Eddie Howe

[wormy]

24 minutes ago, gdm said:

He’s on today’s Simon Jordon up front Podcast. 

 

https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/up-front/id1683837570?i=1000679306982

 

 

 

 

 

Video version premiering on YouTube now too.

 

Simon Jordan's entire cadence pisses me off by default.

[Displayname]

41 minutes ago, JEToon said:

We have about the 7th/8th best squad in the league, we probably end the season in 7th/8th , taking the squad to 4th, was a fantastic achievement but we have a lot of work to do before we can expect that

Considering all the other teams above us have Europe to focus on I think we should hope for better.

[Ellis H]

36 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

I'm tiring of reading that the squad is shite and that it is a miracle that Howe gets a tune out of them.

 

There are six players in the squad who have been capped by England in the last year or so.  We've two Brazilian internationals and an Italian international in midfield.  Isak is probably the second-best centre forward in the country.  And there is plenty of talent besides that.

 

Howe is a good manager - but the current squad has not been as good as the sum of its parts this season.  The idea that no-one could have done better is laughable tbh.

It’s not the international players that are the problem. It’s the 10 players who are hangovers from the Bruce era that were in the squad yesterday. Yes, 10 (unless I’ve counted wrong). If those players were consistently top 4/6 challenging quality they’d have had far better offers than us when they signed. 
 

It’s what he also did at Bournemouth, bringing a load of lower league players into the PL and making them competitive year after year. 

[TheBrownBottle]

4 minutes ago, Ellis H said:

It’s not the international players that are the problem. It’s the 10 players who are hangovers from the Bruce era that were in the squad yesterday. Yes, 10 (unless I’ve counted wrong). If those players were consistently top 4/6 challenging quality they’d have had far better offers than us when they signed. 
 

It’s what he also did at Bournemouth, bringing a load of lower league players into the PL and making them competitive year after year. 

Steve Bruce's permanent signings who are still at the club:

 

Joelinton

Wilson

Krafth

Gillespie

Lewis

Willock

 

Gillespie was very much a back-up, and Lewis has been a disaster.  The others though - I think they're pretty decent.  Krafth is a decent back up for 5m; Wilson without his injuries is an excellent CF; Willock and Joelinton are arguably first choice when fit.

 

Bruce is a terrible manager, but I'm not convinced that his track record on signings was abysmal.  Benitez's were arguably worse - and in the squad yesterday, they were Schar (a quality CB), Murphy, Dubravka, and Almiron.  Doesn't sound like that much of a handicap - I think most PL sides would take our bench (Dubravka, Targett, Kelly, Longstaff, Willock, Barnes, Almiron, Wilson, Osula - I reckon most of those would comfortably get a game for a fair chunk of PL clubs).  

 

Which players has Howe signed from the lower leagues and turned into PL players for us?  Are there any?

[JEToon]

13 minutes ago, Displayname said:

Considering all the other teams above us have Europe to focus on I think we should hope for better.

 

Aye sure, we might move up a place or so, but then you get to sides who are paying rumored of about 20,50,70 million a year more in wages than us.

 

I also don’t think the new European schedule is as punishing as it used to be personally, evidenced by what Villa are coming up against v what we did 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Feels like the top 4 is locked in for this season, possible exception of Chelsea if something goes wrong there. Every other position up for grabs. 

[TheBrownBottle]

3 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

Feels like the top 4 is locked in for this season, possible exception of Chelsea if something goes wrong there. Every other position up for grabs. 

5th might be enough for CL

[HaydnNUFC]

Was livid he didn't make changes and bring on fresh legs until after we went behind last night. Were crying out for them in the 10 minutes before they scored. 

[kingxlnc]

1 hour ago, TheBrownBottle said:

I'm tiring of reading that the squad is shite and that it is a miracle that Howe gets a tune out of them.

 

There are six players in the squad who have been capped by England in the last year or so.  We've two Brazilian internationals and an Italian international in midfield.  Isak is probably the second-best centre forward in the country.  And there is plenty of talent besides that.

 

Howe is a good manager - but the current squad has not been as good as the sum of its parts this season.  The idea that no-one could have done better is laughable tbh.

Agree with this. We have underperformed majorly, lost at least 4-6 points minimum unecessarily. 
Villa and Spurs are on the same points... but have had Europe to contend with. We haven't had anything nor injuries. So definitely underperformance. 
This L'pool game was the first time this season we played like last season. 

[UncleBingo]

27 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Steve Bruce's permanent signings who are still at the club:

 

Joelinton

Wilson

Krafth

Gillespie

Lewis

Willock

 

Gillespie was very much a back-up, and Lewis has been a disaster.  The others though - I think they're pretty decent.  Krafth is a decent back up for 5m; Wilson without his injuries is an excellent CF; Willock and Joelinton are arguably first choice when fit.

 

Bruce is a terrible manager, but I'm not convinced that his track record on signings was abysmal.  Benitez's were arguably worse - and in the squad yesterday, they were Schar (a quality CB), Murphy, Dubravka, and Almiron.  Doesn't sound like that much of a handicap - I think most PL sides would take our bench (Dubravka, Targett, Kelly, Longstaff, Willock, Barnes, Almiron, Wilson, Osula - I reckon most of those would comfortably get a game for a fair chunk of PL clubs).  

 

Which players has Howe signed from the lower leagues and turned into PL players for us?  Are there any?

I think the Bruce/Benitez signing argument is moot when you look at how much was spent by both. Benitez pretty much had a zero net spend and his average player price was circa £6M. Bruce spent £100M net and his players average player price was nearly three times that.

Obviously it's a lot easier to buy better players when you have more money to spend.

[Dr.Spaceman]

11 minutes ago, HaydnNUFC said:

Was livid he didn't make changes and bring on fresh legs until after we went behind last night. Were crying out for them in the 10 minutes before they scored. 

 

The lad next to me said exactly this last night. You could see we had nowt left in the tank and nobody was even warming up.

[Dr.Spaceman]

We were set up very well last night though, my only gripe was that our right didn't seem to be working, possibly due to Tino and Murphy not playing together regularly, I don't know but it felt like everything was going through Gordon on the other side. Loved that we managed some goals from play through the centre.

[TheBrownBottle]

14 minutes ago, UncleBingo said:

I think the Bruce/Benitez signing argument is moot when you look at how much was spent by both. Benitez pretty much had a zero net spend and his average player price was circa £6M. Bruce spent £100M net and his players average player price was nearly three times that.

Obviously it's a lot easier to buy better players when you have more money to spend.

It is absolutely not something I'd argue re who is the better manager - but even the net argument is unfair; Bruce signed ASM too.

 

Rafa never had a perfect transfer market record at any club - or even a good one, necessarily.  But he's still one of the top managers of the 21st Century whereas Bruce is a chancer PFM wanker.

[TRon]

2 hours ago, TheBrownBottle said:

I'm tiring of reading that the squad is shite and that it is a miracle that Howe gets a tune out of them.

 

There are six players in the squad who have been capped by England in the last year or so.  We've two Brazilian internationals and an Italian international in midfield.  Isak is probably the second-best centre forward in the country.  And there is plenty of talent besides that.

 

Howe is a good manager - but the current squad has not been as good as the sum of its parts this season.  The idea that no-one could have done better is laughable tbh.

 

Howe has a lot of qualities, he feels like he belongs here, the fans generally love him, and when we get it right, the football is great to watch.

 

But he still looks like a one track manager, we play this way or bust. His formations stay mostly the same, his in game management is often missing, and the set pieces are really poor. At the moment we don't look like a brilliantly managed team, we look more like an inspirational one.

[dave s]

I still think Eddie is the man for the job. There’s players not hitting the form they were last season or previous seasons, Gordon and Bruno stand out as obvious examples (last night aside).. whether that’s down to player confidence, Eddies tactics or training, who knows .. but I’d like to see him have the chance to get it right and shut everyone up. 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

There's no possibility he leaves before the end of the season anyway, so no need to worry. See what the second part of the season brings. 

[TheBrownBottle]

11 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

Howe has a lot of qualities, he feels like he belongs here, the fans generally love him, and when we get it right, the football is great to watch.

 

But he still looks like a one track manager, we play this way or bust. His formations stay mostly the same, his in game management is often missing, and the set pieces are really poor. At the moment we don't look like a brilliantly managed team, we look more like an inspirational one.

Yeah, I think this is it.  I personally love Howe and want nothing more than for him to break our trophy duck.  In a sport that's went awry ethically and moved from its roots, he's like an intelligent tactically aware throwback (if that makes sense).

 

But ultimately I care more about NUFC than Howe's career.  So I'd have no compunction about the club sacking him if the results and performances don't reach an acceptable level before the end of the season.

 

As far as this gobshite's concerned, he still has credit in the bank.

[TRon]

3 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Yeah, I think this is it.  I personally love Howe and want nothing more than for him to break our trophy duck.  In a sport that's went awry ethically and moved from its roots, he's like an intelligent tactically aware throwback (if that makes sense).

 

But ultimately I care more about NUFC than Howe's career.  So I'd have no compunction about the club sacking him if the results and performances don't reach an acceptable level before the end of the season.

 

As far as this gobshite's concerned, he still has credit in the bank.

 

Yeah this is why I am still on board hoping he'll finish the season strong. It's like Keegan. You can see the shortcomings in some games, but you fear for what will come after if he's gone. That's why Howe has such a loyal backing, most fans are still enjoying the ride and tbf, that's not often the case as a Newcastle fan.

[Erikse]

3 hours ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

Ironically those England players (and Joelinton) got their caps because Howe had them playing so well. 

 

No doubt Howe has transformed some players, but likewise I think Steve Bruce made some players look worse than what their real level was. Schär, Longstaff and even Almiron looked pretty good under Benitez. We just had the idea of them being Championship level due to them being Bruced.

 

 

Edited December 5, 2024 by Erikse

[The College Dropout]

New CL format is brutal imo.  and the minimum wage gap to Arsenal who were 6th in wages is £48m.  £64m to Spurs.  170m to Man U. 210m to Liverpool. 240m to Chelsea. £260m to City.  
 

the wage bill of City and Chelsea is literally more than double ours. 
 

The gap to the genuine top 6 is gigantic.  All of them bar Arsenal and Spurs should be able to handle European football with ease.  I think Arsenal new wages will be much higher now but you can see why tough European away games and a few injuries did them in. 
 

The combined wages of Brentford and us is less than the big 4 clubs. 

1 hour ago, JEToon said:

 

Aye sure, we might move up a place or so, but then you get to sides who are paying rumored of about 20,50,70 million a year more in wages than us.

 

I also don’t think the new European schedule is as punishing as it used to be personally, evidenced by what Villa are coming up against v what we did 

 

 

 

Edited December 5, 2024 by The College Dropout

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Who are the genuine top 6?

[Fak]

 

[TK-421]

Just listening to that, decent so far, about his early career. Not got to Jordans' 'difficult' questions yet.

[Smal]

think games like last night convince me more and more that individuals have been letting him down this season more than anything. Obviously it’s partly his responsibility to get players up for games, but performances like last night’s, Arsenal and Man City are night and day to most of our other performances this season.

 

The players are capable and the system works when the players do their jobs, and it can be great to watch. Consistency and determination has to be the players’ responsibility as much as the coaching staff.

[Roids]

3 minutes ago, Smal said:

think games like last night convince me more and more that individuals have been letting him down this season more than anything. Obviously it’s partly his responsibility to get players up for games, but performances like last night’s, Arsenal and Man City are night and day to most of our other performances this season.

 

The players are capable and the system works when the players do their jobs, and it can be great to watch. Consistency and determination has to be the players’ responsibility as much as the coaching staff.

You credit him for the good performances while laying fault for the poor ones on the players, come on. 

He's either responsible for everything (good & bad) or nothing at all.

 

 

Edited December 5, 2024 by Roids