Yorkie Posted December 18, 2006 Share Posted December 18, 2006 £10m in Jan? Sylvain Distin - £2m Leighton Baines - £6m Mark Viduka - £2m Lassana Diarra - Loan, Option to Buy Nobby, Taylor, Huntington, Carr all available at right-back; save that for the summer. Centre-back needed and signed. Left-back needed and signed (questionable availability but i doubt Wigan would sniff at that). Presence in box + goalscorer needed and signed. Butt replacement needed and signed. Sorted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted December 18, 2006 Share Posted December 18, 2006 £10m in Jan? Sylvain Distin - £2m Leighton Baines - £6m Mark Viduka - £2m Lassana Diarra - Loan, Option to Buy Nobby, Taylor, Huntington, Carr all available at right-back; save that for the summer. Centre-back needed and signed. Left-back needed and signed (questionable availability but i doubt Wigan would sniff at that). Presence in box + goalscorer needed and signed. Butt replacement needed and signed. Sorted. Don't think we would get Distin for £2m. More like £3.5m I would guess. I rate Baines, would hope to pick him up slightly cheaper than that though. As said earlier, for an extra bit of money I think Beattie would represent a much better, and more motivated investment than Viduka. I think Roeder has been quoted in the Chronicle recently as saying he doesn't want the fat aussie anymore anyway. Don't know enough about Diarra to comment but, anyone on loan, would be welcome by me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Nguyen Van Falk Posted December 18, 2006 Share Posted December 18, 2006 The Ajax left back, Urby Emanuelson looks a really good young player, but I remember reading somewhere that Roeder had been to watch him play, and didn't think he was any better than our current players! Nah, Ajax told Roeder to piss off with every intention he had of signing him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shaun11177 Posted December 18, 2006 Share Posted December 18, 2006 Chelsea are not going to sell Bridge as Mourinho is moaning about a lack of Defenders. Baines would cost the same as Chimbonda methinks-5m minimum. Every Manager seems to be saying i need 2-3 players in January though where are all these players are going to come from is anyones guess. Priority must be 2 fullbacks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted December 18, 2006 Share Posted December 18, 2006 I know it's crap replying to a post like this... but the way you set your post out it's probably the best way. £10m in Jan? Sylvain Distin - £2m Leighton Baines - £6m Mark Viduka - £2m Lassana Diarra - Loan, Option to Buy Nobby, Taylor, Huntington, Carr all available at right-back; save that for the summer. Centre-back needed and signed. Left-back needed and signed (questionable availability but i doubt Wigan would sniff at that). Presence in box + goalscorer needed and signed. Butt replacement needed and signed. Sorted. Don't think we would get Distin for £2m. More like £3.5m I would guess. Possibly, but i think they might just be pleased to collect a fee. Distin doesn't seem to want to stay so City are going to want to cash in. Besides, Roeder says he doesn't want him - which is just daft in my opinion. We're crying out for a leader at the back, and there's one going on the cheap - yet Roeder is turning his nose up at him. Typical Transfer Window Roederness. I rate Baines, would hope to pick him up slightly cheaper than that though. Don't really care tbh. We want to go cheaper, we'll end up with lesser players. Baines will be worth £6m in time, probably not at the moment, but he's a quality defender in the making, and already pretty damned good at the moment. How many of those have we signed? I'd rather we spend than settle for another Baba. As said earlier, for an extra bit of money I think Beattie would represent a much better, and more motivated investment than Viduka. Don't really see why. Beattie can't score for toffee (no pun intended), and he'd cost more than Viduka - probably £4/5m, which is too much for a stopgap. Viduka is someone who will stand in the box and wait for the ball, and just score. That's EXACTLY what we need. I think Roeder has been quoted in the Chronicle recently as saying he doesn't want the fat aussie anymore anyway. Don't know enough about Diarra to comment but, anyone on loan, would be welcome by me. Nor do i mate. But he's a defensive midfielder with potential, who came to Chelsea very highly regarded and was good in his first few games apparantely. Loaning him with option to buy would a great idea imo - see what he's like. We're gonna need a replacement for Butt, may aswell start looking now! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted December 18, 2006 Share Posted December 18, 2006 Roeder quoted as saying he doesnt want Distin or Zat Knight( thank god) According to Oliver we dont want Viduka anymore and i may have read a quote from Roeder confirming this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted December 18, 2006 Share Posted December 18, 2006 Roeder's written off a few defenders. I'm beginning to wonder whether or not he's after a centre-back tbh. We have four of them after all... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted December 18, 2006 Share Posted December 18, 2006 Rather have no new CB and two new FB Rather e no have no new CB than Zat Knight Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted December 18, 2006 Share Posted December 18, 2006 Goalkeepers are absolutely no problem at all, barring another injury crisis. Given, Harper, Srnicek and Krul make for an excellent pool to choose from with all the right qualities necessary. We're absolutely blessed in this department and have been for years now, it's probably been good to have Pav around the place this season and I wonder if he might be kept on in some capacity next season to help Krul out (we might even see Harper leaving for a fee and Pav staying on as 3rd choice if Tim gets "promoted" to second choice.) Might make sense financially that way around, despite leaving us slightly worse-off squadwise. In the defence a CB must be a priority with our current injuries and the fact that Moore is definitely in 6 months, not to mention that Bramble and Moore are both very injury prone anyway. Despite our shoddiness in the fullback areas, I reckon a centre-half is the position we'll strengthen first due to the lack of cover there (whereas there is Solano/Duff/Carr/Babayaro/Taylor/Ramage/Huntington for the wide areas.) In an ideal world we'd get a pair of new fullbacks as well, but Roeder might hang on until summer in order to get the best players he can/until more cash is available. Still would hope that Bridge could be bought, despite his new contract (he's only played 17 minutes in the last 3 league games since he signed it.) The midfield doesn't need any adjustments and hopefully we won't see anyone sold just yet, in the summer I'd like to see Butt replaced by a top-class defensive midfielder with a bit of height/pace and better passing ability, but right now I think we have a good enough midfield group to do what is required. It seems to be nailed-on that we're also in the market for a striker with Rossi and Luque leaving imminently/being fairly useless. Sibierski, Dyer and Martins can possibly be described as our "front men" at the minute, so I see us as having only one option here for both the short-term and long-term - to attempt to sign a high quality "target man" of a striker to play the role Sibierski has been to a much higher level. Antoine is an average player, he always has been, yet he has performed this role brilliantly - but think what a specialist target man could offer to us and the goals he would score with our wingers and with Martins beside him. We need an aerial threat up front and while Sibierski has exceeded expectations he really struggles at times to compete with the sheer brute force of a lot of the Premiership's central defenders, even when Ameobi is fit he isn't at all adept at this side of the game and disrupts a team's flow rather than adds to it (hopefully we'll get shot of him in the summer or he won't be any better than 4th choice). Someone like Dean Ashton would be a perfect signing for this season and for the future, but it's massively unlikely now that West Ham are on the rise. Viduka would only be a stopgap in my eyes due to his age, and he gets injued/uninterested an awful lot of the time so would be a massive gamble. Darren Bent is too similar to Martins/Owen in the fact that he's an agile forward who scores goals rather than creating them, I'm not entirely sure if Bent/Owen or Bent/Martins would work but he might be our only realistic option with Charlton looking increasingly likely to take the plunge and Bent would be an investment as well, I suppose. I'd love Peter Crouch to come here, beanpoletastic! Again it's really unlikely. To sum up: a) a big target man, b) a big, experienced centre-half and c) a quality left-back. Not sure if £10m will buy those three these days, let's hope some fools give us cash for Luque. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
black_n_white Posted December 18, 2006 Share Posted December 18, 2006 A left back would be of more importance tbh. Taylor and Ramage seem to be working up a good partnership...id give them till end of season and then look for a top quality CB in the summer. A target man to cover of even replace Sib would also be important as we dont have anyone else fit who can hold balls up and bring midfielders into play. There has to be someone else other than Viduka tho...lets be honest he's had his day and is also lazy (in other words a bit shit!)....Peter Crouch...what a good signing that would be but yes very unlikly unless liverpool have other strikers in mind in Jan? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted December 18, 2006 Share Posted December 18, 2006 Bent is similar to Owen, he isn't similar to Martins. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted December 18, 2006 Share Posted December 18, 2006 Powerful, quick, runs directly at opponents, scores goals, hits the ball extremely hard, not particularly tall but decent in the air, same age, can use both feet (although not as well as Oba)... aye Yorkie, he's not like Martins at all. I'd say he's more like Martins than Owen and I'm not convinced he could work with either because none of them are target men or playmaking forwards, I know people class Martins as a "second striker" but from what we've seen of his link-up play and his passing I'd hardly call him a playmaking striker in the mould of a Gudjohnsen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted December 18, 2006 Share Posted December 18, 2006 Martins is more of a playmaker than a natural goalscorer. Bent is a natural goalscorer. Which is one of the reasons why i think Bent and Martins would work together. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnypd Posted December 18, 2006 Share Posted December 18, 2006 Bent is similar to Owen, he isn't similar to Martins. Bent used to be similar to Owen a few years ago. But he's changed a lot since signing for Charlton. USed to be a quick, sprightly penalty box striker, who'd score poacher's goals. Since then he's developed physically, bulked up a hell of a lot without losing any of his acceleration, and he's actually the same height as Shearer. He's played as the lone striker so his lateral movement across the pitch has improved as has his ability to hold up the ball. I think he'd complement Martins fairly well, with only reservations being that his ball control is not top-class, and that he doesn't create chances for others. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted December 18, 2006 Share Posted December 18, 2006 Martins is more of a playmaker than a natural goalscorer. Bent is a natural goalscorer. Which is one of the reasons why i think Bent and Martins would work together. I haven't seen anything from Martins at NUFC yet that makes him out as more of a playmaker than a goalscorer, maybe that part of his game is still to come when the right partner comes along. He's under pressure to score being the number 9 so that's what he's been doing. Bent, Owen and Martins is one hell of a "samey" trio of players to my mind, we're crying out for some options in the striking positions - Sibierski has served to highlight how effective target men can be when used correctly (in the Ashton/Sheringham mould of holding the ball and playing intelligent passes/lay-offs), if Martins can play that sort of role then fantastic but I can't support us spending a wedge on Bent when we already have Martins, Dyer and Owen capabale of doing the nippy striker bit. As for Bent being the same height as Shearer, true though it is I'm fairly certain he doesn't have anything like the nouse/strength of Big Al during his time here as partner to Bellamy/Owen in order to be as effective. Although Shearer's hold up play had disintegrated greatly by the time Owen came along. If it's Bent or nothing, then I'd obviously take him because he scores goals (as you've said), but if there are alternative options available then I think we need to explore them first. He could be moulded into being exactly what we need, in regards to Johnny's points, he's still young enough to greatly improve on a lot of the aspects of his game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted December 18, 2006 Share Posted December 18, 2006 I know it's crap replying to a post like this... but the way you set your post out it's probably the best way. £10m in Jan? Sylvain Distin - £2m Leighton Baines - £6m Mark Viduka - £2m Lassana Diarra - Loan, Option to Buy Nobby, Taylor, Huntington, Carr all available at right-back; save that for the summer. Centre-back needed and signed. Left-back needed and signed (questionable availability but i doubt Wigan would sniff at that). Presence in box + goalscorer needed and signed. Butt replacement needed and signed. Sorted. Don't think we would get Distin for £2m. More like £3.5m I would guess. Possibly, but i think they might just be pleased to collect a fee. Distin doesn't seem to want to stay so City are going to want to cash in. Besides, Roeder says he doesn't want him - which is just daft in my opinion. We're crying out for a leader at the back, and there's one going on the cheap - yet Roeder is turning his nose up at him. Typical Transfer Window Roederness. I rate Baines, would hope to pick him up slightly cheaper than that though. Don't really care tbh. We want to go cheaper, we'll end up with lesser players. Baines will be worth £6m in time, probably not at the moment, but he's a quality defender in the making, and already pretty damned good at the moment. How many of those have we signed? I'd rather we spend than settle for another Baba. As said earlier, for an extra bit of money I think Beattie would represent a much better, and more motivated investment than Viduka. Don't really see why. Beattie can't score for toffee (no pun intended), and he'd cost more than Viduka - probably £4/5m, which is too much for a stopgap. Viduka is someone who will stand in the box and wait for the ball, and just score. That's EXACTLY what we need. I think Roeder has been quoted in the Chronicle recently as saying he doesn't want the fat aussie anymore anyway. Don't know enough about Diarra to comment but, anyone on loan, would be welcome by me. Nor do i mate. But he's a defensive midfielder with potential, who came to Chelsea very highly regarded and was good in his first few games apparantely. Loaning him with option to buy would a great idea imo - see what he's like. We're gonna need a replacement for Butt, may aswell start looking now! I agree with you on Distin and think he'd be a useful asset. Having said that, as I said regarding Curtis Davies earlier, I'm not sure how much of a leader old Sylvain is. I'd still test Man City though. As you say, Baines is one for the future, but we would have to pay an absolute premium for him now. I'm not 100% convinced he is worth the risk of spending say £6m on him. I haven't seen enough of him. I'd hope Glenn and his scouts know enough about him by now to make a judgement on whether he's be worth such a significant outlay. Still don't agree with you about Viduka. He'd cost about £2m and give you a years service, on BIG wages. It would be his final payday. We'd recoup fuck all of this £2m too. If we spent £4m on Beattie, we'd get (minimum) 3 years service, on reasonable wages, he'd be motivated to prove Moyes wrong and to try to get anywhere near Shearers (his hero's) God-like status and, if it didn't work, we'd still recoup at least 50% of the fee. Therefore, do we spend about £2m on an ageing, overweight, lazy Aussie OR an Englishman, who is younger, more motivated with a point to prove for the same price/loss? It just seems a no brainer. Next season you play Beattie down the middle with Owen and Martins either side. Having Sib and Shola on the bench. I guess I don't see it as a stopgap, like you do, or rather don't see why the signing NEEDS to be a stopgap. Hell, even if we play 4-4-2 next year, why not have Beattie & Shola on the bench and Sib making up a Mid/Fwd position for the squad. Sorry for harping on about this but I see January as an opportunity to really add depth to the squad for the medium term, not just for a year or two and I've only suggested players who would not plummet in value (a la Luque) and are therefore low risk from an investment viewpoint. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iklgizmo Posted December 18, 2006 Share Posted December 18, 2006 i actually agree about beattie, if we could get him for absolutly no more than 3 million i think he would be worth a go. He has prem experience and a major major point to prove. So many players leave us and go on to be better, its about time we took someone who was getting slated at another club and gave them a chance. And like you said, if he is crap we would be able to get a bit of money back Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggio Posted December 18, 2006 Share Posted December 18, 2006 Just watching Fulham vs Boro, gutted we didn't follow up our interest in Yakubu when he was at Portsmouth Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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