Eddie Howe

[Shearergol]

  On 29/02/2024 at 10:34, The College Dropout said:

@The Prophet Klopp improved the final league position with Dortmund every season until winning the league. We are headed towards a substantial regression. That's a major difference. 

 

Howe's tenure is closer to Arteta's. But that first-full season was genuinely bad. He was deservedly under pressure and they were right to question him and his ability. I suspect Howe will be allowed to turn it around much like Arteta too.

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If only there was some ready-to-hand factual evidence to shine a light on why that might be the case. There probably isn't though, no.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

  On 29/02/2024 at 10:38, Shearergol said:

 

If only there was some ready-to-hand factual evidence to shine a light on why that might be the case. There probably isn't though, no.

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This discussion is genuinely mental

 

It’s like people coming inside from a massive storm and arguing about why they’re wet. 

[KaKa]

  On 29/02/2024 at 10:38, SUPERTOON said:

Personally don’t think what Howe did in his first 18 months or so here can be compared to anyone else tbh. It genuinely was a miracle from him to take us from were we where to the top 4 in that time period.

Not just in terms of league position either, but he pretty much implemented a complete change of style of play in on pre season. Genuinely don’t think any other manager would have done the same.

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The change in style definitely doesn't get spoken about as much nowadays, especially considering the abject state of things when he took over.

 

Some of the electrifying performances we've had during his tenure man.

 

If we can just build this squad up a bit more in the right areas and make those performances more of the norm, man we are on our way.

[The Prophet]

The Crystal Palace result at the end of October is as complete a performance we've seen under Howe.

 

It was a few weeks before the injuries piled up and the wheels completely came off.  It's easy to forget we were playing some lovely stuff even earlier this season.

[The College Dropout]

  On 29/02/2024 at 10:37, The College Dropout said:

Fair enough. You didn't quote any of those people in your recent run of posts. The discussion is about our manager's pedigree and where people have him ranked vs other managers. But fair enough we are talking about different things and people.

 

I agree - a lot of notable people on Twitter are Howe-out and that doesn't make sense to me at all. I don't even really believe it.  I think it's engagement baiting. That Rob M is one of them.

 

 

 

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For me btw.. Howe's achievements last season has given him enough credit to get the whole of this season. I think I need to see green shoots of recovery by the end of the season for me to be convinced he's the right man for next season. Liverpool went 8 wins in 9 towards the end of last season for example. I don't need to see that but I need to see something.

[KaKa]

  On 29/02/2024 at 10:37, The College Dropout said:

Fair enough. You didn't quote any of those people in your recent run of posts. The discussion is about our manager's pedigree and where people have him ranked vs other managers. But fair enough we are talking about different things and people.

 

I agree - a lot of notable people on Twitter are Howe-out and that doesn't make sense to me at all. I don't even really believe it.  I think it's engagement baiting. That Rob M is one of them.

 

 

 

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Yeah, too early to discuss ranking him against some of the managers that are being spoken of, however, I can understand people saying it's still early enough and open enough for him to stake a claim. A good summer and a chance to go again next season and everything will start to look a lot clearer regarding what direction he's heading in.

[et tu brute]

Howe has a good period of games with a stronger squad to improve things on the pitch and our league position (I believe he will although Blackburn did make me question a few things). If he doesn't and our current form continues, then I think there is a strong possibility that PIF may well look to replace. That's the way of the footballing world now.

[The College Dropout]

  On 29/02/2024 at 10:54, KaKa said:

 

Yeah, too early to discuss ranking him against some of the managers that are being spoken of, however, I can understand people saying it's still early enough and open enough for him to stake a claim. A good summer and a chance to go again next season and everything will start to look a lot clearer regarding what direction he's heading in.

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I also need to see him in another European campaign to see if he's learnt lessons. You can't replicate the intensity of the CL but we'll get an idea with any Euro competition.

 

He's had the harshest introduction to European football of any manager I can remember. Straight into the big leagues and a group of death. And a style least compatible with competing in CL, league etc. 

[KaKa]

  On 29/02/2024 at 10:51, The College Dropout said:

For me btw.. Howe's achievements last season has given him enough credit to get the whole of this season. I think I need to see green shoots of recovery by the end of the season for me to be convinced he's the right man for next season. Liverpool went 8 wins in 9 towards the end of last season for example. I don't need to see that but I need to see something.

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For me it really starts this summer. Has to target and upgrade the right areas and ensure more quality is added to improve the first team. The overall quality of the squad cannot be as much of an issue or topic of discussion next season. If it is it will be on him.

 

I think if he gets that right everything else will start to fall back into place, and what we did last season will be more of what we see consistently.

[KaKa]

  On 29/02/2024 at 10:59, The College Dropout said:

I also need to see him in another European campaign to see if he's learnt lessons. You can't replicate the intensity of the CL but we'll get an idea with any Euro competition.

 

He's had the harshest introduction to European football of any manager I can remember. Straight into the big leagues and a group of death. And a style least compatible with competing in CL, league etc. 

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Some form of European football would be great, to see some progression in managing the demands on the squad and competing more effectively on all fronts for sure.

 

Hope we can manage it, but the way Longstaff and Willock looked against Blackburn, I'm not feeling too confident. They seem miles off the levels required and there isn't much time now, and most of our issues are stemming from that midfield area.

 

 

Edited February 29, 2024 by KaKa

[Shearergol]

  On 29/02/2024 at 10:59, The College Dropout said:

I also need to see him in another European campaign to see if he's learnt lessons. You can't replicate the intensity of the CL but we'll get an idea with any Euro competition.

 

He's had the harshest introduction to European football of any manager I can remember. Straight into the big leagues and a group of death. And a style least compatible with competing in CL, league etc. 

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I don't want to get into a debate or argument about this, but I do love how your posts read like you're the ultimate decision maker at the club

[Dr Venkman]

  On 29/02/2024 at 10:34, The College Dropout said:

@The Prophet Klopp improved the final league position with Dortmund every season until winning the league. We are headed towards a substantial regression. That's a major difference. 

 

Howe's tenure is closer to Arteta's. But that first-full season was genuinely bad. He was deservedly under pressure and they were right to question him and his ability. I suspect Howe will be allowed to turn it around much like Arteta too.

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Big assumption, this.

[Dokko]

  On 29/02/2024 at 05:49, mouldy_uk said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/68423241
 

Football schedule is not just a health risk but is 'killing the product', says PFA

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About fucking time. It's directly linked to ffp as well which is ruining the health of footballers having to be overworked. 

 

Everything needs to change. 

[The College Dropout]

  On 29/02/2024 at 11:16, Dr Venkman said:

 

Big assumption, this.

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Sir, we are 11th and looking baaaaaaad.

 

  On 29/02/2024 at 11:08, Shearergol said:

 

I don't want to get into a debate or argument about this, but I do love how your posts read like you're the ultimate decision maker at the club

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It's about my own personal opinion. 

 

I'm intrigued by what the club does if we don't finish in Europe. But I don't want to see it.

[Dr Venkman]

  On 29/02/2024 at 11:28, The College Dropout said:

Sir, we are 11th and looking baaaaaaad.

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Yeah, but that's ignoring the context. In Howe's time here we've been great more than we've been bad. The bad spell has corresponded with a ridiculous amount of mitigating circumstances. It's a big assumption that we're heading towards a substantial regression. In fact, Howe's time here so far suggests that he will turn it around once the mitigating circumstances abate somewhat.

[Keegans Export]

  On 29/02/2024 at 11:41, Dr Venkman said:

 

Yeah, but that's ignoring the context. In Howe's time here we've been great more than we've been bad. The bad spell has corresponded with a ridiculous amount of mitigating circumstances. It's a big assumption that we're heading towards a substantial regression. In fact, Howe's time here so far suggests that he will turn it around once the mitigating circumstances abate somewhat.

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Are the mitigating circumstances not abating somewhat already? We haven't played European football since before Christmas, Tuesday was our first midweek game in over a month. We've had a weeks gap between five of the previous seven games. We've started getting players back from injury. Have the performances notably improved?

[NG32]

Bring back Brewcy !

[Dr Venkman]

  On 29/02/2024 at 11:58, Keegans Export said:

Are the mitigating circumstances not abating somewhat already? We haven't played European football since before Christmas, Tuesday was our first midweek game in over a month. We've had a weeks gap between five of the previous seven games. We've started getting players back from injury. Have the performances notably improved?

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I think some lag is completely understandable, it’s not an exact science.

[Hanshithispantz]

Our form has dramatically improved since our fixture list lightened.

 

We're still nowhere near where we need to be, but we're clearly not a free hit like we were a couple of months ago.

[Shearergol]

  On 29/02/2024 at 11:58, Keegans Export said:

Are the mitigating circumstances not abating somewhat already? We haven't played European football since before Christmas, Tuesday was our first midweek game in over a month. We've had a weeks gap between five of the previous seven games. We've started getting players back from injury. Have the performances notably improved?

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think everyone’s in agreement that the two main issues are the midfield 3, and Pope missing. That hasn’t changed.

 

even with players coming back, our “best” players just as Bruno, Gordon and Isak are visibly knackered. The fact that Willock and Barnes are coming back in will start to help, but we’re weeks away from it.

[Dr Venkman]

I also think Pope has been our biggest miss.

[Keegans Export]

  On 29/02/2024 at 12:02, Dr Venkman said:

I think some lag is completely understandable, it’s not an exact science.

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That's fair enough. I think we have a very favourable run of games coming up and sooner or later "Injuries" is going to start to wear a bit thin.

 

edit - and on the GK issue, yes he's been a miss but we have been wide open through the midfield for a number of weeks now and that isn't all on Dubravka/Karius. Something is amiss and it's (ultimately) the responsibility of the manager to identify the issue and attempt to resolve it.

 

 

Edited February 29, 2024 by Keegans Export

[Keegans Export]

  On 29/02/2024 at 12:04, Shearergol said:

think everyone’s in agreement that the two main issues are the midfield 3, and Pope missing. That hasn’t changed.

 

even with players coming back, our “best” players just as Bruno, Gordon and Isak are visibly knackered. The fact that Willock and Barnes are coming back in will start to help, but we’re weeks away from it.

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That midfield three still includes Bruno & Longstaff, who played a key part last season. Now Willock is on the way back, Anderson too. Plus Miley. As I say above, yes the injuries have been a massive issue but if that situation continues to improve with a decent set of fixtures coming up it's not unreasonable to expect a noticeable uptick in performances?

[Dr Venkman]

  On 29/02/2024 at 12:05, Keegans Export said:

That's fair enough. I think we have a very favourable run of games coming up and sooner or later "Injuries" is going to start to wear a bit thin.

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I can understand that. For me, as long as we’re in the fight for 7th I’m satisfied, given the circumstances. I do think we need an impressive performance ASAP to get everyone’s confidence back.

[leffe186]

  On 29/02/2024 at 10:43, AyeDubbleYoo said:

This discussion is genuinely mental

 

It’s like people coming inside from a massive storm and arguing about why they’re wet. 

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Just popped in and it seems to be Kaka arguing with TCD, is that right? I mean... .