Sean Longstaff

[midds]

1 minute ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

Yeah of course, at some point. Question is just how many signings we want to make and/or not losing any profit we could get by selling him in the future. 
 

I understand either way TBH, but I’m sure we’ll extend him. 

Yeah I get that, not disagreeing. 

 

I just fail to see the benefit of extending a player who isn't producing anything of note. He's trying his best but it just isn't happening and I don't think it ever will, we do need bodies in the squad to pad it out but keeping players who simply aren't capable of offering anything is just taking up a squad place for the sake of it.

 

It's harsh but I'd let him go for whatever someone is daft enough to pay

[midds]

24 minutes ago, duo said:

Unfortunately Eddie seems to like to 'rewarding' those loyal to him with new contracts - today's match was just another example of our squad not being good enough and Longstaff is a part of that. 

Agree. And if Howe extends his contract then I'll put it down as a mistake on Howe's part too and he'll need to own it.

 

Him staying or leaving should be based on his talent and what he will offer the club on the pitch for the next 4 years. Being a canny lad and a good pro just isn't enough

[Displayname]

Noone is ever going to value him nearly as much as Eddie. So im pretty sure he is going to stay. Hopefully the clubs admin is going to keep the salary somewhat down though.

[geordie_b]

Needs to be given a contract just on the off chance they can pocket the PSR gains. A new contract will be considered peanuts compared to the jump in spending ability a £10-20m sale would give.

[1964]

13 hours ago, Holloway said:

He's clearly valued in our system.2 years on shit money is all he can expect,though

If by shit you mean life changing for the average man, then yeah 

[WilliamPS]

The squad is still wafer thin. Without Longstaff, who is proven as a competent PL cm there is only Joelinton, Bruno, Willock, Tonali with Miley coming through. with 433 Howe typically uses 5 CMs every game, so the squad needs 6 ideally 7 CMs to have any injury or suspension cover.

 

so do you really want to buy a backup CM next summer and take that budget away from CB and RW? Good chance anyone who comes in to replace him will be a similiar level, as the offer and budget is come be a backup. Lo ngstaff has only played so much as Tonali got himself a season long suspension

He may want to leave given the toxic element of the fan base is targeting him every game and he could go elsewhere and start. There’s a few players who got grief at Newcastle but had decent careers elsewhere, be the next Dan Gosling. But if he goes you can chop £10m off the budget for RW and CB to replace him.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

I don’t think he could start for anyone except the real bottom clubs mind. He wouldn’t contribute to anyone in a meaningful way. 

[TRon]

10 hours ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

Yeah of course, at some point. Question is just how many signings we want to make and/or not losing any profit we could get by selling him in the future. 
 

I understand either way TBH, but I’m sure we’ll extend him. 

 

His wages are going to be significantly higher than some prospect we could potentially sign if we give him a new contract. How much would Kobbie Mainoo have been earning a couple of years ago? This is the trade off if we want to keep him around in the squad on decent wages. He'll end up taking up the place of someone who could have a much higher ceiling.

 

[janpawel]

Come to think of it, I really don't like our midfield balance despite thinking we have some very good and talented / unique players there 

 

We never look good without Bruno, big Joe and little Joe can't play together in a 3, and seemingly can't play on the right hand side. Longstaff is our weakest and least talented, but one of our most trusted & reliable in a positional sense 

 

I think we have to give him a new contract, primarily so we don't lose him on a free, and I think getting a back up midfielder would be a waste of money considering our PSR situation and priorities, Tonali still working his way into the team etc 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Just now, janpawel said:

Come to think of it, I really don't like our midfield balance despite thinking we have some very good and talented / unique players there 

 

We never look good without Bruno, big Joe and little Joe can't play together in a 3, and seemingly can't play on the right hand side. Longstaff is our weakest and least talented, but one of our most trusted & reliable in a positional sense 

 

I think we have to give him a new contract, primarily so we don't lose him on a free, and I think getting a back up midfielder would be a waste of money considering our PSR situation and priorities, Tonali still working his way into the team etc 

Tonali is a guaranteed starter now. 

[gbandit]

I think Tonali is going to solve our midfield issues. Bruno, Jow and Tonali should be more than enough to dominate most sides in the middle, with Miley coming back to push for a place there. If three of the four above are playing and get used to playing together then we’ll see us control games more and more 

[Shearergol]

2 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

Tonali is a guaranteed starter now. 

 

Midfield would look 100 times better with Tonali and Bruno sitting and a new attacking midfielder brought in.

 

Or a new number 6 to sit behind Tonali and Bruno.

 

The problem is, we have neither a number 6 or a number 10 in our squad. We'll never have balance without either of those.

[Kanj]

Just for shits and giggles if we signed a top end DM / 6 who can get around the pitch and play some football, you unleash Tonali as an all action 8 and you could get away with Bruno playing even further up as a hybrid 10 / 8 and let him play ball. He can also go back to being his 8 role too. 
 

ideally id love for us to get a real proper attacking mid and young athletic defensive minded mid. Move on Longstaff and jury still out on Willock, who I wish would kick on! 

[Myleftboot]

16 minutes ago, Kanji said:

Just for shits and giggles if we signed a top end DM / 6 who can get around the pitch and play some football, you unleash Tonali as an all action 8 and you could get away with Bruno playing even further up as a hybrid 10 / 8 and let him play ball. He can also go back to being his 8 role too. 
 

ideally id love for us to get a real proper attacking mid and young athletic defensive minded mid. Move on Longstaff and jury still out on Willock, who I wish would kick on! 

A Tiote regen would be nice.

[Lotus]

I’ve been very slow to understand EH’s philosophy with the midfield but I think I’m starting to see idea with 3 players who can all do a bit of 6 & 8. It really requires CBs who are good at getting super tight when we’re without the ball. Burn is a mile away from that (though he’s good at other things).

I still feel we could use a midfielder who can read the game and whose 1st instinct is to protect. If we’re gelling well and our CBs are right up the arses of the oppo forwards then this 6ish CM can go and press higher with the other 2. 

 

 

Edited October 2, 2024 by Lotus

[Kanj]

3 hours ago, Lotus said:

I’ve been very slow to understand EH’s philosophy with the midfield but I think I’m starting to see idea with 3 players who can all do a bit of 6 & 8. It really requires CBs who are good at getting super tight when we’re without the ball. Burn is a mile away from that (though he’s good at other things).

I still feel we could use a midfielder who can read the game and whose 1st instinct is to protect. If we’re gelling well and our CBs are right up the arses of the oppo forwards then this 6ish CM can go and press higher with the other 2. 

 

 

 

 

Schar and Botman were relentless with this in our 4th season. Trips and Burn were too tbf. 

[Ronson333]

Thought he looked energetic and decent when he came on, looking to move the ball forwards and much sharper with his passing than usual. Must be the Tonali effect 😀

[Joelinton7]

Honestly not bothered if he looks energetic. He’s not a footballer and we need to move on from him. Miley instantly goes in ahead of him for me. Doesn’t lose the ball anywhere near as much and is better offensively.

[Yorkie]

12 minutes ago, Ronson333 said:

Thought he looked energetic and decent when he came on, looking to move the ball forwards and much sharper with his passing than usual. Must be the Tonali effect 😀

 

Agreed. Not the first time he's made a good contribution from the bench this season; he a good option to have when legs are tiring.

[Lotus]

49 minutes ago, Yorkie said:

 

Agreed. Not the first time he's made a good contribution from the bench this season; he a good option to have when legs are tiring.

He was ok and looked better just by the virtue of not giving it away (much). I say this as someone who likes him but tbh he didn’t do anything I wouldn’t have expected Jeff Hendrick to have done. 
 

[Heron]

Tonali pass success 33/45 (73%)

Trippier pass success 62/75 (83%)

Bruno pass success 71/79 (90%)

Joelinton pass success 47/51 (92%)

Longstaff pass success 19/20 (95%)

 

Longstaff was only on the pitch for 23 minutes as well.

 

I thought Trippier and Tonali were both actually a bit more sloppy with possession than usual, as they have very, very high standards and ability and were often under hitting passes or simply trying difficult balls which they are capable of achieving but simply didn't.

 

Longstaff did virtually nowt wrong when he came on.

 

 

Edited October 6, 2024 by Heron

[gbandit]

Was a decent cameo and important to have fresh legs. Hope he can keep coming on and playing well as he can help the squad a lot that way 

[David Edgar]

Longstaff played against tired legs when the game had opened up, allowing lots of space to operate in. 

 

Tonali was poor mind. Begining to think he is obviously the guy we overpaid for.

[Heron]

6 minutes ago, David Edgar said:

Longstaff played against tired legs when the game had opened up, allowing lots of space to operate in. 

 

Tonali was poor mind. Begining to think he is obviously the guy we overpaid for.

 

So did Livramento, Willock and Almiron who also achieved less percentage wise and in terms of number of attempts, purely from a passing point of view.

 

Tonali is undoubtedly the better option, that's not my point, but the point I am trying to make is folk (not necessarily you) would seemingly prefer to highlight how shit he (Longstaff) has or has not been as opposed to simply saying he did well when he came on.

 

 

Edited October 6, 2024 by Heron

[Hanshithispantz]

I doubt Longstaff running himself into the ground all season does himself any good in terms of his average performances like.

 

It's one of his possitives that he can do that, but hopefully playing less lets him play with a bit more zip.