kocunar Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 Just now, TheBrownBottle said: If it’s a rip off fee, then we shouldn’t worry. Other clubs will be queuing up to pay considerably more - that’s how market value is established Sure, but would be pretty telling where we stand in the Saudi pecking order. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 1 hour ago, reefatoon said: Because nobody wants the has beens! Christ it isn’t rocket science. We would sell them first if anyone wanted them. I’m sure we could scrape together £25M without selling a vital asset to the team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toon88 Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 Just want him sold now, and for us to move on. He’ll be forgotten rather quickly, as we have superior players now, who are more effective. People are just stuck in the Ashley/Bruce era. ASM clearly wanted to leave, the club and manager wanted him sold, and it helps us massively with FFP. Not sure what people need to discuss. It’s best for all parties involved. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 1 minute ago, kocunar said: Sure, but would be pretty telling where we stand in the Saudi pecking order. Yep. They’re buying a player our manager doesn’t fancy, who none of ours rivals would sign, and appears to attracting zero interest from any other PL club for that matter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLC Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 7 minutes ago, Shadow Puppets said: Another angle to throw in… I know for a fact (from various horses mouths) that Maxi is not a popular figure in the dressing room. I think it's telling that he has rarely (or maybe never?) contributed to those club video shorts where various members of the squad give mini-interviews on favourite moments, goals, players etc. While they are entertaining and occasionally insightful, they also underline the team ethos. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LV Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 3 minutes ago, kocunar said: Sure, but would be pretty telling where we stand in the Saudi pecking order. Of course we are below their own league in the pecking order. It’s a major political goal for their nation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LV Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 3 minutes ago, Nowhere Man said: I’m sure we could scrape together £25M without selling a vital asset to the team. Of course we can. The money isn’t the issue, it’s that’s we’re already at the FFP ceiling and have no wiggle room to spend that money without adjusting the FFP numbers. Jesus…. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LV Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 This transfer has really brought out the inner daftie hasn't it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloGeordio Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 Just now, LV said: Of course we can. The money isn’t the issue, it’s that’s we’re already at the FFP ceiling and have no wiggle room to spend that money without adjusting the FFP numbers. Jesus…. nobody fucks with the Jesus! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 Honestly, I wish some would spend a few minutes not whining on Internet forums and actually read up on FF fucking P. And that doesn’t even account for the fact that ASM isn’t a top-rank footballer, and clearly Howe doesn’t fancy him. And I’m far more inclined to go with the manager’s judgement than some bloke on the internet who enjoys ASM mad skillz vids on YouTube to 200bpm radgetastic new monkey dance gash. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kocunar Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 Just now, LV said: Of course we can. The money isn’t the issue, it’s that’s we’re already at the FFP ceiling and have no wiggle room to spend that money without adjusting the FFP numbers. Jesus…. We can sign 2 £100m players this summer before hitting the FFP limit. If we sell him, it's not for FFP, but because we think his value will only drop, which I agree with. I would just hope we do a good job with getting a decent price for him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 1 hour ago, Jack27 said: How does this actually play out at PIF HQ? Is it like a game of Monopoly? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 Just now, kocunar said: We can sign 2 £100m players this summer before hitting the FFP limit. If we sell him, it's not for FFP, but because we think his value will only drop, which I agree with. I would just hope we do a good job with getting a decent price for him. No we can’t. We literally cannot. Fuck me no wonder some on here are going to be foaming in September. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 14 minutes ago, jigen said: For Saudi media you have offered 95m for Kvaratskhelia. I don't know if this is true... If you can't buy Kvara, simply keep ASM and not buy Barnes. Or you will have a weaker team. We can't afford £35m for Barnes without selling Maxi, so I'll let you figure that out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyn davies Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 1 minute ago, kocunar said: We can sign 2 £100m players this summer before hitting the FFP limit. If we sell him, it's not for FFP, but because we think his value will only drop, which I agree with. I would just hope we do a good job with getting a decent price for him. While it's been mentioned about ASM value dropping, I would also sell Miggy for exactly same reason, he is also at his peak. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloGeordio Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 I honestly believe Eddie doesn’t fancy him as part of what he wants in the squad. Not just on the pitch but off it, and yes now is an opportunity to sell and they will. He’ll say all the right things, but I think he wants him gone. Eddie wants machine like players not mavericks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegans Export Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 3 minutes ago, kocunar said: We can sign 2 £100m players this summer before hitting the FFP limit. If we sell him, it's not for FFP, but because we think his value will only drop, which I agree with. I would just hope we do a good job with getting a decent price for him. Surely you can understand why our aim isn't to hit the FFP limit though? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 Just now, Skeletor said: We can't afford £35m for Barnes without selling Maxi, so I'll let you figure that out. We're not selling ASM to buy Barnes though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 40 minutes ago, The Prophet said: I'm not an accountant, but as I understand it... If we get £30 million ASM, minus the value of his remaining contract, we can immediately put say £26 million on the balance sheet. If we sign a player for £40 million over five years, plus his contract value, that's circa £10 million this year's books. So in theory at least it allows you to sign two £40 million players with a good chunk towards another. But aren't we a fair way off breaking any FFP rules? Like we could spend £100m and still be fine, just obviously less in the pot going forward without improving our finantial situation some way? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzla Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 20 minutes ago, Shadow Puppets said: Another angle to throw in… I know for a fact (from various horses mouths) that Maxi is not a popular figure in the dressing room. I've heard the same from senior level back-room staff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jigen Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 9 minutes ago, Nowhere Man said: I’m sure we could scrape together £25M without selling a vital asset to the team. Yes. Or simply don't buy Barnes. You have just buy Gordon and he has similar characteristics. ASM is a unique player. A player with the dribbling and skills of ASM is perfect for the CL, especially if you arrive in the knockout stages. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 2 minutes ago, The Prophet said: We're not selling ASM to buy Barnes though. We're not? Seems to me like that's exactly what we're doing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 Just now, Hanshithispantz said: But aren't we a fair way off breaking any FFP rules? Like we could spend £100m and still be fine, just obviously less in the pot going forward without improving our finantial situation some way? According to Mr Maguire who is really good on anything FFP we have loads of wiggle room left. The club are really smart with the way they use the local media. They've been laying the groundwork for this for weeks with the "we need to sell to buy" line. I don't think it's beyond the realms of possiblity that we just want rid and are using it as an excuse to sell a fan favourite with minimal fuss. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 2 hours ago, St1pe said: If that fee is as low as reported - some saying £25m - then I don’t think it’s unfair to question whether PIF’s project with us is now lower in the pecking order than the Saudi league. I agree. AFAIK there are no fair market value rules for transfer income. PIF could quite easily spend as much as they wanted to on acquiring ASM for one of their Saudi teams and effectively render FFP a non issue for NUFC. In fact, if Maxi is willing to go to SA it seems a bit of no-brainer to put a very high price tag on him. So it’s going to give us and them some flack for a while? It’s not like there isn’t undue criticism already whatever they do and the league/other clubs have gone out of their way to handcuff our potential by means of introducing ridiculous rules restricting our potential to trade and grow the club as out owners see fit. We need to use any loophole we can. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 Just now, Nobody said: We're not? Seems to me like that's exactly what we're doing. We're allegedly selling him to improve our FFP capacity. Barnes always looked like a pre-emptive replacement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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