Eddie Howe

[Lush Vlad]

Not had many assets to sell to recoup money and make the net spend look better, mind. 

[Dokko]

18 minutes ago, Vinny Green Balls said:

For you and a few others maybe. But you were staunchly against him to begin with, and said a couple of uncharacteristically bat shit things in that time.

 

I said after new year the issue isn't Howe but the club (as it was borderline neglect not to bring in reinforcements when players safety was at risk - we now know why, we over spent) and he had a free pass from me for the rest of the season, which he got. Others on here had begun to question him and even more so now. Nothing I can do about that apart from say what I see. 

 

He's not perfect, I don't see why people need to kid themselves he is and 100% unwavering support for him regardless of what he does. I certainly don't treat any relationship like that in real life, at home or at work. It's fantasy. 

 

[Lush Vlad]

14 minutes ago, ATB said:

I´m not sure Howe is blamless for the injury situation.

 

Anyway. The football nowdays are bigger that what happends on the pitch. To put it clear, I like Howe very much as a person and leader, I´m not just all against him. Instead I think what I feel is best for the club from now, not what was best 3 years ago. Without Howe we wouldn´t be where we are.

What is best for the club from now then? 

[Vinny Green Balls]

3 minutes ago, Dokko said:

 

I said after new year the issue isn't Howe but the club (as it was borderline neglect not to bring in reinforcements when players safety was at risk - we now know why, we over spent) and he had a free pass from me for the rest of the season, which he got. Others on here had begun to question him and even more so now. Nothing I can do about that apart from say what I see. 

 

He's not perfect, I don't see why people need to kid themselves he is and 100% unwavering support for him regardless of what he does. I certainly don't treat any relationship like that in real life, at home or at work. It's fantasy. 

 

I don't think we do. If you are going to be honest witrh yourself, you've been all over the place on this. You were sanguine for about two months, and then started to go back to form. And even before the really bad dip in form, you were sounding a bit like your early 2022 self...not proposing Stephen Gerrard as an alternative level mind you, but still extremely reactionary.

 

Of course he isn't perfect, and has fucked up in his time here. But what you claim is 100% unwavering support, I see as considering the circumstances rather than just wildly reacting to everything unfolding.

[Tonalis Bookie]

This has never been about what was best for the club.

 

We didn't fly to Milan as Eddie didn't want people to see us train, this wasn't for the players or the club. This was all the red flags anybody should have needed. 

 

We have a small time outlook by having a buffer in the backroom that is his nephew. Any other club we would be laughing at the manager for this.

[Ben]

3 minutes ago, Tonalis Bookie said:

This has never been about what was best for the club.

 

We didn't fly to Milan as Eddie didn't want people to see us train, this wasn't for the players or the club. This was all the red flags anybody should have needed. 

 

We have a small time outlook by having a buffer in the backroom that is his nephew. Any other club we would be laughing at the manager for this.

 

Worrying post

[jackyboy]

Football is constantly evolving in the way it is played, Pep being the master. I think that Eddie will have looked back on last season and is looking for a different way to get results. I feel confident that he will succeed 

[Dokko]

2 minutes ago, Vinny Green Balls said:

I don't think we do. If you are going to be honest witrh yourself, you've been all over the place on this. You were sanguine for about two months, and then started to go back to form. And even before the really bad dip in form, you were sounding a bit like your early 2022 self...not proposing Stephen Gerrard as an alternative level mind you, but still extremely reactionary.

 

Of course he isn't perfect, and has fucked up in his time here. But what you claim is 100% unwavering support, I see as considering the circumstances rather than just wildly reacting to everything unfolding.

 

I wanted emery, and was gutted it didn't happen. He's proved decent at villa. I was concerned with Howes lack of European experience and it showed last season with him not managing the added games properly, but mainly, in my mind, he relegated Bournemouth after spending shit loads on English players and even Steve Bruce tanned his arse on the way down, so yes, I want sold on him. His start didn't get off for a while and we looked nailed on for relegation. It wasn't working, then it did. Fair play to those who backed him then, I didn't. 

 

Last year and managing Europe, It wasn't even a dig then, it was something I predicted and something I pointed out was happening, but nothing could be said against him during that time. You brought up the same things then as well. 

 

If you keep the same opinion on something when new evidence or events happen, then you're just stubborn. I'm not that. I'm an emotional poster, I tend to try not post after a defeat these days, as a lot is sounding off and getting out frustrations, but I resent this going back in time for a few comments each time I have an opinion on Howe. My opinion is up and down on him because guess what, Howe has been patchy. Some good some bad, some great. It's a journey, and you can call out the bits you don't like and enjoy the ones you do. It's just shite posters like yourself feel the need to belittle opinions made on that journey, especially when 'in hindsight' some of them were right. 

 

Last time we do this dance. 

[Vinny Green Balls]

12 minutes ago, Dokko said:

 

I wanted emery, and was gutted it didn't happen. He's proved decent at villa. I was concerned with Howes lack of European experience and it showed last season with him not managing the added games properly, but mainly, in my mind, he relegated Bournemouth after spending shit loads on English players and even Steve Bruce tanned his arse on the way down, so yes, I want sold on him. His start didn't get off for a while and we looked nailed on for relegation. It wasn't working, then it did. Fair play to those who backed him then, I didn't. 

 

Last year and managing Europe, It wasn't even a dig then, it was something I predicted and something I pointed out was happening, but nothing could be said against him during that time. You brought up the same things then as well. 

 

If you keep the same opinion on something when new evidence or events happen, then you're just stubborn. I'm not that. I'm an emotional poster, I tend to try not post after a defeat these days, as a lot is sounding off and getting out frustrations, but I resent this going back in time for a few comments each time I have an opinion on Howe. My opinion is up and down on him because guess what, Howe has been patchy. Some good some bad, some great. It's a journey, and you can call out the bits you don't like and enjoy the ones you do. It's just shite posters like yourself feel the need to belittle opinions made on that journey, especially when 'in hindsight' some of them were right. 

 

Last time we do this dance. 

Or if you weigh circumstances and then judge, maybe you're not necessarily stubborn. And many of your opinions were were wrong. And if you admit it, which you have done, then fine, which is why I have and continue to have a lot of time for you as one of the 'purple' posters on this forum. But you really have been all over the place concerning Howe. And calling me a shit poster is much more belittling than anything I have done to you, man. I am more than happy to hear criticism of Howe. His subs can piss me off, and I was concerned about running players into the ground just like you guys were. He's a good manager that is still reltaively young, and needs to grow in some areas. I just have been tired of this pall of negativity that has been around the club since the onset of a relatively positive time (for which you have been a sizable contributor from my perspective). 

 

I was really hoping for Emery as well FWIW.

 

 

Edited August 29, 2024 by Vinny Green Balls

[Heron]

41 minutes ago, HaydnNUFC said:

 

We've a net spend of £485m over the last 10 years, higher than 5/6 of the big 6; bigger than Liverpool's. (site is in € so I've converted it to £)

 

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/premier-league/fuenfjahresvergleich/wettbewerb/GB1

 

 

 

Actually a bit surprised by this tbf. But the vast majority of expenditure is across the years since the Saudis arrived, and I certainly don't think we've underperformed based on said signings. Rome wasn't built in a day, etc. Etc.

[Dokko]

4 minutes ago, Vinny Green Balls said:

Or if you weigh circumstances and then judge, maybe you're not necessarily stubborn. And many of your opinions were were wrong. And if you admit it, which you have done, then fine, which is why I have and continue to have a lot of time for you as one of the 'purple' posters on this forum. But you really have been all over the place concerning Howe. And calling me a shit poster is much more belittling than anything I have done to you, man. I am more than happy to hear criticism of Howe. His subs can piss me off, and I was concerned about running players into the ground just like you guys were. He's a good manager that is still reltaively young, and needs to grow in some areas. I just have been tired of this pall of negativity that has been around the club since the onset of a relatively positive time (for which you have been a sizable contributor from my perspective). 

 

I was really hoping for Emery as well FWIW.

 

 

 

 

Sorry, I've had a drink. (Penultimate day of holidays) There is a lot of care and kind words in there, appreciated. Truly.  I had hoped you'd read between the lines with me, but my positing and emotion directly links to another thread I'm quite busy in. I have good days and bad days. I was a fucking nightmare poster 15 years ago due to going through a breakdown, and really self sabotage. Realistically I shouldn't even have an account here, thankfully the mods seen there was something worth keeping.

 

Still for the life of me hand on heart don't remember that Gerrard comment. It's one of those where I'll never live it down, just wish I could own it properly by remembering saying it. It's a brutal reminder, of my mood swings. 😂 

[Groundhog63]

Can I just recap here, for a second. 

 

Howe comes in. Stops the rot, turns it around 

1st full year. 4th (Cup final) 

2nd full year. 7th (with an absolutely shit show of injuries and fixtures) 

 

And he's lost alot of goodwill??? 

 

Fucking clowns

[Vinny Green Balls]

2 minutes ago, Dokko said:

 

Sorry, I've had a drink. (Penultimate day of holidays) There is a lot of care and kind words in there, appreciated. Truly.  I had hoped you'd read between the lines with me, but my positing and emotion directly links to another thread I'm quite busy in. I have good days and bad days. I was a fucking nightmare poster 15 years ago due to going through a breakdown, and really self sabotage. Realistically I shouldn't even have an account here, thankfully the mods seen there was something worth keeping.

 

Still for the life of me hand on heart don't remember that Gerrard comment. It's one of those where I'll never live it down, just wish I could own it properly by remembering saying it. It's a brutal reminder, of my mood swings. 😂 

I'm sorry too, man. I'd be bummed if you weren't around here, dude. We have some disagreement on this, but over the years, I have largely agreed with your posts, and have appreciated your insight.

[Matt1892]

If we don’t sign anyone then it is worth a bet on him being the next England manager.

[Ben]

8 minutes ago, Groundhog63 said:

Can I just recap here, for a second. 

 

Howe comes in. Stops the rot, turns it around 

1st full year. 4th (Cup final) 

2nd full year. 7th (with an absolutely shit show of injuries and fixtures) 

 

And he's lost alot of goodwill??? 

 

Fucking clowns

 

Aye its not Howes fault he hasn't been backed in the transfer market 

[Fezzle]

8 minutes ago, Groundhog63 said:

Can I just recap here, for a second. 

 

Howe comes in. Stops the rot, turns it around 

1st full year. 4th (Cup final) 

2nd full year. 7th (with an absolutely shit show of injuries and fixtures) 

 

And he's lost alot of goodwill??? 

 

Fucking clowns

Aye but several knackas are still blaming him for not splashing out in January, presumably they would all be happy selling Bruno/Gordon cos minteh and Anderson barely covered the black hole as it eas

[Dokko]

10 minutes ago, Vinny Green Balls said:

I'm sorry too, man. I'd be bummed if you weren't around here, dude. We have some disagreement on this, but over the years, I have largely agreed with your posts, and have appreciated your insight.

[J7]

3 minutes ago, Ben said:

 

Aye its not Howes fault he hasn't been backed in the transfer market 

What, that we didn’t keep bidding higher and higher for Guehi? We’ve had the piss ripped out of us. 

 

 

Edited August 29, 2024 by J7

[Abacus]

1 minute ago, Dokko said:

 

Good to see - this has turned into an NO Christmas special.

[Ben]

9 minutes ago, J7 said:

What, that we didn’t keep bidding higher and higher for Guehi? We’ve had the piss ripped out of us. 

 

 

 

 

Nee right winger though and Fraser he still here 

[HalloNUFC]

19 minutes ago, Groundhog63 said:

Can I just recap here, for a second. 

 

Howe comes in. Stops the rot, turns it around 

1st full year. 4th (Cup final) 

2nd full year. 7th (with an absolutely shit show of injuries and fixtures) 

 

And he's lost alot of goodwill??? 

 

Fucking clowns

A certain manager 2 decade back was able to achieve b2b UCL qualification.

Unable to make it 3rd time in a row and supporters turn against him and he was a local lad aswell unlike Howe.

 

It's that easy.

 

Now most would deny the later part ever happen but articles from that time still exist in internet or the screenshots .

 

 

[HalloNUFC]

12 minutes ago, J7 said:

What, that we didn’t keep bidding higher and higher for Guehi? We’ve had the piss ripped out of us. 

 

 

 

U guys love to believe same journalist whom you hate for 360/365 days as snake.

[Groundhog63]

15 minutes ago, Ben said:

 

Aye its not Howes fault he hasn't been backed in the transfer market 

 

13 minutes ago, Fezzle said:

Aye but several knackas are still blaming him for not splashing out in January, presumably they would all be happy selling Bruno/Gordon cos minteh and Anderson barely covered the black hole as it eas

 

People believe any old shite that suits their perspective. We've no idea what's gone on, behind closed doors, from day 1 when it comes to transfers. In and out. 

Purely conjecture driven by journalists, pundits and Internet gobshites that know diddly squat. 

They'll be booing on Sunday these knackers. 

 

[timeEd32]

32 minutes ago, Heron said:

Actually a bit surprised by this tbf. But the vast majority of expenditure is across the years since the Saudis arrived, and I certainly don't think we've underperformed based on said signings. Rome wasn't built in a day, etc. Etc.

 

Net spend is a bad metric because we've had nothing to sell and it's the crux of our problem. Since the takeover we've sold 30 year old Jonjo Shelvey, Maxi, Darlow for the price of a 4 bedroom house, and Anderson (plus Wood and Minteh who we brought in and out). Having desirable players to sell would have changed everything for us and it's the biggest advantage Villa have had in starting from a similar place.

[Zero]

I don’t think Howe has lost any goodwill. However I would say he didn’t help himself by backing the club to the corner, resulting a make-or-break season for both the club and himself. He didn’t get any reinforcement, his relationship with Mitchell in doubt, the players getting extra pressure…

 

I think if there’s one more quarrelling with the management, he would simply walk and go for the England job.