TheBrownBottle Posted August 19, 2023 Share Posted August 19, 2023 53 minutes ago, Ash2579 said: I feel we’re going back in time a bit here, but with Saudis owning us and all these extremely high profile footballers moving to Saudi, as well as LIV golf etc this can only be a good thing for bringing the spotlight on living conditions there! I hope it’s a force for good/change 36 minutes ago, RUHRLYASLEEVESUP said: I’m not really doubting anyone just feel a little unsure as to how anyone can outright claim anyone is a murderer without proof, there have been plenty of despots throughout history have been proved guilty of murder at least as wealthy, I believe what I believe & regardless what you or anyone else tells me to believe it wont ever change my thoughts however I respect your right to think that way, I dont. He’d need to be put on trial - and given it isn’t a crime against humanity, it would need to be a trial in KSA, not The Hague. What do you think the chances are of the Crown Prince being brought up on accessory to murder charges in KSA? Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Mao etc - not a conviction between them. Innocent, I take it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUHRLYASLEEVESUP Posted August 19, 2023 Share Posted August 19, 2023 15 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said: He’d need to be put on trial - and given it isn’t a crime against humanity, it would need to be a trial in KSA, not The Hague. What do you think the chances are of the Crown Prince being brought up on accessory to murder charges in KSA? Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Mao etc - not a conviction between them. Innocent, I take it? Gawd Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted August 19, 2023 Share Posted August 19, 2023 Just now, Ash2579 said: Wow, MBS is a mass murdering ethnic cleansing monster now! Ok No, the point is that dictators tend not to be convicted for their crimes - certainly not without being toppled. The idea that ‘hey, the CIA reckoned he did but there were no charges’ is a joke. The CIA can’t charge him ffs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted August 19, 2023 Share Posted August 19, 2023 Doesn't really matter whether he was involved with the Khassogi murder or not, he's got enough blood on his hands with all the executions happening in Saudi anyway IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted August 19, 2023 Share Posted August 19, 2023 1 minute ago, Nobody said: Doesn't really matter whether he was involved with the Khassogi murder or not, he's got enough blood on his hands with all the executions happening in Saudi anyway IMO. Yep. The country has no formal penal code, yet executes people like it’s going out of fashion. Imagine backing a dictator who kills people who want democracy? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted August 19, 2023 Share Posted August 19, 2023 2 minutes ago, Ash2579 said: I haven’t suggested they can! Anyway, Mehrdad, Jamie, Yasir and Jamie! Couldn’t ask for better owners 👏 I mean, it’s pretty easy to imagine better owners. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
patrone Posted August 19, 2023 Share Posted August 19, 2023 Initially I would engage and voice my opinions,about how supporting NUFC is not the same as loving the new owners and so on. But when you constantly get slated for "ignoring atrocities for a new striker" and "loving everything Saudi" and "defending a murderous regime", just because you aren't constantly protesting about it. I try to stay away from such discussion 🤷♂️ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted August 19, 2023 Share Posted August 19, 2023 7 minutes ago, Ash2579 said: So has Joe Biden then! Capital punishment still happens in a number of American states! Not for homosexuality and other no-crimes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted August 19, 2023 Share Posted August 19, 2023 Sportswashing in action on this page, like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hovagod Posted August 19, 2023 Share Posted August 19, 2023 19 minutes ago, Ash2579 said: Wow, MBS is a mass murdering ethnic cleansing monster now! Ok He is, yes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghandis Flip-Flop Posted August 19, 2023 Share Posted August 19, 2023 18 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said: No, the point is that dictators tend not to be convicted for their crimes - certainly not without being toppled. The idea that ‘hey, the CIA reckoned he did but there were no charges’ is a joke. The CIA can’t charge him ffs Bit rich of the CIA to point the finger at anybody regarding extra-judicial murder too, no? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghandis Flip-Flop Posted August 19, 2023 Share Posted August 19, 2023 5 minutes ago, Nobody said: Not for homosexuality and other no-crimes. the way things are heading, post the repeal of Wade vs Roe I wouldn’t get too tight on the particular viewpoint Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Maximin Posted August 19, 2023 Share Posted August 19, 2023 Sure it would be very shocking to potentially see (a very small and stupid minority of) Newcastle fans cheering MBS on, but you’d hope the club realised inviting him would be a clear own goal. His brother attending the Carabao Cup final didn’t make much news but nobody knows who he is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted August 19, 2023 Share Posted August 19, 2023 12 minutes ago, Ghandis Flip-Flop said: Bit rich of the CIA to point the finger at anybody regarding extra-judicial murder too, no? They’ve had their fair share of toppling democratic govts in the Americas, I can’t argue that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kocunar Posted August 19, 2023 Share Posted August 19, 2023 Death penalty is still a thing in the US. I guess Biden has blood on his hands. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimburst Posted August 19, 2023 Share Posted August 19, 2023 ...he does. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilson Posted August 19, 2023 Share Posted August 19, 2023 What a glorious match day read it is in here. I'm away for a sportswash. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kocunar Posted August 19, 2023 Share Posted August 19, 2023 Just now, Jimburst said: ...he does. Sure, you just don't see people point that out often whenever he is mentioned. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted August 19, 2023 Share Posted August 19, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, kocunar said: Death penalty is still a thing in the US. I guess Biden has blood on his hands. He does. But this type of ‘whatabouttery’ is easy when you’re not actually living in a dictatorship. Try walking down the streets of Washington DC, shouting ‘fuck Biden’ and calling for him to be expelled from office. Then try that in Riyadh with MBS. Which one do you think is more likely to result in your execution? Edited August 19, 2023 by TheBrownBottle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted August 19, 2023 Share Posted August 19, 2023 Tbh I'd be pretty unhappy with sunak visiting the game of anyone thinks I'm reserving special treatment for mbs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted August 19, 2023 Share Posted August 19, 2023 It is also with pointing out that there is some at least democratic mandate in the us, where arguably the death penalty goes ahead because it's popular with the voters and Biden does not have the authority to end it completely as it would never get through the senate etc. Mbs is more directly responsible for the ills of his state as he is in a position of almost total power Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
patrone Posted August 19, 2023 Share Posted August 19, 2023 I spent about 6 months in Saudi, learnt a bit of the lingo, ate some lush food, and I never got beheaded once 🤷♂️ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie Ahmed Posted August 19, 2023 Share Posted August 19, 2023 US Presidents are far worse than MBS but that's a separate discussion. Him attending a game would just be asking for trouble though, don't see a single benefit to it whilst the grief we as a club would get would be enormous. Whilst I don't give a shit what others think I wouldn't want Eddie or the players being asked about MBS attending a game instead of being asked about football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUHRLYASLEEVESUP Posted August 19, 2023 Share Posted August 19, 2023 I’m back from my dog walk to debate with people I’ve never met or likely to meet about something no one can change Who wants it ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted August 19, 2023 Share Posted August 19, 2023 7 minutes ago, patrone said: I spent about 6 months in Saudi, learnt a bit of the lingo, ate some lush food, and I never got beheaded once 🤷♂️ Happily you didn’t have a pint - because who wants to be whipped in a public square? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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