Mike Ashley (former owner) (still alive)

[TRon]

Keegan's 2nd spell as manager was my favourite as an NUFC fan. We had a new billionaire owner and Kev was as optimistic as ever. It took a few games for us to get out of the Allarswamp but once we did it was brilliant. I could hardly believe how fast he was able to turn Fat Sam's anti-football turd into something beautiful. It was the most hope I've ever felt.

Clearly a crazy opinion of you're old enough to remember the first spell, but I'm not so I get what you mean. Loads of optimism at that time.

Haha I was there for the first first spell too, but I just loved the hope that his second spell brought. It was happening again and we had a billionaire owner who wore a Newcastle shirt. And things on the pitch were changing dead fast. I was strapped in for the ride.

 

Nah, no way. I am not having that there is anyone who would choose Keegan's 2nd time over the first.

 

Neither am I. Don't get me wrong, his transformation of Fat Sam's horrendous football was miraculous indeed, but nothing will ever compare to the Keegan management yrs Mk1.

 

The whole country was rocking, not just this city.

[Guest Howaythetoon]

Sorry but the burden to bail out staff shouldn’t be placed on the players, yes they are millionaires, but it’s easy to attack them when I guarantee no-one here would allocate some of their own wages to pay the wages of colleagues, the responsibility falls on the club and game really and shows the club up and the game in the worst possible light. And for all we know the players themselves might be doing things we don’t hear about to help out the situation.

 

Mind, under a KK or a Sir Bobby or a Rafa I’m sure the playing/coaching staff would have chipped in to help out general staff. There is no strong leadership or any at all at the club and the culture has stunk for so long now.

 

I reckon the NUST should pay something towards staff wages anyway...

[Guest neesy111]

Players will have to take pay cuts, it's inevitable.  Doesn't matter whether you are a football club or not, almost all businesses are starting to have massive cashflow problems.  If they genuinly care for the club they pay for, they'll have to take a temporary pay cut.

[Happinesstan]

Sorry but the burden to bail out staff shouldn’t be placed on the players, yes they are millionaires, but it’s easy to attack them when I guarantee no-one here would allocate some of their own wages to pay the wages of colleagues, the responsibility falls on the club and game really and shows the club up and the game in the worst possible light. And for all we know the players themselves might be doing things we don’t hear about to help out the situation.

 

Mind, under a KK or a Sir Bobby or a Rafa I’m sure the playing/coaching staff would have chipped in to help out general staff. There is no strong leadership or any at all at the club and the culture has stunk for so long now.

 

I reckon the NUST should pay something towards staff wages anyway...

 

Of course it isn't down to other staff members to pay other's wages, but if you're earning the average annual salary, weekly, then you can afford to do without for a year. It's not as if they're earning their wage.

[Guest Howaythetoon]

Players will have to take pay cuts, it's inevitable.  Doesn't matter whether you are a football club or not, almost all businesses are starting to have massive cashflow problems.  If they genuinly care for the club they pay for, they'll have to take a temporary pay cut.

 

Oh aye, definitely, but to expect them to pay others’ wages?!

 

It’s not even about caring for their club, it’s about making sure they have a club to go back to after this. I can’t imagine just how much more badly this will effect a footy club given how badly it will effect my own business, talking huge sums here. I’d suspend all wages to be paid back in full once footy resumes for the players if it was my club and pay general staff, just to ease cash flow.

 

Players mortgages etc. will be frozen anyway and any finance for cars etc. I guarantee they can get them frozen too. We are in the process of sorting our own in comparison piddling little finance owed out.

[Guest Howaythetoon]

Sorry but the burden to bail out staff shouldn’t be placed on the players, yes they are millionaires, but it’s easy to attack them when I guarantee no-one here would allocate some of their own wages to pay the wages of colleagues, the responsibility falls on the club and game really and shows the club up and the game in the worst possible light. And for all we know the players themselves might be doing things we don’t hear about to help out the situation.

 

Mind, under a KK or a Sir Bobby or a Rafa I’m sure the playing/coaching staff would have chipped in to help out general staff. There is no strong leadership or any at all at the club and the culture has stunk for so long now.

 

I reckon the NUST should pay something towards staff wages anyway...

 

Of course it isn't down to other staff members to pay other's wages, but if you're earning the average annual salary, weekly, then you can afford to do without for a year. It's not as if they're earning their wage.

 

They have expenses too and again why should they go without a years salary? The onus is on the club to pay for staff and if it can’t, then the onus is on the government provide some relief and after that...

 

 

[Happinesstan]

Sorry but the burden to bail out staff shouldn’t be placed on the players, yes they are millionaires, but it’s easy to attack them when I guarantee no-one here would allocate some of their own wages to pay the wages of colleagues, the responsibility falls on the club and game really and shows the club up and the game in the worst possible light. And for all we know the players themselves might be doing things we don’t hear about to help out the situation.

 

Mind, under a KK or a Sir Bobby or a Rafa I’m sure the playing/coaching staff would have chipped in to help out general staff. There is no strong leadership or any at all at the club and the culture has stunk for so long now.

 

I reckon the NUST should pay something towards staff wages anyway...

 

Of course it isn't down to other staff members to pay other's wages, but if you're earning the average annual salary, weekly, then you can afford to do without for a year. It's not as if they're earning their wage.

 

They have expenses too and again why should they go without a years salary? The onus is on the club to pay for staff and if it can’t, then the onus is on the government provide some relief and after that...

 

If they don't have savings to draw upon I have no sympathy.

 

The only justification for their ridiculous salaries is that they ern the club more, that ain't happening right now.

[Sean]

Yes lets all have sympathy for PL footballers at a time like this. 

[Guest Howaythetoon]

No sympathy, but howay man

 

 

[TooonDoom]

Sorry but the burden to bail out staff shouldn’t be placed on the players, yes they are millionaires, but it’s easy to attack them when I guarantee no-one here would allocate some of their own wages to pay the wages of colleagues, the responsibility falls on the club and game really and shows the club up and the game in the worst possible light. And for all we know the players themselves might be doing things we don’t hear about to help out the situation.

 

Mind, under a KK or a Sir Bobby or a Rafa I’m sure the playing/coaching staff would have chipped in to help out general staff. There is no strong leadership or any at all at the club and the culture has stunk for so long now.

 

I reckon the NUST should pay something towards staff wages anyway...

 

Of course it isn't down to other staff members to pay other's wages, but if you're earning the average annual salary, weekly, then you can afford to do without for a year. It's not as if they're earning their wage.

 

They have expenses too and again why should they go without a years salary? The onus is on the club to pay for staff and if it can’t, then the onus is on the government provide some relief and after that...

 

 

 

government == us (through tax)

 

on a company maying a profit (2019 overall profit after tax of £18.6m). 

Owned by a billionaire. 

 

NUFC using the bailout is completely humiliating.  It is morally corrupt.

 

I don't want to associated with a company that does this.

[Kanj]

Not sure it’d be as believable coming from Waugh. Caulkin gives it credibility.

 

Do you subscribe to the athletic?

[Guest Howaythetoon]

Sorry but the burden to bail out staff shouldn’t be placed on the players, yes they are millionaires, but it’s easy to attack them when I guarantee no-one here would allocate some of their own wages to pay the wages of colleagues, the responsibility falls on the club and game really and shows the club up and the game in the worst possible light. And for all we know the players themselves might be doing things we don’t hear about to help out the situation.

 

Mind, under a KK or a Sir Bobby or a Rafa I’m sure the playing/coaching staff would have chipped in to help out general staff. There is no strong leadership or any at all at the club and the culture has stunk for so long now.

 

I reckon the NUST should pay something towards staff wages anyway...

 

Of course it isn't down to other staff members to pay other's wages, but if you're earning the average annual salary, weekly, then you can afford to do without for a year. It's not as if they're earning their wage.

 

They have expenses too and again why should they go without a years salary? The onus is on the club to pay for staff and if it can’t, then the onus is on the government provide some relief and after that...

 

 

 

government == us (through tax)

 

on a company maying a profit (2019 overall profit after tax of £18.6m). 

Owned by a billionaire. 

 

NUFC using the bailout is completely humiliating.  It is morally corrupt.

 

I don't want to associated with a company that does this.

 

I agree, my point is, the players themselves shouldn’t have to bail out staff. Now if they took a pay cut so the club could pay others, great, but we know that won’t happen.

[Happinesstan]

Sorry but the burden to bail out staff shouldn’t be placed on the players, yes they are millionaires, but it’s easy to attack them when I guarantee no-one here would allocate some of their own wages to pay the wages of colleagues, the responsibility falls on the club and game really and shows the club up and the game in the worst possible light. And for all we know the players themselves might be doing things we don’t hear about to help out the situation.

 

Mind, under a KK or a Sir Bobby or a Rafa I’m sure the playing/coaching staff would have chipped in to help out general staff. There is no strong leadership or any at all at the club and the culture has stunk for so long now.

 

I reckon the NUST should pay something towards staff wages anyway...

 

Of course it isn't down to other staff members to pay other's wages, but if you're earning the average annual salary, weekly, then you can afford to do without for a year. It's not as if they're earning their wage.

 

They have expenses too and again why should they go without a years salary? The onus is on the club to pay for staff and if it can’t, then the onus is on the government provide some relief and after that...

 

 

 

government == us (through tax)

 

on a company maying a profit (2019 overall profit after tax of £18.6m). 

Owned by a billionaire. 

 

NUFC using the bailout is completely humiliating.  It is morally corrupt.

 

I don't want to associated with a company that does this.

 

I agree, my point is, the players themselves shouldn’t have to bail out staff. Now if they took a pay cut so the club could pay others, great, but we know that won’t happen.

 

Same thing. Nobody is suggesting that the players get the staff in on pay day and divvy up their pay packet. Logistically it would be a nightmare.

[TooonDoom]

Sorry but the burden to bail out staff shouldn’t be placed on the players, yes they are millionaires, but it’s easy to attack them when I guarantee no-one here would allocate some of their own wages to pay the wages of colleagues, the responsibility falls on the club and game really and shows the club up and the game in the worst possible light. And for all we know the players themselves might be doing things we don’t hear about to help out the situation.

 

Mind, under a KK or a Sir Bobby or a Rafa I’m sure the playing/coaching staff would have chipped in to help out general staff. There is no strong leadership or any at all at the club and the culture has stunk for so long now.

 

I reckon the NUST should pay something towards staff wages anyway...

 

Of course it isn't down to other staff members to pay other's wages, but if you're earning the average annual salary, weekly, then you can afford to do without for a year. It's not as if they're earning their wage.

 

They have expenses too and again why should they go without a years salary? The onus is on the club to pay for staff and if it can’t, then the onus is on the government provide some relief and after that...

 

 

 

government == us (through tax)

 

on a company maying a profit (2019 overall profit after tax of £18.6m). 

Owned by a billionaire. 

 

NUFC using the bailout is completely humiliating.  It is morally corrupt.

 

I don't want to associated with a company that does this.

 

I agree, my point is, the players themselves shouldn’t have to bail out staff. Now if they took a pay cut so the club could pay others, great, but we know that won’t happen.

 

Yeah agree.  The two things are not linked in my mind. 

 

I do think that:

 

1. The players should get paid less - this is just a moral thing again.

2. The club should spend less on transfers - to cover the cost of the employees wages.

[Stifler]

Probably the wrong thread to discuss this really.

 

If I was a player under this regime and say I wanted to give back to others in this situation (and it happens with lots of players even outside of this situation) then I would be looking at this situation and seeing how I can best help others.

 

A player could take a pay cut or even give up their wages entirely, the club would still likely furlough the remaining staff.

If that is the case is it better for me to just keep my £60k a week wages and give this to chartities, non-playing staff, others who are suffering?

 

People are too quick to call footballers greedy and such. You honestly don’t hear about the good they actually do.

For example I saw a documentary with Defoe a few years back. Back in Jamaica he has given money to the local community so they can build houses, hospitals, schools etc. He’s been doing that since he turned pro, it took over 10 years for anyone to talk about it.

James Milner gives the majority of his money away to a charity he created.

People don’t talk about this.

I bet theirs loads of players out there helping people financially.

[Kanj]

Or the “billionaire” owner could sell the club to someone who has far deeper pockets and who has the ability to carry the costs of owning a business like NUFC in good and bad times.

[Dr Jinx]

Perhaps the non playing staff side of things, for example the numerous business development managers they have selling corporate packages won’t be needed by the new owners.

 

I can’t see the Saudi PIF scrounging around for whatever change they can get out of people. Sure there will be corporate boxes still but they will probably go to much higher bidders who will be attempting to do business with the elite.

 

My take on it is that if the club have laid them off. Then new owners come back in, that’s one less headache of letting dozens of people go and having to deal with compensation. Or having to deal with the bad publicity that goes along with it.

[Judge Holden]

Perhaps the non playing staff side of things, for example the numerous business development managers they have selling corporate packages won’t be needed by the new owners.

 

I can’t see the Saudi PIF scrounging around for whatever change they can get out of people. Sure there will be corporate boxes still but they will probably go to much higher bidders who will be attempting to do business with the elite.

 

My take on it is that if the club have laid them off. Then new owners come back in, that’s one less headache of letting dozens of people go and having to deal with compensation. Or having to deal with the bad publicity that goes along with it.

 

Most likely the club has laid them off and there's no new owners

[nufcjb]

Er.. Why is the player wage issues discussed here? Some derailment happened?

[Penn]

Er.. Why is the player wage issues discussed here? Some derailment happened?

 

Mods! Please ban those responsible!

[Dr Jinx]

Perhaps the non playing staff side of things, for example the numerous business development managers they have selling corporate packages won’t be needed by the new owners.

 

I can’t see the Saudi PIF scrounging around for whatever change they can get out of people. Sure there will be corporate boxes still but they will probably go to much higher bidders who will be attempting to do business with the elite.

 

My take on it is that if the club have laid them off. Then new owners come back in, that’s one less headache of letting dozens of people go and having to deal with compensation. Or having to deal with the bad publicity that goes along with it.

 

Most likely the club has laid them off and there's no new owners

 

The club would need those people more than ever if there’s no new owners.

[Judge Holden]

Perhaps the non playing staff side of things, for example the numerous business development managers they have selling corporate packages won’t be needed by the new owners.

 

I can’t see the Saudi PIF scrounging around for whatever change they can get out of people. Sure there will be corporate boxes still but they will probably go to much higher bidders who will be attempting to do business with the elite.

 

My take on it is that if the club have laid them off. Then new owners come back in, that’s one less headache of letting dozens of people go and having to deal with compensation. Or having to deal with the bad publicity that goes along with it.

 

Most likely the club has laid them off and there's no new owners

 

The club would need those people more than ever if there’s no new owners.

 

There's no new owners.

[wyn davies]

another wage saving scheme by the fat one, he must be losing hand money over first with the stores he has closed, whether it's house of frazer or whoever, Debenhams won 't be exactly helping either.

[Strawberry]

Meanwhile sources in Saudi are speculating who will be our chairman. 

 

 

 

M e s h a l

@iTTVV

رئـاسة نادي نيوكاسل بيـن لؤي نـاظر و سعود السويلم .

Translated from Arabic by

Newcastle Club Presidency between Louay Nazer and Saud Al-Swailem.

10:28 AM · Apr 2, 2020·Twitter for iPhone

[Exiled in Texas]

I've always thought that Ashley will only sell up when he thinks he can earn more money by using his money for something else. 

 

While NUFC is chugging along in mediocrity, but he is pulling in a reasonable return on his investment, he will stay.  When he finds a new opportunity, where he can use the proceeds from a sale of Newcastle, to put it into a new business opportunity that will earn him more money he will be away is a flash.

 

To me the questions is whether NOW is the time (where the economy/state of business is in tatters) that he has found a new opportunity that has a bigger upside that status quo at NUFC.