Dave Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 The more this goes on, the more that curry night looks staged to me. Very convenient photo op. Why would they stage it though? To appease fans. What would Staveley and PCP have to gain from such a publicity stunt? Absolutely nothing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasper Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 Hasn't it been pretty widely reported that it could be completed at the end of January earliest? Don't really understand what has changed if you don't count some rumours turning out to be full of s***. Nothing has changed and neither has the fact they want a relegation clause which Ashley won’t accept and that is a massive deal stopper bearing in mind they could lose 100 million plus if the deal was done and then we went down. I'm sure its not a deal stopper as we'd have heard by now if it was off. You don’t get it the deal currently is not off but PCP won’t buy the club without a relegation clause and Ashley won’t give them one so that is a deal stopper until the summer as I can’t see either budging. Trust me I hope I’m wrong. I trust you to be wrong just as much as everyone else. We're all just guessing here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odear Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 If the main backer of this takeover is from Saudi, perhaps the continuing news from there is a reason why things have stalled? This is in the news this morning.. “Saudi authorities have detained 11 princes after they gathered at a royal palace in Riyadh to protest against austerity measures that included suspending the payment of their utility bills, Saudi media reported on Saturday. The government information service, the Centre for International Communication, said it was checking the report. Saudi Arabia, the world’s top oil exporter, has introduced reforms that include cutting subsidies, introducing VAT and cutting perks to royal family members to try to cope with a drop in crude prices that has caused a budget deficit estimated at 195 billion riyals for 2018.” So they were going to spend around 300 million on a football club but now its all off because Cilla is making them pay for their gas and leccy? It’s been mentioned several times that PCP’s backer could be Saudi. It’s total chaos over there with their Royal family at the moment so it could definitely be an issue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altamullan Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 I think the January window, and the recognised (by Rafa), need to add to the squad, offers a good lever for Ashley to push the price-up closer to what he wants/thinks he should, or can, get. PCP absolutely require PL status, or I reckon the deal ceases to look viable. They have already shown their hand re their desire to increase the likelihood of PL survival by investing in players in January (by apparently offering to do so/recompense Ashley for doing so). He (they?) have stipulated that any January investment is contingent on a price being agreed. Tick-tock the opportunity to strengthen is passing by. Who will blink/fold first? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 I still think it will go ahead, we just have to be patient. We cannot kind of really buy anyone for serious money while the club is going through a takeover so it will be loan deals until a takeover and if it’s not completed in Jan it will be loan deals only. In short I wouldn’t use our lack of activity transfer wise or rumours of players being linked to indicate that it’s not happening which seems to be the case with a few... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 I would have thought a multi billionaire could take a club over a lot quicker than this Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 I would have thought a multi billionaire could take a club over a lot quicker than this They will only pay what they think the club is worth, she's handling the money of others. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 I would have thought a multi billionaire could take a club over a lot quicker than this I’m sure I read it took Ashley about a month or so and that was without due diligence and him being a cash buyer. Mind there was the issue of shares. Again, the hold up for me, is the legality of it all. I remain confident because it seems Rafa is not displaying any angst or anything like he did in the Summer. I’m sure he will accept loan deals only or minimal spend if it means next season he will be working for a new owner with bigger funds. Even if we don’t get anyone in, Rafa will be confident he can keep us up and will obviously do his all to keep us up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 If the main backer of this takeover is from Saudi, perhaps the continuing news from there is a reason why things have stalled? This is in the news this morning.. “Saudi authorities have detained 11 princes after they gathered at a royal palace in Riyadh to protest against austerity measures that included suspending the payment of their utility bills, Saudi media reported on Saturday. The government information service, the Centre for International Communication, said it was checking the report. Saudi Arabia, the world’s top oil exporter, has introduced reforms that include cutting subsidies, introducing VAT and cutting perks to royal family members to try to cope with a drop in crude prices that has caused a budget deficit estimated at 195 billion riyals for 2018.” So they were going to spend around 300 million on a football club but now its all off because Cilla is making them pay for their gas and leccy? It’s been mentioned several times that PCP’s backer could be Saudi. It’s total chaos over there with their Royal family at the moment so it could definitely be an issue. It has also been reported that she has made great progress on the deal since the arrests and such happened. This wouldn’t have happened if those backing her were the ones caught up. It has also been mentioned that her main backer is the person who ordered the arrests. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 I would have thought a multi billionaire could take a club over a lot quicker than this Or sell one? No idea why people like to make out that rich people and organisations are happy to spend money if they don't think they need to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 I would have thought a multi billionaire could take a club over a lot quicker than this Or sell one? No idea why people like to make out that rich people and organisations are happy to spend money if they don't think they need to. The people behind Man City wanted us originally but thought Ashley’s valuation was ridiculous. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altamullan Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 I would have thought a multi billionaire could take a club over a lot quicker than this Or sell one? No idea why people like to make out that rich people and organisations are happy to spend money if they don't think they need to. The people behind Man City wanted us originally but thought Ashley’s valuation was ridiculous. There’s been a fair bit of urban mythology about the approach to buy us (and others) pre Man City. What makes you state as fact that our asking price was the/an obstacle? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 I think another problem is that this takeover is playing out in the public eye. I can’t remember any other takeover for other clubs being like this. They always seem to come out of the blue. A combination of Ashley desperate to sell (that sky interview was a come and buy it plea) and us lot desperate for any news, hence why this thread is ongoing despite no real developments or news. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 I would have thought a multi billionaire could take a club over a lot quicker than this Or sell one? No idea why people like to make out that rich people and organisations are happy to spend money if they don't think they need to. The people behind Man City wanted us originally but thought Ashley’s valuation was ridiculous. There’s been a fair bit of urban mythology about the approach to buy us (and others) pre Man City. What makes you state as fact that our asking price was the/an obstacle? It’s been widely reported IIRC, especially at the time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 Why would you spend a tenner buying something if you could do without it or buy the same for like a fiver? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altamullan Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 Can’t recall reading/hearing that. Have heard story re Ashley not turning up himself/sending a minion (probably Charnley), them being offended and leaving. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 Can’t recall reading/hearing that. Have heard story re Ashley not turning up himself/sending a minion (probably Charnley), them being offended and leaving. I’m going off memory, but he basically overvalued us because in truth at the time he had no intention of selling us? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 120million over 2 seasons and 40 new faces... Is this right? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 Barney Rubble has never aged! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1964 Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 There will be some barney rubble on this board when the takeover goes tits up Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Bailey Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altamullan Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 Can’t recall reading/hearing that. Have heard story re Ashley not turning up himself/sending a minion (probably Charnley), them being offended and leaving. I’m going off memory, but he basically overvalued us because in truth at the time he had no intention of selling us? Ok, fair enough. Think I am just going to assume that you are prone to ‘facticizing’ (not unlike fantasising) given the tone of above (‘he basically’, ‘in truth’) as you are again stating things as true which you can’t possibly really know. Apologies, if it is just your writing style rather than you passing off what you believe/assume as factual. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 And when it happens it will be yaba daba do and a few Wilmas will be getting bam bam’d that day no doubt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 Can’t recall reading/hearing that. Have heard story re Ashley not turning up himself/sending a minion (probably Charnley), them being offended and leaving. I’m going off memory, but he basically overvalued us because in truth at the time he had no intention of selling us? Ok, fair enough. Think I am just going to assume that you are prone to ‘facticizing’ (not unlike fantasising) given the tone of above (‘he basically’, ‘in truth’) as you are again stating things as true which you can’t possibly really know. Apologies, if it is just your writing style rather than you passing off what you believe/assume as factual. Who knows if it was true indeed. It was reported and it wouldn’t be a surprise. I guess I’m repeating what Dave is pointing out. Just because they may be mega Westland doesn’t mean they wanna pay over the odds for the club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 We really need strengthening. Don't care who funds it or who reimburses who. I get that that's a fan perspective and the realities of business are different when talking about multiple hundreds of millions and our shaky premiership survival. So the fact the buyer and seller here are (allegedly) in a standoff over it just fucking sucks for everyone. Fans. Rafa. Players. Everyone. I think Staveley and co are waiting on Ashley to blink. They know that he knows that if we go down, the buyers walk, Rafa walks, the club isn't likely to return and he's fucked. He, on the other hand, is just a fucking twat with more stubbornness than sense who might just chance it than feel like he's getting pushed around. Hope it's sorted soon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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