Matt1892 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 (edited) On 03/03/2025 at 11:51, SUPERTOON said: MGW and Milenkovic based on this season also. Expand MGW and Anderson would get in our midfield? Who would you leave out of Bruno, Tonali and Joelinton? Also, do you think Milenkovic and Murillo are better than Botman? Edited March 3 by Matt1892 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 On 03/03/2025 at 11:54, Matt1892 said: MGW and Anderson would get in our midfield? Who would you leave out of Bruno, Tonali and Joelinton? Also, do you think Milebkovic and Murillo are better than Botman? Expand Botman has barely kicked a ball, MGW is better than Joelinton. I didn’t Anderson would. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 Sels Aina Milenkovic Botman Hall Tonali Guimarães Elanga Gibbs-White Gordon Isak Subs: Dúbravka, Livramento, Murillo, Williams, Anderson, Joelinton, Murphy, Hudson-Odoi, Wood Fun that. Cheers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt1892 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 On 03/03/2025 at 11:56, SUPERTOON said: Botman has barely kicked a ball, MGW is better than Joelinton. I didn’t Anderson would. Expand But if you put together the best 11 out of both of them would Botman be in it or not? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 On 03/03/2025 at 11:56, Matt1892 said: But if you put together the best 11 out of both of them would Botman be in it or not? Expand Aye, and that would still leave 5 forest players in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt1892 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 On 03/03/2025 at 11:59, SUPERTOON said: Aye, and that would still leave 5 forest players in. Expand Who are the 5 Forest players that would get in to the best 11 out of both teams? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monters Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 On 03/03/2025 at 11:56, Matt1892 said: But if you put together the best 11 out of both of them would Botman be in it or not? Expand Discussion is about current performance is it not? If I was picking a team to save my life for this weekend it would not include Botman Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt1892 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 Elanga would only get in as we have spent £300 net and still have Jacob Murphy as our first choice right winger. Madness. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt1892 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 On 03/03/2025 at 12:01, Monters said: Discussion is about current performance is it not? If I was picking a team to save my life for this weekend it would not include Botman Expand It isn’t about current performance, it is about ability. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 On 03/03/2025 at 12:01, Matt1892 said: Elanga would only get in as we have spent £300 net and still have Jacob Murphy as our first choice right winger. Madness. Expand If you're doing a "which Forest players would get into our first team to justify why they're competing with us?" thing, you can't then say "well that one only gets in because we haven't got anyone better" that's literally the point surely? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 Well this thread is absolute AIDS. Shall we start a combined XI thread for every team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt1892 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 On 03/03/2025 at 12:05, Andy said: If you're doing a "which Forest players would get into our first team to justify why they're competing with us?" thing, you can't then say "well that one only gets in because we haven't got anyone better" that's literally the point surely? Expand It was more a moan about us spending so much and still having Murphy as our best right winger. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 On 03/03/2025 at 12:05, Lush Vlad said: Well this thread is absolute AIDS. Shall we start a combined XI thread for every team. Expand You'd have an audience of at least one for this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 On 03/03/2025 at 11:54, Andy said: Our recruitment has gone stale due to PSR, it's clear there are still huge holes in the squad, and the holes are only getting wider as some players age and others completely lose form. It isn't that the players we've signed haven't been good, it's that the job is half done. We have one right winger who is only good in patches. Two goalkeepers who are on the decline. Two centre halves who are on the decline. A back up right back who is now finished. A back up striker who is now finished. A back up left back who is on the decline. Back up midfielders who've either lost confidence or are 18 years old. These players are all being relied on regularly. Almost all of these players alluded to above were here under Bruce. The ones who weren't, were good temporary acquisitions (Pope, Burn, Trippier), but now need replacing. Howe has made mistakes this season and has a job on his hands to get the best out of what he's got, but the source of our problems goes back to the inability to strengthen further, which ultimately goes even further back to the years of neglect that left us with no saleable assets. Expand If this was Chelsea or Aston Villa I could understand these arguments. But didn't Forest and Bournemouth just come out of the Championship themselves not too long ago? How have they built a better squad? Some of the players being mentioned, we could have bought them if we wanted, but we didn't go for them, presumably because Howe wanted proven Premier players. Actually I am not even a critic of our signings, I think we've signed well compared to others, but we obviously paid top dollar for a lot of them to get them out of their clubs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt1892 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 On 03/03/2025 at 12:05, Lush Vlad said: Well this thread is absolute AIDS. Shall we start a combined XI thread for every team. Expand I blame this individual for starting it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monters Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 On 03/03/2025 at 12:03, Matt1892 said: It isn’t about current performance, it is about ability. Expand To take to ridiculous proportions put Shearer and Kluivert in then lol Unless I am mistaken you are criticizing Howe for being behind Forest despite having better players but in my opinion you need to take current availability and performance into as well especially long term availability... As I said earlier if you were picking a team from both sets of players to play a cup final in the the next couple of weeks Botman isn't in it and neither are Schar or Burn Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 On 03/03/2025 at 07:19, Matt1892 said: We can blame PSR for not being able to compete with City, Liverpool and Arsenal, but we have the 5th highest net spend over the last 5 years and have massively outspent the likes of Forest, Bournemouth and Brighton. 5) Newcastle: £-350.18m 24/25: £17.73m 23/24: £-85.79m (7th) 22/23: £-141.69m (4th) 21/22: £-108.17m (11th) 20/21: £-31.47m (12th) 9) Nottingham Forest: £-217.62m 24/25: £-15.58m 23/24: £-37.2m (17th) 22/23: £-160.27m (16th) 21/22: £-5.07m (4th in Championship) 20/21: £500,000 (17th in Championship) 12) Bournemouth: £-135.96m 24/25: £-49.67m 23/24: £-104.27m (12th) 22/23: £-68.88m (15th) 21/22: £10.08m (2nd in Championship) 20/21: £76.96m (6th in Championship) 16) Brighton: £-75.75m 24/25: £-191.58m 23/24: £69.1m (11th) 22/23: £70.82m (6th) 21/22: £3.25m (9th) 20/21: £-29.6m (16th) Expand Yes but we were starting from a lower base - i.e. not had any form of investment prior to that for over a decade Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 On 03/03/2025 at 12:21, duo said: Yes but we were starting from a lower base - i.e. not had any form of investment prior to that for over a decade Expand And sold nobody of any value. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 On 03/03/2025 at 12:08, TRon said: If this was Chelsea or Aston Villa I could understand these arguments. But didn't Forest and Bournemouth just come out of the Championship themselves not too long ago? How have they built a better squad? Some of the players being mentioned, we could have bought them if we wanted, but we didn't go for them, presumably because Howe wanted proven Premier players. Actually I am not even a critic of our signings, I think we've signed well compared to others, but we obviously paid top dollar for a lot of them to get them out of their clubs. Expand They're just at a different stage to us and are riding a wave of momentum. Liverpool and Chelsea fans would have said the same about our players in 22/23. If Forest and Bournemouth proceed to sign basically no one for the next 2 years and the current managers are still there, I guarantee they won't have them anywhere close to being in contention for the CL places. Squad staleness is one of the biggest challenges a manager can face. And yeah, we could have signed the players mentioned, but it would have been at the expense of other players we needed a massive overhaul when Howe took over and doing even half a job of that has impacted us in the market in the last couple of seasons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 On 03/03/2025 at 11:56, Matt1892 said: But if you put together the best 11 out of both of them would Botman be in it or not? Expand If we can't put him in our own actual 11 surely he can't be put in a combined one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt1892 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 (edited) On 03/03/2025 at 12:21, duo said: Yes but we were starting from a lower base - i.e. not had any form of investment prior to that for over a decade Expand Lower than Forest and Bournemouth who were Championship clubs? Worth remembering that Bournemouth started with the player Howe got them relegated with. Edited March 3 by Matt1892 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 On 03/03/2025 at 12:34, Matt1892 said: Lower than Forest and Bournemouth who were Championship clubs? Expand Well - tbf we had a Championship squad. Still have some Championship players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt1892 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 On 03/03/2025 at 12:37, duo said: Well - tbf we had a Championship squad. Still have some Championship players. Expand This is Forests Championship squad. https://www.espn.co.uk/football/team/squad/_/id/393/league/ENG.2/season/2021 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt1892 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 On 03/03/2025 at 12:10, Monters said: To take to ridiculous proportions put Shearer and Kluivert in then lol Unless I am mistaken you are criticizing Howe for being behind Forest despite having better players but in my opinion you need to take current availability and performance into as well especially long term availability... As I said earlier if you were picking a team from both sets of players to play a cup final in the the next couple of weeks Botman isn't in it and neither are Schar or Burn Expand You are indeed mistaken. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 Forest have signed 2 or 3 full squads since they got promoted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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