Allan Saint-Maximin (now playing for Fenerbahce, on loan from Al-Ahli)

[Guest]

Watching the Spurs documentary on Amazon Prime and he seemed a huge influence there too. Pretty much the go between in the dressing room between the English players and foreign players.

[mighty__mag]

5 hours ago, tomlynnherrington said:

You’re totally missing the point my friend.

 

That's the I don't have an answer, answer??

[Geordie Ahmed]

I do find a lot of the stick ASM has been getting very uncomfortable, people extremely harsh towards him and calling him all sorts.

 

Even if you are of the opinion you want rid I think it's shitty behaviour towards a guy that has arguably been our best player since he joined. A guy who more than played his part in ensuring we didn't get relegated despite the best efforts of Ashley and Bruce. At least have some appreciation/respect for that.

 

That aside, I've definitely noticed a change in his game, does seem to look for the option to pass a bit more, whether that is a confidence thing or listening to the managers instructions. 

 

For me, logic dictates you focus on your weakest positions and replace/strengthen those first, ASM or the LW is not our weakest position so calling for him to be sold is ludicrous. 

 

I think he'll have a mint season next year and a lot of the people that have went overboard with criticism will be made to look foolish. 

[Stottie]

12 hours ago, Barmy Ben Arfa said:

I think ASM is going to have his best season yet next season. 10g 5a in the league territory.

 

He'll need to work on his shooting to get 10 goals but I also expect much more production next time. 

For the Wilson goal, look at where ASM gets the ball and contrast with where he has normally received it in the past. See also the decoy run to his side.

 

Kev Lawson the Statsbomb guy reckons ASM hits more dangerous passes, especially cutbacks, when he plays on the right. 

 

[tomlynnherrington]

3 hours ago, mighty__mag said:

 

That's the I don't have an answer, answer??

ASM is our only wide player in attack.If you expect other players to put more crosses into the box ( chances for other players to score) then I don’t think you realise what the first job of an attacking wide player is.He rarely looks up therefore rarely sees opportunities to play a penetrating pass.I would liked to have seen him given a chance on the right.Would he be more of a team player? That would be his choice..Would he create more chances? That again would be his choice.

 

 

 

Edited May 25, 2022 by tomlynnherrington

[buzza]

My take on this is that if eddie can get 40-50 million for maxi he will take it. he will spend that money on a pacy winger-come-striker who puts in the defensive shift and is technically superior and able to carry out instructions.

I love ASM going forward and just for the breathtaking ability he has, but football is a team game and if we want to be CONSISTENT we need top class players who are good at all facest of the game.

For example; i was screaming at ASM for the stupid lunge he made allowing the cross to come in for the Burnley goal last week. I bet Eddie was seething... He would have trained it into every player not to go to ground and to stand players up and make life difficult for them. Other more tactically adept players would not have allowed that cross through or would have forced a pass backwards.

[buzza]

Sorry, meant to say tactically superior... hard to beat ASM on the skills stats

[buzza]

Facets as well... DOH!

[Zero]

Howe prefers the have attacking full backs and wingers that can attack and defend equally well. I think that’s pretty obvious 

[gazza ladra]

21 minutes ago, buzza said:

My take on this is that if eddie can get 40-50 million for maxi he will take it. he will spend that money on a pacy winger-come-striker who puts in the defensive shift and is technically superior and able to carry out instructions.

 

It'll be interesting to see just how ruthless Howe and club are going to be this summer.

 

He's got a system, a way he wants the side to play. He came in and immediately dropped Darlow, Ritchie, Lascelles, Clark.  They were poor. More inportantly they are incapable of defending the way that Howe wanted. 

 

I suspect that Howe thinks he can do better. At the moment I don't think we'll see ASM or Targett next season.

 

Personally, I like to see a replacement for Fraser and Miggy on right first. 

 

 

Edited May 25, 2022 by gazza ladra

[MrRaspberryJam]

5 minutes ago, gazza ladra said:

It'll be interesting to see just how ruthless Howe and club are going to be this summer.

 

He's got a system, a way he wants the side to play. He came in and immediately dropped Darlow, Ritchie, Lascelles, Clark.  They were poor. More inportantly they are incapable of defending the way that Howe wanted. 

 

I suspect that Howe thinks he can do better. At the moment I don't think we'll see ASM or Targett next season.

 

Personally, I like to see a replacement for Fraser and Miggy on right first. 

 

 

 

 

All 4 of them played in Howe's first game.  Lascelles and Ritchie were regular starters until January. 

[Mazzy]

ASM won't be going anywhere this summer. This will arguably be the biggest season of his career, he'll be playing with better teammates than he ever has done and in a team actually challenging for something, with a manager who is capable of getting the best from any player.

 

This is the season for him to get everything started now not the season for him to leave. If he doesn't do it this coming season then fair enough, he can leave but he needs a proper chance to show what he can do in a team competing at a higher level.

 

Not every player can excel in poor teams, ASM has done at times but he will definitely benefit from the time, space and creativity a much improved Newcastle will bring him.

[gazza ladra]

38 minutes ago, MrRaspberryJam said:

 

All 4 of them played in Howe's first game.  Lascelles and Ritchie were regular starters until January. 

They were moved them aside.

 

Ritchie was transitioned out in early December. Lewis had a spell of starts. He came back for Man City. That was his last start.

 

Lascelles was around long enough for a replacement to be found.

 

Edit: You have a problem with the word "immediately"?  I think he acted as wuickly abd as decisively as possible. 

 

 

Edited May 25, 2022 by gazza ladra

[MrRaspberryJam]

2 minutes ago, gazza ladra said:

They wete moved them aside.

 

Ritchie was transitioned out in early December. Lewis had a spell of starts. He came back for Man City. That was his last start.

 

Lascelles was around long enough for a replacement to be found.

 

Yeah thats what Im saying. They weren't immediately dropped.

[mighty__mag]

11 hours ago, tomlynnherrington said:

ASM is our only wide player in attack.If you expect other players to put more crosses into the box ( chances for other players to score) then I don’t think you realise what the first job of an attacking wide player is.He rarely looks up therefore rarely sees opportunities to play a penetrating pass.I would liked to have seen him given a chance on the right.Would he be more of a team player? That would be his choice..Would he create more chances? That again would be his choice.

 

 

 

 

 

I don't expect, I posted a stat. I think it was you who expected.

 

When asked who had created more, you still had no answer, and skirted around with this bullshit.

 

Unfortunately, however you want to try and dress it up, he is most creative this season, get over yourself. 

 

 

Edited May 25, 2022 by mighty__mag

[mighty__mag]

On 24/05/2022 at 08:15, tomlynnherrington said:

Less than two chances per game created.When you consider how often he gets into positions to create a chance,even by just putting a cross into the danger area.Poor.Very poor.

 

I think about what you're trying to say here, but, when you say, "how often he gets into positions to create a chance"

 

From memory, there wasn't enough times from Wilson's injury, that many of our players got into positions where he could deliver, you cant make a pass that's not there?. And the players who should get into the best positions, and read what ASM is doing, need to be switched on, but, they never were.

 

Probably Wumming, as the account was created at the weekend.

 

 

 

 

Edited May 25, 2022 by mighty__mag

[DebuchyAndTheBeast]

I agree that St Maximin can be frustrating at times but he is still one of our best players. 

 

The fact that most of our attacks are down the left is proof that we are over reliant on him. If we can get a similar threat on the right wing then I'd expect St Maximin to get more goals and assists

[Holloway]

Fresh start for Maxi next season, where our attacking threat will surely be increased significantly due to new arrivals. The awareness mantra will be drilled into him, let's see if he can adapt and up the production

[Rich]

Aye. Very much looking forward to seeing him alongside two or three attacking players of equal/better quality, depending on whether we go 4-3-3/4-2-3-1. He only seems to like to pass to Bruno or Wilson at the minute...

[tomlynnherrington]

4 hours ago, Holloway said:

Fresh start for Maxi next season, where our attacking threat will surely be increased significantly due to new arrivals. The awareness mantra will be drilled into him, let's see if he can adapt and up the production

He knows what he should be doing but he decides not to do it.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

I feel he has improved his team play and passing, you can see he’s trying. 
 

Defending is another thing though, not sure he is physically capable or mentally suited for it. It’s possible though. 

[Holloway]

16 minutes ago, tomlynnherrington said:

He knows what he should be doing but he decides not to do it.

Looks to me like defensive work is almost unknown territory for him, body position is alien to him etc. There's been glimpses of him making the right choices last couple of outings, the little run and pass for the assist to Wilson was superb. He'll be getting on the ball more in those dangerous positions with better players around him. I feel it would be madness to release him now, if he can just adapt his game further he'll be a tremendous asset, no matter the opposition

[tomlynnherrington]

5 hours ago, mighty__mag said:

 

I think about what you're trying to say here, but, when you say, "how often he gets into positions to create a chance"

 

From memory, there wasn't enough times from Wilson's injury, that many of our players got into positions where he could deliver, you cant make a pass that's not there. And the players who should get into the best positions and read what ASM is doing need to be switched on, but, they never were.

 

 

He’s played 86 games and he still rarely looks for any option other than what’s best for him.I see good in him,you see no bad in him.He creates space to pass to team mates in better positions.He’s very good at that,but often he ‘uses’ the player instead of using the player.Give him the ball on the half way line with 11 opposition players in front of him and more often than not he’ll go to attack them.He needs to change but so far he’s done what he wants to do.It cannot continue.I’d love to see him creating chance after chance on the right wing,where I’d like to see him personally but when a pass is the better option,he has to use that option.He has to change or has to go.

[tomlynnherrington]

2 minutes ago, Holloway said:

Looks to me like defensive work is almost unknown territory for him, body position is alien to him etc. There's been glimpses of him making the right choices last couple of outings, the little run and pass for the assist to Wilson was superb. He'll be getting on the ball more in those dangerous positions with better players around him. I feel it would be madness to release him now, if he can just adapt his game further he'll be a tremendous asset, no matter the opposition

Good post ?

[tomlynnherrington]

4 hours ago, Rich said:

Aye. Very much looking forward to seeing him alongside two or three attacking players of equal/better quality, depending on whether we go 4-3-3/4-2-3-1. He only seems to like to pass to Bruno or Wilson at the minute...

Targett was an attacking fullback at Villa.That’s gone from his game and probably because of Eddie’s orders.