OverThere Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, Thumbheed said: We've had champions league form since January 2021 and are currently 7 points adrift of CL this year round. What 'streak' are you exactly seeing that others aren't? The one where we are very good at home and shit away. We could get 50 points at home and 10-15 away. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 The 1 in 9 away games. Having not gone to any of the toughest away grounds bar Etihad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decky Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 (edited) I wouldn't support it at all but if the second half of the season is like the first I could see the ownership replacing Howe in the summer. I think because of what Howe did the season he came here, and then last season we have a lot of loyalty for him and rightly so but we've lost 7 games already in the league, if that were to get to 12 or more by the end of the season you'd wonder what the owners would think of that. Obviously we'd all want him to have another crack next season but would they? Edited December 23, 2023 by Decky Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 7 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: He was the manager for the entire season Bournemouth were relegated. That was his squad in full. If it was another manager - we would say that manager relegated the team. I really wouldn't, because that would be willfully ignorant of every other factor. Teams can and do go down for a number of reasons other than the manager - lack of signings, injury crises, pure bad luck, referee cock ups, other teams cheating, in Howe's case a few of them plus goal line technology failing. Saying Howe 'got' Bournemouth relegated is just daft. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 1 minute ago, Decky said: I wouldn't support it at all but if the second half of the season is like the first I could see the ownership replacing Howe in the summer. I think because of what Howe did the season he came here, and then last season we have a lot of loyalty for him and rightly so but we've lost 7 games already in the league, if that were to get to 12 or more by the end of the season you'd wonder what the owners would think of that. Obviously we'd all want him to have another crack next season but would they? If we finish top 8 he should be fine imo. Unless we could get Xabi Alonso or someone. From a distance he looks like the next big thing. Otherwise there’s no justification to sack him and I don’t think we could bring in a better manager Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oregon_Geordie Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 Reet! Just nailing my colours to the mast and declaring my full support for Eddie. I hope he's still in the dugout next season and for many more - a few have short memories and need to thank their lucky stars we have him. He works his nuts off, is a credit to the club and city and just needs some fucking fresh players - Get the injured back and a few more in, and most importantly get them 100% and we'll be fine. Yes, he's got shit to learn, don't we all. And I'm sure he's doing more than anyone to fix this. Anyway - let's get behind him! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 Just now, Kid Icarus said: I really wouldn't, because that would be willfully ignorant of every other factor. Teams can and do go down for a number of reasons other than the manager - lack of signings, injury crises, pure bad luck, referee cock ups, other teams cheating, in Howe's case a few of them plus goal line technology failing. Saying Howe 'got' Bournemouth relegated is just daft. Ok fair enough if you don’t like the wording. ‘I can see how Howe was the manager of a team that got relegated from the PL having kept them up for 2-3 seasons prior.’ Better? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thumbheed Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 7 minutes ago, OverThere said: The one where we are very good at home and shit away. We could get 50 points at home and 10-15 away. Oh! So 9 games out of nearly 100. Got it👍 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OverThere Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Decky said: I wouldn't support it at all but if the second half of the season is like the first I could see the ownership replacing Howe in the summer. I think because of what Howe did the season he came here, and then last season we have a lot of loyalty for him and rightly so but we've lost 7 games already in the league, if that were to get to 12 or more by the end of the season you'd wonder what the owners would think of that. Obviously we'd all want him to have another crack next season but would they? I think they would given we won't have European football. I do believe the style of play that made us successful is unsustainable though. Klopp played a similar style and Liverpool had a big fall off the next season. Edited December 23, 2023 by OverThere Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 1 minute ago, Thumbheed said: Oh! So 9 games out of nearly 100. Got it👍 You’re being sensitive. I’ve not said he’s a bad manager or anything like that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OverThere Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 1 minute ago, Thumbheed said: Oh! So 9 games out of nearly 100. Got it👍 He said a streak and that is what it is. 1 win in 9 is a streak. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thumbheed Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 8 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: The 1 in 9 away games. Having not gone to any of the toughest away grounds bar Etihad. You're characterising Howe as 'streaky' based on 9 away games in an unprecedented injury hit season. Seems rational. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thumbheed Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 4 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: You’re being sensitive. I’ve not said he’s a bad manager or anything like that. I mean, I'm very much not being sensitive, odd characterisation of my question tbh. So far I've read you say "I can see how Howe got Bournemouth relegated" and how you can see how he's "streaky" based on a ludicrously small samples of poor admittedly poor performance. I just think they're really shite opinions tbh. We all have them sometimes, some more than others though👍 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 Our away form has become a concern, but the mitigating factors are such that I'm not remotely concerned. It might be a rough few weeks but once fixture congestion eases after the international break, I have every confidence we'll rally. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 Just now, Thumbheed said: You're characterising Howe as 'streaky' based on 9 away games in an unprecedented injury hit season. Seems rational. I’m not necessarily saying he’s streaky, the Bournemouth fan said that. I think he’s a bit rigid and doubles down on his plan rather than switching things up or trying to find other answers. There’s been number of games I’ve hoped he makes a sub, changes shape, does something and he keeps doing what he’s doing. For most of his time here, he’s had more options anyway and that approach has worked nearly all the time. This season, away from home, it hasn’t worked. Howe hasn’t done much different in both outcomes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OverThere Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Thumbheed said: You're characterising Howe as 'streaky' based on 9 away games in an unprecedented injury hit season. Seems rational. I think it's a combination of the style not being sustainable at the level of intensity of 3 games a week and a certain degree of inflexibility. Today for instance they had 5 in MF versus our 3 which you could see was a mis match after 5 minutes or less. Given the level of fatigue, controlling the midfield becomes much more important, no? Edited December 23, 2023 by OverThere Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 We could get Gerrard in now to get that new manager bounce. Or the crowd could promise to be less toxic and give Bruce his job back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 Klopp successfully implemented a high intensity strategy three times a week. Perhaps we need some of uncle Jürgen's magic inhalers? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 1 minute ago, The Prophet said: Klopp successfully implemented a high intensity strategy three times a week. Perhaps we need some of uncle Jürgen's magic inhalers? Never relegated Bournemouth either Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thumbheed Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 Said it earlier in the thread but it's funny how no one's now complaining about Howe making almost the same subs at bang on the 60 minute mark because he hasn't had the luxury to do so and our performances are suffering as a result. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 Just now, The Prophet said: Klopp successfully implemented a high intensity strategy three times a week. Perhaps we need some of uncle Jürgen's magic inhalers? I don't think we've even been that much of a high press team since earlier this calendar year. Swear our final third turnovers and distance covered had dropped. Something we employ more as a tactic now than the whole philosophy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 1 minute ago, Shearergol said: We could get Gerrard in now to get that new manager bounce. Or the crowd could promise to be less toxic and give Bruce his job back. This is a pathetic approach. The Gerrard point is weak. And this… it’s not even a point you’re just being a poor WUM. But no I’m happy with Howe. I just don’t think he’s infallible and he has weaknesses as a football manager. He’ll have more successes than failures in this game. But he did have a failure at the end of his Bournemouth spell which he can admit too so why can’t you? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 Just now, Shearergol said: Never relegated Bournemouth either He did relegate Mainz though, evidence of his streaky form. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OverThere Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, Shearergol said: Never relegated Bournemouth either Ridiculous comment. Ok Eddie is perfect and should never be questioned, especially not on a football discussion forum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 Just now, The College Dropout said: This is a pathetic approach. The Gerrard point is weak. And this… it’s not even a point you’re just being a poor WUM. But no I’m happy with Howe. I just don’t think he’s infallible and he has weaknesses as a football manager. He’ll have more successes than failures in this game. But he did have a failure at the end of his Bournemouth spell which he can admit too so why can’t you? He’s not a robot. He, the players and the club all have limitations. Most of us recognise them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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