Colos Short and Curlies Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 32 minutes ago, Toon1892 said: I’m really not. There is no guarantee you’ll sign one of those players on high wages and they won’t flop in the premier league. Theres a reason a proven player usually has a higher salary than an unproven player. Yes signing those unproven players regularly over the long term on lower wages would be amazing. But there hasn’t been a team able to do that long term and it can sometimes backfire- see Everton. And there is a reason premier league players are paid on average more than in other European leagues that is not linked to ability. You will get a player of the same ability from the German or French leagues for less wages than the equivalent in the Premier League. We did it with Bruno. You are right on the will they flop bit, but you can say the same about players moving between clubs - I'd give you Alexis Sanchez or Fernando Torres as 2 high profile 'sure bets' in fairly recent times who moved and flopped Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timeEd32 Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 Asked whether he has been reassured by the owners, including Saudi Arabia’s Public Investment Fund, Howe replied: “It’s difficult for me to speak for them, but I have felt a support and an understanding for the season that we have had and things that have been thrown at us and things that have happened. “That’s really important from my side that I do feel that support.” Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colos Short and Curlies Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 2 minutes ago, Interpolic said: Eh? I wasn't even on about you. I'm referring to posts in recent days saying anything below 7th is a failure because we've the 7th highest wage bill in the league. With no weight given to us having suffered 200 more injury days than the nearest team and 1000 days more than the two teams above us. It's a ridiculously reductive argument that has been an absolute fucking bore to read all week. Over time a bigger wage bill suggests a bigger squad who should be able to cope with injuries better. We aren't at that level yet as we have a Europa League position wage bill but an outside expectation of Champions League placement but as a general point wages=expected performance isn't the worst starting point Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 Just now, Colos Short and Curlies said: Over time a bigger wage bill suggests a bigger squad who should be able to cope with injuries better. We aren't at that level yet as we have a Europa League position wage bill but an outside expectation of Champions League placement but as a general point wages=expected performance isn't the worst starting point Yep I 100% agree - but ignoring all other context and saying we pay £50m more than other sides and all teams have injuries, therefore that's the yardstick and nothing else matters is bollocks. And it's been said this week. A lot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The College Dropout Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 27 minutes ago, Colos Short and Curlies said: And there is a reason premier league players are paid on average more than in other European leagues that is not linked to ability. You will get a player of the same ability from the German or French leagues for less wages than the equivalent in the Premier League. We did it with Bruno. You are right on the will they flop bit, but you can say the same about players moving between clubs - I'd give you Alexis Sanchez or Fernando Torres as 2 high profile 'sure bets' in fairly recent times who moved and flopped Oh but it is. Particularly once you get below the elite clubs in other nations and European regulars. West Ham aren't anything special in terms of squad, management and leadership. But their finances mean they should be able to give the Europa League a good go. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colos Short and Curlies Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 8 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: Oh but it is. Particularly once you get below the elite clubs in other nations and European regulars. West Ham aren't anything special in terms of squad, management and leadership. But their finances mean they should be able to give the Europa League a good go. I don't quite follow - sorry! I was cryptically saying that on average premier league players get paid more because the money is in the league through TV deals, so a comparable player in Germany or France will be on less wages than in England. Of course the money means that a Europa League club from England will (again on average) be able to spend more on a squad than the competition hence the English clubs always being in and around the favourites for all competitions Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellis80 Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 I don’t think anyone wants him sacked but he’s not got the previous experience/achievements to be untouchable for where the club want to be. If any of the current top 7 sacked their manager I don’t think he’d be considered by any of them if he was available. Maybe Tottenham. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 4 minutes ago, Colos Short and Curlies said: I don't quite follow - sorry! I was cryptically saying that on average premier league players get paid more because the money is in the league through TV deals, so a comparable player in Germany or France will be on less wages than in England. Of course the money means that a Europa League club from England will (again on average) be able to spend more on a squad than the competition hence the English clubs always being in and around the favourites for all competitions Yes what you're saying is correct. But that increase in revenue - also increases the quality of the league/team. I agree there is greater value to be found abroad but there's also greater risk in terms of quality (and other social and physical aspects). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 2 hours ago, The Prophet said: I can't even remember what is being debated. I just logged in today and that is exactly what went through my mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovejoy Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 Every thread I enter is just so TCD heavy it's untrue ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 7 minutes ago, TRon said: I just logged in today and that is exactly what went through my mind. I'm not sure either. I think we have finally accepted the most accurate reports that have us with the 7th highest wage bill and 6th highest squad cost in the league.. and that should probably correlate roughly with league position in some way.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 4 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: I'm not sure either. I think we have finally accepted the most accurate reports that have us with the 7th highest wage bill and 6th highest squad cost in the league.. and that should probably correlate roughly with league position in some way.... Thanks. That's saved me reading back a few pages. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timeEd32 Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 5 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: I'm not sure either. I think we have finally accepted the most accurate reports that have us with the 7th highest wage bill and 6th highest squad cost in the league.. and that should probably correlate roughly with league position in some way.... Where are you getting 6th from? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnonel Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 18 minutes ago, lovejoy said: Every thread I enter is just so TCD heavy it's untrue ? needs to take a break Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 34 minutes ago, timeEd32 said: Where are you getting 6th from? Please don’t start it back off ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timeEd32 Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 14 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said: Please don’t start it back off ? I'm sorry, I need to know what metric or source has us above Spurs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoU Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 We’re Playing away I don’t know who’s fit to play We’ll beat them anyway Today needs a tactical mastermind Pressing away We’ll be coming for your goal, okay? Eddie howe (Eddie howe) Eddie howe (Eddie howe) We’ll be champs In a year or two Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoU Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 I know it’s bad. But just imagine how happy he would be ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mouldy_uk Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mouldy_uk Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 Amazing what some fit players and a bench can do for a manager Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miggys First Goal Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 My King! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 A fit squad, with options from the bench, with one of our main runners back in the middle, and we look much more competent and keep a clean sheet. Shock horror. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 hE nEeDeD tHaT Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBG Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 Dare I say it could've been 4 if Hall was brought on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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