Sean Longstaff

[Erikse]

14 minutes ago, Scoot said:

 

To improve in that area we need to sell in that area first. Selling Longstaff to upgrade to a younger, better player is a must in my eyes.

 

If we don't and just go with what we've got next season, we'll be in a bit of trouble I think with the extra games (even without them). Bruno, Joelinton and Tonali are great, but the drop off after those 3 is huge. We need a 4th player to rotate to some degree as those 3 cannot and won't play ever game. Hopefully Miley can step up as well next season. 

 

 

 

Okay, so then we need to spend more than what we get for Longstaff. So we need a starter RW, a starter CB, a new goalie, a CM that can challenge for the starting spot, a backup striker, AND a new backup/rotation midfielder who will also cost us a bit. If we sell Longstaff we will probably need 2 midfielders. Then all of these players will have to get used to their team mates, all at once.

 

 

Edited 8 hours ago by Erikse

[JT24]

11 minutes ago, Erikse said:

 

Okay, so then we need to spend more than what we get for Longstaff. So we need a starter RW, a starter CB, a new goalie, a CM that can challenge for the starting spot, a backup striker, AND a new backup/rotation midfielder who will also cost us a bit. If we sell Longstaff we will probably need 2 midfielders. Then all of these players will have to get used to their team mates, all at once.

 

 

 

In Howe we trust. 

[nufcjmc]

I think now he's dropped down the pecking order it's become almost a circular argument. In one way he's not very good last 12 months of his contract and now might be a good time to sell to get a fee over giving him a new deal. The counter to this is what quality level do you want or expect from 5th or 6th choice? He's only 27 loves the club and doesn't appear to be pushing his toys out the pram finding chances limited.

 

If your against longstaff staying is the fear an injury or 2 away from him starting regularly. 

 

If we get offered a decent fee of 12/15m at least we know it will get reinvested and the player may get more than 10 starts a season in his "peak"  years.

[Erikse]

4 minutes ago, JT24 said:

In Howe we trust. 

 

I just doubt that we will buy 6 players who are ready this season, so I am curious to hear which of the ones I listed that people would ditch if we sell Longstaff.

 

 

Edited 8 hours ago by Erikse

[nufcjmc]

Just now, Erikse said:

 

I just doubt that we will buy 6 players who are ready this season, so I am curious to hear which of the ones I listed that people would ditch if we sell Longstaff.

 

 

 

While I agree wholesale changes isn't what Howe would usually want if depends on the profile of the replacement. While your right the funds won't be there for 40 or 50m replacement to challenge the 3 starters it could get us a younger player who is going to get the Howe special of slow integration into the side. If we are going out to find a better 5th or 6th choice with potential to grow there has to be lower fee players out there that don't need the immediate pressure to start. 

 

If your pressing me on who I would have to drop from the shopping list it would be keeper personally 30 or 40m going from a budget I think or should I say I hope it could wait 12 months and be a next summer problem.

[TheBrownBottle]

11 hours ago, lovejoy said:

I wouldn’t sell him, personally.

It wouldn’t be high on my agenda, but if the right bid came in then no issue

[Scoot]

17 minutes ago, Erikse said:

 

Okay, so then we need to spend more than what we get for Longstaff. So we need a starter RW, a starter CB, a new goalie, a CM that can challenge for the starting spot, a backup striker, AND a new backup/rotation midfielder who will also cost us a bit. If we sell Longstaff we will probably need 2 midfielders. Then all of these players will have to get used to their team mates, all at once.

 

 

 

 

So let's just keep all our shite players who basically offer nothing?

 

This has been our problem, we don't get rid of deadwood and we end up stuck with them and then not able to bring anyone in due to not raising funds from their sale.

 

Selling Longstaff for £15m in a PSR world doesn't just mean you have £15m to spend. It allows you to spend more in some strange way although that would have to be offset further down the line but you'd hope getting to the latter stages of the champions league would do exactly that. You sell Longstaff and buy someone better to help you do just that.

 

It's called speculating to accumulate.

 

 

[TheBrownBottle]

49 minutes ago, Erikse said:

My issue is we sell Longstaff, and then what? We sold Anderson last summer, Willock is injury prone, and Miley may not be ready yet. Are we going to buy a better 10m backup who is ready to start games right away, which Eddie is often hesitant to do, especially with younger players? 10m doesn't get you far in todays market, unless you are really creative. As bad as Sean Longstaff has been at times, getting a cheap replacement may not work out any better for this season with lots of games coming. That said if the club does sell him, I trust them to have a plan behind it. Or he just really wanted to go, which would be understandable.

A £10m sale would free up more than a £10m replacement 

[nufcjmc]

Just now, TheBrownBottle said:

It wouldn’t be high on my agenda, but if the right bid came in then no issue

It's an issue that needs resolving though we gave him the 12 month extension to protect some resale value but went very quiet on an actual contract negotiation. This summer would be the ideal time to sort out he either gets an extension or we sell. 

[Erikse]

4 minutes ago, Scoot said:

 

So let's just keep all our shite players who basically offer nothing?

 

This has been our problem, we don't get rid of deadwood and we end up stuck with them and then not able to bring anyone in due to not raising funds from their sale.

 

Selling Longstaff for £15m in a PSR world doesn't just mean you have £15m to spend. It allows you to spend more in some strange way although that would have to be offset further down the line but you'd hope getting to the latter stages of the champions league would do exactly that. You sell Longstaff and buy someone better to help you do just that.

 

It's called speculating to accumulate.

 

 

 

You're not answering my question, though. Which of those 6 listed would you ditch? Or do you think we will buy 6 players who are ready to start games? Because getting 2-3 injuries in midfield isn't that unlikely given the amount of games, so again, even buying just 1 midfielder would leave us short in this case. This is the exact reason why we've kept "deadwood" before btw.

 

 

Edited 8 hours ago by Erikse

[Erikse]

7 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

A £10m sale would free up more than a £10m replacement 

 

In short term finances, yes. Not if you think long term finances. But again, are we now going to buy 2 midfielders who are ready to start games in the PL?

 

 

Edited 8 hours ago by Erikse

[Scoot]

2 minutes ago, Erikse said:

 

You're not answering my question, though. Which of those 6 listed would you ditch? Or do you think we will buy 6 players who are ready to start games? Because getting 2-3 injuries in midfield isn't that unlikely given the amount of games, so again, even buying just 1 midfielder would leave us short in this case.

 

 

 

 

I have answered your question. I wouldn't ditch any of them because the sale of Longstsff allows you to invest more money in filling his position (read my last post^). 

 

You sell Longstsff for 15 million, you can spend 2 or 3 times that on a replacement in PSR terms. That's a 30 or 40 million pound player and you hopefully make that back by doing better in all the competions you're in. 

 

You use the budget we already have on the positions we were already to looking to upgrade in. 

[Scoot]

6 minutes ago, Erikse said:

 

You're not answering my question, though. Which of those 6 listed would you ditch? Or do you think we will buy 6 players who are ready to start games? Because getting 2-3 injuries in midfield isn't that unlikely given the amount of games, so again, even buying just 1 midfielder would leave us short in this case.

 

 

 

 

Mate, I've explained it. I don't know what you're talking about. You're now on about buying 2 midfielders.

 

I've explained my opinion twice now, and I don't really understand yours. I'll just leave it there.

[Erikse]

5 minutes ago, Scoot said:

 

Mate, I've explained it. I don't know what you're talking about. You're now on about buying 2 midfielders.

 

I've explained my opinion twice now, and I don't really understand yours. I'll just leave it there.

 

I don't think we're looking to put us in the same position as we did before in coming windows by spending the maximum that we can on a short term basis.

 

We already need a midfielder. If we sell Longstaff we need 2 of them. Athough we were unlucky that season, last time we were in CL we had to use our 7th choice in every game for months. If we sell Longstaff and buy 1 midfielder, I really hope we're lucky with injuries, or that Miley will have a breakthrough season.

 

I was on about 2 midfielders in my first post aswell.

 

 

Edited 8 hours ago by Erikse

[Fak]

Lads chill out man it's lovely outside. 

[ExiledGeordie]

One of my patients who has been right about a few other things (which probably means it’s complete bollocks😂) reckons he’s off to Leeds. 

[McCormick]

Would probably finance a move for Ramsay. Not sure he’s the right profile of midfielder we need, personally but it’s an upgrade on Sean (on paper).

[TRon]

12 hours ago, lovejoy said:

I wouldn’t sell him, personally.

 

 

Does anyone even want him?

 

 

[nufcjmc]

Don't think sean going would mean 2 midfield coming in longstaff funds the new midfield player. What will be interesting if Howe would be willing to let both willock and longstaff go in one window as we would need 2 midfielders at that point. 

 

However willock is on his last 2 years and if good money is on the table I would gamble on letting both go. 

[Erikse]

1 minute ago, nufcjmc said:

Don't think sean going would mean 2 midfield coming in longstaff funds the new midfield player. What will be interesting if Howe would be willing to let both willock and longstaff go in one window as we would need 2 midfielders at that point. 

 

However willock is on his last 2 years and if good money is on the table I would gamble on letting both go. 

 

We better hope Willock stays fit if we need him to start every week (which would probably happen). I'm not convinced that it's more worth it to keep him rather than Longstaff, especially given his injury record and how he also has fallen so much in performances anyways, but he does have a higher ceiling if he can get anywhere near what he was a couple of years ago.

[Shak]

Barring a massive injury crisis, he won’t play almost any football next season.

 

In a PSR world, I don’t really see the sense in keeping him around to be an extra unused bench option over trying to get something for him now.

[gbandit]

Also, what’s best for him? He strikes me as the type of lad who wants to prove something to himself and others. He’s not going to do that on our bench 

[nufcjmc]

5 minutes ago, Erikse said:

 

We better hope Willock stays fit if we need him to start every week (which would probably happen). I'm not convinced that it's more worth it to keep him rather than Longstaff, especially given his injury record and how he also has fallen so much in performances anyways, but he does have a higher ceiling if he can get anywhere near what he was a couple of years ago.

I don't trust either to start any meaningful games that's the issue been unimpressed with both hoping willock and sean go back to 2 years ago is wishful thinking when both seem to do better getting regular starts and regular minutes. 

 

Both should get fresh starts elsewhere the issue is I can't see the club dealing with the upheaval it would cause both leaving same window. Plus fees of 10 or 12m for sean and reports of 25m reported for willock leave you well short financially paying for 2 replacements. 

 

It may be the case of who we get an offer on first and the other then stays. 

 

 

Edited 7 hours ago by nufcjmc

[Erikse]

8 minutes ago, gbandit said:

Also, what’s best for him? He strikes me as the type of lad who wants to prove something to himself and others. He’s not going to do that on our bench 

 

Yes, and I've said many times that he probably wants to leave anyways, so I'm not saying that I think he stays. Ofcourse I wouldn't be crying if he leaves, I'm just wondering about the squad depth if he does. Luckily Tonali and Bruno has been very reliable in terms of injuries. Joelinton and Willock not so much. If we avoid long term injuries on Tonali and Bruno, we're probably fine with just replacing Longstaff.

 

 

Edited 7 hours ago by Erikse

[Holloway]

Bruno 

Sandro 

Big Jur

The lad Miley

One other dependable

Willock when he"s not stoned

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