years

[54]

His stats arn't actually all that different this season as they where last season, through his minutes per goal contribution has gone up:

 

2024/25 Season:

Goals: 3

Assists: 7

Minutes Played: 1240

Minutes Per Goal Contribution: 124

 

2023/24 Season:

Goals: 3

Assists: 8

Minutes Played: 1597

Minutes Per Goal Contribution: 145

[Cf]

Really don't know what to make of Murphy. 

 

Not long back I classed him as not even PL standard. 

 

And I still can't help but think that at times. Often when the ball gets to him you can just tell he's not on the same level as those around him.

 

But then he keeps putting in the goals and assists and seems to have an almost telepathic connection with Isak. 

 

Really pleased it's working for him. As previously stated there's maybe an argument that his form means we can go for a younger RW to develop but my fear is if he doesn't keep this form up his shortcomings will be all too evident again. 

[RodneyCisse]

4 minutes ago, Cf said:

Really don't know what to make of Murphy. 

 

Not long back I classed him as not even PL standard. 

 

And I still can't help but think that at times. Often when the ball gets to him you can just tell he's not on the same level as those around him.

 

But then he keeps putting in the goals and assists and seems to have an almost telepathic connection with Isak. 

 

Really pleased it's working for him. As previously stated there's maybe an argument that his form means we can go for a younger RW to develop but my fear is if he doesn't keep this form up his shortcomings will be all too evident again. 

It really helps we have arguably some of the best players around him in certain positions, really elevates his level.

[Unbelievable]

34 minutes ago, Cf said:

Really don't know what to make of Murphy. 

 

Not long back I classed him as not even PL standard. 

 

And I still can't help but think that at times. Often when the ball gets to him you can just tell he's not on the same level as those around him.

 

But then he keeps putting in the goals and assists and seems to have an almost telepathic connection with Isak. 

 

Really pleased it's working for him. As previously stated there's maybe an argument that his form means we can go for a younger RW to develop but my fear is if he doesn't keep this form up his shortcomings will be all too evident again. 

As per the post above yours, talk of a purple patch is misguided. He’s been quite consistently decent for a while now. Obviously we need to upgrade on him eventually, but Murphy is a perfect example of a system player right now, and would cost a fortune (that we probably won’t be able to spend) to upgrade.

[Lotus]

He’s doing great. So happy for him (and us).

[Mike]

If a summer signing was having his winter we'd be laughing. He's won the job for the foreseeable imo.

[Emotic]

37 minutes ago, RodneyCisse said:

It really helps we have arguably some of the best players around him in certain positions, really elevates his level.

Always a place for not-great players in a squad with worldies elevating everyone. Leicester won the league with Danny Simpson and Danny Drinkwater alongside Mahrez and Kante. 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

7 minutes ago, Mike said:

If a summer signing was having his winter we'd be laughing. He's won the job for the foreseeable imo.

Definitely a more interesting call, comparing it to people saying we should have sold Miggy and Wilson when they were playing well, for example. 
 

Depends if you think there’ll be a reversion to the mean at any point or if this is a genuine level he’s reached and can maintain. 
 

At the very least it means we don’t need to rush a RW signing if we can’t get them until summer. 

[The College Dropout]

Big difference between Murphy's form now and Miggy's form - is that Miggy was overperforming his expected data by quite a stretch. Suggesting it wasn't sustainable.

 

Murphy's genuinely lining up Isak with tap-ins. He's playing at a great level in the final third at times. 11 goal contributions already.

[Maggies]

Didn’t think it was his best performance last night. But watching back the highlights and he was involved in almost every key attack.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Just now, The College Dropout said:

Big difference between Murphy's form now and Miggy's form - is that Miggy was overperforming his expected data by quite a stretch. Suggesting it wasn't sustainable.

 

Murphy's genuinely lining up Isak with tap-ins. He's playing at a great level in the final third at times. 11 goal contributions already.

Is there something that suggests it is sustainable for Murphy then? I’m not saying it’s not, I just don’t see what the evidence would be. 

[HawK]

Murphy just needs to keep playing to his strengths and never try to get involved in receiving a short pass from inside his own half.

 

Fantastic ball striking, decisions, very direct and full of confidence when he's got space. 

 

Not very good at shielding a ball, controlling a pass or retaining possession.

 

When we can get him on the ball in space he's very effective. I like him as a player. Livra enables him really. Trips behind him doesn't work because Trips wants to quarterback everything and call the plays and Murphy just wants to do his thing and spot the gaps.

 

 

Edited January 16 by HawK

[TRon]

54 minutes ago, Cf said:

Really don't know what to make of Murphy. 

 

Not long back I classed him as not even PL standard. 

 

And I still can't help but think that at times. Often when the ball gets to him you can just tell he's not on the same level as those around him.

 

But then he keeps putting in the goals and assists and seems to have an almost telepathic connection with Isak. 

 

Really pleased it's working for him. As previously stated there's maybe an argument that his form means we can go for a younger RW to develop but my fear is if he doesn't keep this form up his shortcomings will be all too evident again. 

 

 

Know exactly what you mean which is why I'm reluctant to see him as a permanent solution. He can look quite clumsy at times with the ball ricocheting off his feet a yard, but he has got a good right foot and he's capable of doing some damage. He will need upgrading at some point, hopefully his form will hold up for the rest of this season though.

[The College Dropout]

4 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

Is there something that suggests it is sustainable for Murphy then? I’m not saying it’s not, I just don’t see what the evidence would be. 

Well he's getting into positions and creating chances. He just needs to keep doing what he's doing. He's been doing that consistently from the start of the season.

 

Miggy had a proper purple patch - where shots he/other players would normally take and miss were going in. Apart from the elite, that's not sustainable for any player. Miggy had a slight uptick in expected goals but a massive uptick in actual goals - that was never going to be sustainable.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Just now, The College Dropout said:

Well he's getting into positions and creating chances. He just needs to keep doing what he's doing. He's been doing that consistently from the start of the season.

 

Miggy had a proper purple patch - where shots he/other players would normally take and miss were going in. Apart from the elite, that's not sustainable for any player. Miggy had a slight uptick in expected goals but a massive uptick in actual goals - that was never going to be sustainable.

 

Hmm, I suppose so, not sure I get the difference but I don't want us to sell Murphy anyway.

[Lush Vlad]

I’d guess at Murphy nearly having as many Prem assists this season. Than all of Almiron’s seasons in the league put together. 
 

That’s the one thing that annoyed me most about Almiron on that side. He never looked capable of creating anything for others and he still doesn’t. 

 

 

Edited January 16 by Lush Vlad

[HawK]

3 minutes ago, Lush Vlad said:

I’d guess at Murphy nearly having as many Prem assists this season. Than all of Almiron’s seasons in the league put together. 
 

That’s the one thing that annoyed me most about Almiron on that side. He never looked capable of creating anything for others and he still doesn’t. 

 

 

 

 

Tbf you can't make many assists when your eyes are glued to the spot of ground 12 inches in front of your left foot

[The College Dropout]

1 minute ago, Lush Vlad said:

I’d guess at Murphy nearly having as many Prem assists this season. Than all of Almiron’s seasons in the league put together. 
 

That’s the one thing that annoyed me most about Almiron on that side. He never looked capable of creating anything for others and he still doesn’t. 

 

 

 

Almiron has something like 6 assists total right?

 

4 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

 

Hmm, I suppose so, not sure I get the difference but I don't want us to sell Murphy anyway.

Put it this way - Cisse scoring banana shot volleys and worldies every week was clearly going to be unsustainable. Miggy had a version of that. Murphy legitimately creates a lot of chances from RW. His general play can be hit or miss but he does create quality chances.