AY Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 Correct decision. The only problem was the fact play carried on for like 30 seconds then he brought it all the way back. Can't stop the play evey time a player goes down in the box either though The replay shows the ball deviates slightly which means he touched the ball. They f***ed up. Touching a ball slightly doesnt mean that it isnt a foul.. It means he won the ball so unless it was reckless (or he does something else like pull the player down with his arm) then aye it literally does. No it doesnt. The follow through clips Griezmann's legs when he is clean through. 100% penalty. The follow up had about as much purchase as a hair. I'm sick of this whole contact=foul nonsense. The game's dead when fans of the game are perpetuating this bollocks. This man. Why aren't all challenges that have follow through not given as fouls then if that's the rule? Because usually the dont take away a goalscoring chance like in this case? Funny that there are still people who think "winning the ball=always a fair tackle" Nobody believes this. If a tackle is reckless for example then winning the ball is irrelevant. Please explain how winning the ball in this case didn't negate the contact that came afterwards? Like what was it about the tackle that was wrong? Because the slightest of touches doesnt even take the ball away from Griezmann. After the first contact to the ball, it's still a goal scoring situation. There are 5 video referees that have watched it in slow motion and the referee watched it again. I seem to think they have more understanding to the laws of game than you. I think Griezmann was still getting to the ball, hard to say though. If he had tackled the ball away from Griezmann and then clipped him, fine. For me it looked like he was still clean through. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 BBC in complete meltdown here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 I think it's important that after the Australia defender got the touch that Griezmann still got another touch and then got taken down. Very unlucky for the defender mind Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 I think that's a penalty on the replay Yes, absolutely. I mean if there's no VAR and the ref misses that, you can understand it, and it's not the worst thing. But going to a replay and watching that, and determining it was not a penalty would be silly IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 Think it's a clear penalty in the end. VAR served its purpose. Would have been easy to miss that second little clip in real time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infinitely Content Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 France would be better off with Pardew. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 Hopefully Argentina are better to watch, although forwards aside their team doesn't inspire much confidence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 Shit game, correct penalty decision though and that’s why Var was introduced. France look shit and Australia probably deserved a draw. I quite like Lawro myself, he’s not so much miserable but clearly in contempt of the modern game and doesn’t give enough of a fuck to try and disguise it, plus he’s getting paid for it, what a man Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 Hopefully Argentina are better to watch, although forwards aside their team doesn't inspire much confidence. Messi will be playing, so they will be better to watch Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 I think it's important that after the Australia defender got the touch that Griezmann still got another touch and then got taken down. Very unlucky for the defender mind That touch you're talking about isn't controlled, it's knocked into him from the tackle. For me that stops it being important, for me he's not in control of the ball and then chooses to dive knowing that in modern day football any contact, no matter how inconsequential, means you're vindicated for diving. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raconteur Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 Australian pundits - Mark Schwarzer, John Aloisi and Tony Popovic all agree it's a pen, and Schwarzer was raving about how good VAR is and how well it worked here. Odd. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 Correct decision. The only problem was the fact play carried on for like 30 seconds then he brought it all the way back. Can't stop the play evey time a player goes down in the box either though The replay shows the ball deviates slightly which means he touched the ball. They f***ed up. Touching a ball slightly doesnt mean that it isnt a foul.. It means he won the ball so unless it was reckless (or he does something else like pull the player down with his arm) then aye it literally does. No it doesnt. The follow through clips Griezmann's legs when he is clean through. 100% penalty. The follow up had about as much purchase as a hair. I'm sick of this whole contact=foul nonsense. The game's dead when fans of the game are perpetuating this bollocks. This man. Why aren't all challenges that have follow through not given as fouls then if that's the rule? Because usually the dont take away a goalscoring chance like in this case? Funny that there are still people who think "winning the ball=always a fair tackle" Nobody believes this. If a tackle is reckless for example then winning the ball is irrelevant. Please explain how winning the ball in this case didn't negate the contact that came afterwards? Like what was it about the tackle that was wrong? Because the slightest of touches doesnt even take the ball away from Griezmann. After the first contact to the ball, it's still a goal scoring situation. There are 5 video referees that have watched it in slow motion and the referee watched it again. I seem to think they have more understanding to the laws of game than you. I think Griezmann was still getting to the ball, hard to say though. If he had tackled the ball away from Griezmann and then clipped him, fine. For me it looked like he was still clean through. I've never seen this kind of argument for justification of a penalty before like. In the Premiership atleast. Every time the ball is touched it's always been classed as a fair tackle and whatever comes afterwards has been irrelevant unless there's a kickout or a short/shirt grab or whatever. I'm assuming this is because the game is usually refereed in real time, and not in slow motion by 5 referees who know better than me. EDIT: We're talking as if this is like different phases of play or something because it's getting dissected in slo-mo. It was all one fluid motion in real time, he won the ball and then took the player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbnufc Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 Peru man Should be everyone's 2nd team here Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 Correct decision. The only problem was the fact play carried on for like 30 seconds then he brought it all the way back. Can't stop the play evey time a player goes down in the box either though The replay shows the ball deviates slightly which means he touched the ball. They f***ed up. Touching a ball slightly doesnt mean that it isnt a foul.. It means he won the ball so unless it was reckless (or he does something else like pull the player down with his arm) then aye it literally does. No it doesnt. The follow through clips Griezmann's legs when he is clean through. 100% penalty. The follow up had about as much purchase as a hair. I'm sick of this whole contact=foul nonsense. The game's dead when fans of the game are perpetuating this bollocks. This man. Why aren't all challenges that have follow through not given as fouls then if that's the rule? Because usually the dont take away a goalscoring chance like in this case? Funny that there are still people who think "winning the ball=always a fair tackle" Nobody believes this. If a tackle is reckless for example then winning the ball is irrelevant. Please explain how winning the ball in this case didn't negate the contact that came afterwards? Like what was it about the tackle that was wrong? Because the slightest of touches doesnt even take the ball away from Griezmann. After the first contact to the ball, it's still a goal scoring situation. There are 5 video referees that have watched it in slow motion and the referee watched it again. I seem to think they have more understanding to the laws of game than you. I think Griezmann was still getting to the ball, hard to say though. If he had tackled the ball away from Griezmann and then clipped him, fine. For me it looked like he was still clean through. I've never seen this kind of argument for justification of a penalty before like. In the Premiership atleast. Every time the ball is touched it's always been classed as a fair tackle and whatever comes afterwards has been irrelevant unless there's a kickout or a short/shirt grab or whatever. I'm assuming this is because the game is usually refereed in real time, and not in slow motion by 5 referees who know better than me. Shouldn't be judging tackles on slow motion replays, can justify almost any contact to be a foul when that happens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infinitely Content Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 Peru man Should be everyone's 2nd team here Just for wor Nobby if anything Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
summerof69 Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 Yep seems we have a Solano- Shearer interview coming up too Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 Does that Nicolai Jorgensen start for Denmark? Will be interesting to see what he looks like as a player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
summerof69 Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 Think so Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infinitely Content Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 Does that Nicolai Jorgensen start for Denmark? Will be interesting to see what he looks like as a player. I think he'll surprise the people who think he's just a big lump. He can play. On the other hand Denmark have Poulsen of Leipzig and Dolberg of Ajax so it depends what kind of system they play. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 Ah, okay. Cool. Looking forward to seeing them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AY Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 Correct decision. The only problem was the fact play carried on for like 30 seconds then he brought it all the way back. Can't stop the play evey time a player goes down in the box either though The replay shows the ball deviates slightly which means he touched the ball. They f***ed up. Touching a ball slightly doesnt mean that it isnt a foul.. It means he won the ball so unless it was reckless (or he does something else like pull the player down with his arm) then aye it literally does. No it doesnt. The follow through clips Griezmann's legs when he is clean through. 100% penalty. The follow up had about as much purchase as a hair. I'm sick of this whole contact=foul nonsense. The game's dead when fans of the game are perpetuating this bollocks. This man. Why aren't all challenges that have follow through not given as fouls then if that's the rule? Because usually the dont take away a goalscoring chance like in this case? Funny that there are still people who think "winning the ball=always a fair tackle" Nobody believes this. If a tackle is reckless for example then winning the ball is irrelevant. Please explain how winning the ball in this case didn't negate the contact that came afterwards? Like what was it about the tackle that was wrong? Because the slightest of touches doesnt even take the ball away from Griezmann. After the first contact to the ball, it's still a goal scoring situation. There are 5 video referees that have watched it in slow motion and the referee watched it again. I seem to think they have more understanding to the laws of game than you. I think Griezmann was still getting to the ball, hard to say though. If he had tackled the ball away from Griezmann and then clipped him, fine. For me it looked like he was still clean through. I've never seen this kind of argument for justification of a penalty before like. In the Premiership atleast. Every time the ball is touched it's always been classed as a fair tackle and whatever comes afterwards has been irrelevant unless there's a kickout or a short/shirt grab or whatever. I'm assuming this is because the game is usually refereed in real time, and not in slow motion by 5 referees who know better than me. EDIT: We're talking as if this is like different phases of play or something because it's getting dissected in slo-mo. It was all one fluid motion in real time, he won the ball and then took the player. Seen what kind of argument? Its a penalty because he takes away a goal scoring chance by tripping the opponent. He doesn't tackle the ball away from Griezmann, then it would be fair tackle. "Every time the ball is touched it's always been classed as a fair tackle" You just said no one thinks this. It's not just for dangerous tackles and such, "winning the ball" is not when 0,01 inches of your stud touches the ball and the player still has a good goal scoring chance. This seems to be some English argument. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbnufc Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 fifa rules Direct free kick A direct free kick is awarded to the opposing team if a player commits any of the following seven offences in a manner considered by the referee to be careless, reckless or using excessive force: • kicks or attempts to kick an opponent • trips or attempts to trip an opponent • jumps at an opponent • charges an opponent • strikes or attempts to strike an opponent • pushes an opponent • tackles an opponent A direct free kick is also awarded to the opposing team if a player commits any of the following three offences: • holds an opponent • spits at an opponent • handles the ball deliberately (except for the goalkeeper within his own penalty area) A direct free kick is taken from the place where the offence occurred (see Law 13 – Position of free kick). Penalty kick A penalty kick is awarded if any of the above ten offences is committed by a player inside his own penalty area, irrespective of the position of the ball, provided it is in play. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexjack Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 IMO, Peru will suprise everyone. They just want it more than anyone here. They want to win, they want to give everything they have, just to win. My friend who is in Russia said that there are thousands and thousands of Peruvians in Russia. Whole country has stopped today. They've been waiting for this more than 30 years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 Correct decision. The only problem was the fact play carried on for like 30 seconds then he brought it all the way back. Can't stop the play evey time a player goes down in the box either though The replay shows the ball deviates slightly which means he touched the ball. They f***ed up. Touching a ball slightly doesnt mean that it isnt a foul.. It means he won the ball so unless it was reckless (or he does something else like pull the player down with his arm) then aye it literally does. No it doesnt. The follow through clips Griezmann's legs when he is clean through. 100% penalty. The follow up had about as much purchase as a hair. I'm sick of this whole contact=foul nonsense. The game's dead when fans of the game are perpetuating this bollocks. This man. Why aren't all challenges that have follow through not given as fouls then if that's the rule? Because usually the dont take away a goalscoring chance like in this case? Funny that there are still people who think "winning the ball=always a fair tackle" Nobody believes this. If a tackle is reckless for example then winning the ball is irrelevant. Please explain how winning the ball in this case didn't negate the contact that came afterwards? Like what was it about the tackle that was wrong? Because the slightest of touches doesnt even take the ball away from Griezmann. After the first contact to the ball, it's still a goal scoring situation. There are 5 video referees that have watched it in slow motion and the referee watched it again. I seem to think they have more understanding to the laws of game than you. I think Griezmann was still getting to the ball, hard to say though. If he had tackled the ball away from Griezmann and then clipped him, fine. For me it looked like he was still clean through. I've never seen this kind of argument for justification of a penalty before like. In the Premiership atleast. Every time the ball is touched it's always been classed as a fair tackle and whatever comes afterwards has been irrelevant unless there's a kickout or a short/shirt grab or whatever. I'm assuming this is because the game is usually refereed in real time, and not in slow motion by 5 referees who know better than me. EDIT: We're talking as if this is like different phases of play or something because it's getting dissected in slo-mo. It was all one fluid motion in real time, he won the ball and then took the player. Seen what kind of argument? Its a penalty because he takes away a goal scoring chance by tripping the opponent. He doesn't tackle the ball away from Griezmann, then it would be fair tackle. "Every time the ball is touched it's always been classed as a fair tackle" You just said no one thinks this. It's not just for dangerous tackles and such, "winning the ball" is not when 0,01 inches of your stud touches the ball and the player still has a good goal scoring chance. This seems to be some English argument. Tripping the opponent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AY Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 IMO, Peru will suprise everyone. They just want it more than anyone here. They want to win, they want to give everything they have, just to win. My friend who is in Russia said that there are thousands and thousands of Peruvians in Russia. Whole country has stopped today. They've been waiting for this more than 30 years. Hopefully Peru is better than other much hyped team Morocco. The Guerrero situation also is a bit farce, but hope they beat the French. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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