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8 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

The 1 in 9 away games. Having not gone to any of the toughest away grounds bar Etihad. 

 

You're characterising Howe as 'streaky' based on 9 away games in an unprecedented injury hit season.

 

Seems rational. 

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4 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

You’re being sensitive. I’ve not said he’s a bad manager or anything like that. 

 

I mean, I'm very much  not being sensitive, odd characterisation of my question tbh. 

 

So far I've read you say "I can see how Howe got Bournemouth relegated" and how you can see how he's "streaky" based on a ludicrously small samples of poor admittedly poor performance.

 

I just think they're really shite opinions tbh. We all have them sometimes, some more than others though?

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Just now, Thumbheed said:

 

You're characterising Howe as 'streaky' based on 9 away games in an unprecedented injury hit season.

 

Seems rational. 

I’m not necessarily saying he’s streaky, the Bournemouth fan said that. 
 

I think he’s a bit rigid and doubles down on his plan rather than switching things up or trying to find other answers. There’s been number of games I’ve hoped he makes a sub, changes shape, does something and he keeps doing what he’s doing. For most of his time here, he’s had more options anyway and that approach has worked nearly all the time.  This season, away from home, it hasn’t worked. Howe hasn’t done much different in both outcomes. 

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7 minutes ago, Thumbheed said:

 

You're characterising Howe as 'streaky' based on 9 away games in an unprecedented injury hit season.

 

Seems rational. 

I think it's a combination of the style not being sustainable at the level of intensity of 3 games a week and a certain degree of inflexibility. Today for instance they had 5 in MF versus our 3 which you could see was a mis match after 5 minutes or less. Given the level of fatigue, controlling the midfield becomes much more important, no?

 

 

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Just now, The Prophet said:

Klopp successfully implemented a high intensity strategy three times a week. Perhaps we need some of uncle Jürgen's magic inhalers?

I don't think we've even been that much of a high press team since earlier this calendar year.

 

Swear our final third turnovers and distance covered had dropped. Something we employ more as a tactic now than the whole philosophy.

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1 minute ago, Shearergol said:

We could get Gerrard in now to get that new manager bounce. Or the crowd could promise to be less toxic and give Bruce his job back.

This is a pathetic approach. The Gerrard point is weak. And this… it’s not even a point you’re just being a poor WUM.  
 

But no I’m happy with Howe. I just don’t think he’s infallible and he has weaknesses as a football manager. He’ll have more successes than failures in this game. But he did have a failure at the end of his Bournemouth spell which he can admit too so why can’t you? 

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Just now, The College Dropout said:

This is a pathetic approach. The Gerrard point is weak. And this… it’s not even a point you’re just being a poor WUM.  
 

But no I’m happy with Howe. I just don’t think he’s infallible and he has weaknesses as a football manager. He’ll have more successes than failures in this game. But he did have a failure at the end of his Bournemouth spell which he can admit too so why can’t you? 

He’s not a robot. He, the players and the club all have limitations. Most of us recognise them. 

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Just now, Shearergol said:

He’s not a robot. He, the players and the club all have limitations. Most of us recognise them. 

I think everyone recognizes them, but if you are saying there is no room for any kind of improvement then they I guess they just stick to the current tactic away from home and hope for a different result.

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Just now, OverThere said:

I think everyone recognizes them, but if you are saying there is no room for any kind of improvement then they I guess they just stick to the current tactic away from home and hope for a different result.

How long do you want to give him to prove it to you that he can, and does learn? When we have the squad back? Another 10 games? What’s your actually answer here? We’re in a shit run of form, there’s plenty of reasons for it, I’m just wondering what the actual debate is here?

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So, which other manager will take us top 4 with Dubrovka, Lascelles, Longstaff, Almiron and with 2 strikers made of glass? (to mention a few)

 

We are no better than where we are and it will be too easy to blame Howe as a scapegoat here.

 

The only thing I'm somewhat critical of is that this style of play is unlikely to be sustainable over several years if you're going to compete in PL, CL and cups. Must be able to have the ball much more and more creative players. Can't just base the game on us running the opponent down. There will probably be more rotation when more people return from injury.

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Every top team has to be able to run and play with intensity but we are unable to do this right now, for every obvious reasons. 

 

We have been attempting to run, press and counter press, with the same 11 most games, games every 3 days for 2 months now, and it's run us into the ground. And we are really suffering.

 

No manager could realistically keep CL form in this situation.  But to Howe's credit, doesn't use it as an excuse, and sets up to win every game, no matter what competition it is.

 

Even PSG away from home.  He went for it.  It's commendable.  Shouldn't be getting any real stick imo.  

 

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I am confident in Eddie’s ability to learn and the clubs ability to learn from this - we’ve been handicapped for a few months - it’s not an excuse but a reality - to not have at least 6 players hurts you massively 

 

We have to add quality - that’s a mere fact

 

Just have to be patient 

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13 minutes ago, Shearergol said:

How long do you want to give him to prove it to you that he can, and does learn? When we have the squad back? Another 10 games? What’s your actually answer here? We’re in a shit run of form, there’s plenty of reasons for it, I’m just wondering what the actual debate is here?

To not see 4-3-3 on the road from the kick off, given the run of form. Grind out a result. Look at the state of the squad and employ the tactics based on that not on the system that he has schemed merely on paper

 

 

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