Eddie Howe

[KaKa]

4 minutes ago, Holmesy said:

Literally every top team and every elite manager uses two pacey, mobile, creative fullbacks.
Eddie isn’t better than all of them and doesn’t know something they don’t. There’s a very obvious reason none of them use a 6 foot 7 lumbering giant who moves like a 4 story blocks of flats at full back. Because it’s a shit idea and it isn’t effective! 

 

We had the best defence in the league with Burn playing there last season.

 

It also gives us an advantage on set pieces. He has scored goals this season that have actually won us games.

 

I'd love a more traditional full back, and think that will come next season, but let's not pretend the manager is some dummy and doesn't know what he's doing.

 

 

Edited February 3 by KaKa

[TheBrownBottle]

4 minutes ago, Holmesy said:

Literally every top team and every elite manager uses two pacey, mobile, creative fullbacks.
Eddie isn’t better than all of them and doesn’t know something they don’t. There’s a very obvious reason none of them use a 6 foot 7 lumbering giant who moves like a 4 story blocks of flats at full back. Because it’s a shit idea and it isn’t effective! 

It was very effective in the league’s best defence last season - he tucks in as a third centre half, freeing up Trippier to bomb on.  The loss of Joelinton and Willock has been a massive problem, as they would do a lot of cover work with their athleticism and strength.  If there’s a criticism to be levelled at Howe, it’s that we’ve continued doing this despite the personnel required not being available 

[Jaqen]

2 minutes ago, Holmesy said:

Literally every top team and every elite manager uses two pacey, mobile, creative fullbacks.
Eddie isn’t better than all of them and doesn’t know something they don’t. There’s a very obvious reason none of them use a 6 foot 7 lumbering giant who moves like a 4 story blocks of flats at full back. Because it’s a shit idea and it isn’t effective! 

 

I mean the teams who finished 1st and 2nd last season were using CB's as fullbacks. So 3 out of the top 4 sides were doing it 

[STM]

21 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

Would rather he didn’t play very much next season. He’s not ready imo. Needs to develop physically. When he’s 19/20 he’ll be ready for serious minutes. 

 

Totally agree with this. He's an 8/10 on the ball, but he's like a 4/10 tactically.

 

He needs some growing and some maturing. I'd suggest a upper championship loan.... however loaning players isn't out strong suit.

[Hanshithispantz]

2 minutes ago, Jaqen said:

 

I mean the teams who finished 1st and 2nd last season were using CB's as fullbacks. So 3 out of the top 4 sides were doing it 

 

[Novocastrian]

10 minutes ago, Holmesy said:

Literally every top team and every elite manager uses two pacey, mobile, creative fullbacks.
Eddie isn’t better than all of them and doesn’t know something they don’t. There’s a very obvious reason none of them use a 6 foot 7 lumbering giant who moves like a 4 story blocks of flats at full back. Because it’s a shit idea and it isn’t effective! 

He needs to eradicate this blind spot he has very quickly. Elite managers don’t continually make mistakes like that.

[Holmesy]

Last season lads, last season. Every club has a team of analysts whose job it is to identify ways to negate team’s strengths and exploit their weaknesses. We’re shipping goals for fun this season because we’ve been worked out to a large degree.

Last season we were a bit of an unknown quantity. This season we’re being played through with ease regularly and targeted down Dan Burn’s flank. And it’s working. 
 

[Holmesy]

5 minutes ago, Jaqen said:

 

I mean the teams who finished 1st and 2nd last season were using CB's as fullbacks. So 3 out of the top 4 sides were doing it 

6 foot 7, immobile CBs completely devoid of any creativity? 

[MrRaspberryJam]

1 minute ago, Holmesy said:

6 foot 7, immobile CBs completely devoid of any creativity? 

Just admit you got it wrong and stop moving the goalposts. 

[BonesJones]

6 minutes ago, Jaqen said:

 

I mean the teams who finished 1st and 2nd last season were using CB's as fullbacks. So 3 out of the top 4 sides were doing it 

 

Who were the other CB's that were used as fullbacks?

[STM]

2 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

It was very effective in the league’s best defence last season - he tucks in as a third centre half, freeing up Trippier to bomb on.  The loss of Joelinton and Willock has been a massive problem, as they would do a lot of cover work with their athleticism and strength.  If there’s a criticism to be levelled at Howe, it’s that we’ve continued doing this despite the personnel required not being available 

 

There's some good points in here tonight and this is one of them.

 

Put Burn in the box, with lofted balls or a bit of a scrap and he will win everything, stick him wide left back with a pacey winger and he's fucked.

 

It's also worth mentioning that there's every chance he's lost a yard since last season.... and he wasn't Usain Bolt to begin with.

 

Things change, he's being exposed. Livramento can at least grow.

 

I'm not saying Burn is done here, in fact, the big fella will benefit from less games and coming into a good side. It's become painful. As soon as Howe bites the bullet, we will benefit from it.

 

 

[Hanshithispantz]

1 minute ago, BonesJones said:

 

Who were the other CB's that were used as fullbacks?

I'm assuming one's who were slower than Ogbone

[Holmesy]

1 minute ago, MrRaspberryJam said:

Just admit you got it wrong and stop moving the goalposts. 

How am I moving the goalposts you knob? ?

Nathan Ake plays like a fullback, John Stones is one of the best ball playing CBs in the PL, and highly mobile, and Ben White is basically John Stones mk2. If you think Dan Burn belongs in that category you need to put the bottle down pal. 

[Hanshithispantz]

Just now, Holmesy said:

How am I moving the goalposts you knob? ?

Nathan Ake plays like a fullback, John Stones is one of the best ball playing CBs in the PL, and highly mobile, and Ben White is basically John Stones mk2. If you think Dan Burn belongs in that category you need to put the bottle down pal. 

How do you think they'd do isolated against Usain Bolt?

[STM]

5 minutes ago, Novocastrian said:

He needs to eradicate this blind spot he has very quickly. Elite managers don’t continually make mistakes like that.

 

He does need to address this issue but I'm not having the "Elite managers yada".

 

Jurgen Klopp didn't make poor judgements at Mainz? Klopp made poor judgements last season man.

 

Only 2 years ago Pep didn't play a DM in the CL final and got beat. Despite people warning against it prior. Great managers make mistakes. 

[Andy]

7 minutes ago, Jaqen said:

 

I mean the teams who finished 1st and 2nd last season were using CB's as fullbacks. So 3 out of the top 4 sides were doing it 

 

In fairness, City and Arsenal have the luxury of having top class players in almost every other position to make up for that. The players they had at fullback are also faster than Burn.

 

Burn has been badly exposed because of the lack of protection from midfield this season; last season he had Willock and Joelinton doubling up to help him. Miley (understandably) and Longstaff don't do it as effectively, so if Gordon isn't back helping out he's in trouble. 

 

We have a fullback sat on the bench who so far has shown he doesn't need the same level of protection. Ogbene was anonymous when Tino came on today. 

[Holmesy]

Just now, Hanshithispantz said:

How do you think they'd do isolated against Usain Bolt?

A shit load better than Dan Burn. 
But I’ don’t think their managers would play them in a game where they would be up against Usain Bolt. 

[duo]

2 hours ago, nufc123 said:

Deserved all the praise after Villa. Really poor today. Got to take a lot of the blame.

tbf Burn has been a liability for a while - even against Villa he had to bring on Tino to help cover for him.  I don't understand why Eddie doesn't tell Burn to stop flying forward - he adds nothing to the attack and it keeps resulting in us being hit on the break.

[Novocastrian]

1 minute ago, STM said:

 

He does need to address this issue but I'm not having the "Elite managers yada".

 

Jurgen Klopp didn't make poor judgements at Mainz? Klopp made poor judgements last season man.

 

Only 2 years ago Pep didn't play a DM in the CL final and got beat. Despite people warning against it prior. Great managers make mistakes. 

Yes and they learn from them. Let’s see what happens next. 

[STM]

6 minutes ago, BonesJones said:

 

Who were the other CB's that were used as fullbacks?

 

Ake and White. Both better than Burn but Jaqens point stands.

 

Of course you can play CBs at full back... if you have 80% possession every week and the full back hasn't the turning capabilities of the Costa Concordia.

[Holmesy]

2 minutes ago, STM said:

 

He does need to address this issue but I'm not having the "Elite managers yada".

 

Jurgen Klopp didn't make poor judgements at Mainz? Klopp made poor judgements last season man.

 

Only 2 years ago Pep didn't play a DM in the CL final and got beat. Despite people warning against it prior. Great managers make mistakes. 

Truly great managers learn from them and tend not to repeat them.

[M1tche]

City also had John Stones stepping in DM from whatever position he starred in. 

 

You could also argue that Ben White being so limited going forward is a reason Arsenal get shut down in games and Saka looks isolated, so they have the same problem as us in that respect 

[Wolfcastle]

1 hour ago, Zero said:

How about at the very least pointing out this is not the standard we should be expecting?

 

This Howe love is getting ridiculous. If you don’t expect a win at home against a relegation fighters, then tell me what’s your expectation for our league position?

Love in?! You mean respect and benefit of the doubt for a number of years of excellent work and results.?

Keegan, Sir Bobby and every future manager we'll ever have will drop points at home against relegation fighters.

People's expectancy of position in this seasons circumstances seems to be around 6-8. Probably only been several thousands examples of a team around 7th not beating relegation threatened teams at home. We drew 0-0 at home to a bunch of them last season ffs

 

 

 

Edited February 3 by Wolfcastle

[Yorkie]

1 hour ago, Zero said:

How about at the very least pointing out this is not the standard we should be expecting?

 

This Howe love is getting ridiculous. If you don’t expect a win at home against a relegation fighters, then tell me what’s your expectation for our league position?

 

Expecting a win and calling out a poor result is fair enough; but sometimes it happens - there's a squad of professional footballers on our side and a squad of professional footballers on their side. The away defeat was in the midst of that awful schedule with all the injuries. But you're in the Eddie Howe thread saying it's unacceptable. We got zero wins against Bournemouth last season too; none against Leeds or Crystal Palace either. Was that unacceptable?

 

It's not about unconditional praise for Howe; he made errors today and I'm bothered by his delays when it comes to making changes. It's about calling out unnecessarily loaded and negative conclusions which don't consider the nuances of the situation.

[M1tche]

I can see why he brought him straight back in, last season they were 1 of the best back 4's in the league. We wasn't playing well at the time and he wanted to be solid 1st. I don't agree with it, but I see why. 

 

It's what he does now that's key for me, because it clear that's the weak point, and everytime Tino comes it the clear problem goes away. If gor whatever reason he doesn't address that, then he rightly deserved to be questioned about it.