Eddie Howe

[Gawalls]

3 minutes ago, 54 said:

Well yeah obviously  

 

My post was more that the conversation has been about our manager potentially getting sacked after guiding us to yet another semi-final, and a couple of really good results and more importantly performances.

 

It just feels like some people love being negative as a football fan, which personally, I just don't get.

Fair enough just don’t get carried away it was against weak team that ha  as a really bad away record and Leicester were terrible as well. If we win at the weekend then yeah things look good. Our form has been up and down like a perverted arsehole this season though so people are sceptical that’s all.

[Shearergol]

22 minutes ago, andycap said:

Miggy will have decent price around 8-12 million probably. 

Trippier maybes 4 million at a push. 

Wilson could be bought for spare parts. 😂 

 

22 minutes ago, andycap said:

Miggy will have decent price around 8-12

 

 

22 minutes ago, andycap said:

million

 

 

 

 

[TRon]

11 minutes ago, JEToon said:

 

No, but if does when it is being framed as though the club have seemingly lost belief in him, it is the consequence of people getting stuck in an echo chamber and thinking there is much substance to #sackEddie #Howeout out etc and so on

 

For the most part, our season is just about on trend of where most would expect it to be out with a few poor results, there has never really been much substance to validate this constant narrative Howe is a man on the brink of being sacked which IS pushed often as a narrative by some, and is being leaned on when it is suggested that would be the reason the board wouldn’t back him

 

I really doubt there was ever any real thought about sacking Howe this season, especially since the results have been mixed for most teams expected to be challenging for top 6 places. We'll see how the season pans out and assess at the end of it. I do think Mitchell has been brought in to take a different approach in the transfer market to address the PSR handicap, so if we make any signings in January, will be with a future focus unless we get a really great deal.

[Cf]

2 hours ago, Matt1892 said:

There are clubs that I wouldn’t expect us to rival in terms of performances like Liverpool, Arsenal, Man City and Chelsea but there is no reason why we shouldn’t be competing with Spurs, Man Utd and Villa.

 

 

We're pretty much half way through the season and are equal on points with Spurs, 1pt ahead of Man Utd, and 2pts behind Villa. Seems like we're competing with them to me.

[Matt1892]

3 minutes ago, Cf said:

 

We're pretty much half way through the season and are equal on points with Spurs, 1pt ahead of Man Utd, and 2pts behind Villa. Seems like we're competing with them to me.

So not unrealistic to expect European football as a minimum then.

[Matt1892]

2 hours ago, JEToon said:

 

  

 

Might as well have really, quite an odd thing to be thinking about to me 

 

So nobody has said he won’t be backed then. 

[JEToon]

2 minutes ago, Matt1892 said:

So nobody has said he won’t be backed then. 

 

always prefer posts that actually say things with their chest and go all in with what they say rather than shite bag away from what they are saying like. 

[Matt1892]

Just now, JEToon said:

 

always prefer posts that actually say things with their chest and go all in with what they say rather than shite bag away from what they are saying like. 

You argued against a point that nobody made, when this was pointed out you argued that someone might as well have said that with a comment that didn’t actually mean what you claimed at all, then got called out for it.

 

The comment that if there is money available and they don’t give it to Howe to spend in January signals they have likely made up their mind about changing him as manager, is not the same as saying that he won’t be backed in January.

 

 

[JEToon]

5 minutes ago, Matt1892 said:

You argued against a point that nobody made, when this was pointed out you argued that someone might as well have said that with a comment that didn’t actually mean what you claimed at all, then got called out for it.

 

The comment that if there is money available and they don’t give it to Howe to spend in January signals they have likely made up their mind about changing him as manager, is not the same as saying that he won’t be backed in January.

 

 

 

This is the point though…..

 

heavy leaning on some kind of notion or idea the board aren’t going to back him or don’t believe in him with very little to validate it, just a bit odd like  

 

 

 

Edited Thursday at 12:28 by JEToon

[Matt1892]

Just now, JEToon said:

 

This is the point though…..

 

heavy leaning on some kind of notion or idea the board aren’t going to back him or don’t believe in him with very little to validate it, just a bit odd like  

 

If that is the point then argue the point, don’t make up points and try and proceed to argue the made up points.

[JEToon]

13 minutes ago, Matt1892 said:

If that is the point then argue the point, don’t make up points and try and proceed to argue the made up points.

 

same point like. 

 

 

[Interpolic]

39 minutes ago, Matt1892 said:

So not unrealistic to expect European football as a minimum then.

 

As a minimum it is, yeah. If not reaching that minimum gets the manager sacked. We're competing with those clubs, if we end up finishing behind them then fair do's though. 

 

Say you get your wish and Howe is sacked and we're a clown show again. The plan is to have the 8th highest resources in the country but tell Howe's replacement and everyone else thereafter that they must finish at least 1 or 2 above that or they're sacked? 

 

That's setting people up to fail and is far too reliant on other clubs' fucking up massively. 

[The College Dropout]

5 minutes ago, Interpolic said:

 

As a minimum it is, yeah. If not reaching that minimum gets the manager sacked. We're competing with those clubs, if we end up finishing behind them then fair do's though. 

 

Say you get your wish and Howe is sacked and we're a clown show again. The plan is to have the 8th highest resources in the country but tell Howe's replacement and everyone else thereafter that they must finish at least 1 or 2 above that or they're sacked? 

 

That's setting people up to fail and is far too reliant on other clubs' fucking up massively. 

I've been saying this for months on end (FWIW we are more 7th/8th).

 

It's 7th/8th by a distance from 6th too.

[Interpolic]

3 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

I've been saying this for months on end

 

Aye I've noticed

 

We can't look at these 6 clubs who have been given every possible advantage with the new rules, are on a different planet to us financially, and say we MUST finish above at least one of them or it's curtains and the manager has to go. That's madness. 

 

Obviously the plan is to build our finances so we can compete consistently on more of a level playing field, but whether that's possible at quicker than a snail's pace is the great unknown. People giving Howe these daft targets most probably don't like Howe and want him sacked for whatever reason. 

[alexf]

If Eddie had the squads of Spurs, Man U, he would have them in the top 4 right now. Genuinely believe that.

Id even say Villa although Emery has been equally as impressive as Howe was for us, but again I think he had a stronger squad to build from. 

 

So when the comments on here that wages etc don't matter, and that we should be guaranteeing European football this season, I can't agree. 

Yes, you can make an argument that our strongest starting 11 can match all of those teams and in some positions we have the better players. But go and take a look at their squad depth in comparison to us, remembering that Howe has proven time and again he can get out of form players to perform above their level. 

He makes the odd mistake and can be stubborn at times, but I believe the main thing holding us back from progressing is PSR and squad depth, not the manager. 

[Kanj]

I still maintain you protect Howe at all costs, and you do so with Bunce working with the medical team to keep the players on the pitch. You spend all the time in the world convincing him that a younger abroad signing will work under the financial constraints, that he can develop them, and that the club won’t be banging on his door expecting he makes top 4 if they can’t sign a super top quality player. You also work with him to get one or two top players a year if possible. But at end of day you keep backing him and giving him every tool possible without putting an unnecessary and stupid target for him to hit. The end of day is for all the flak he may get for a signing someone on NO may not love, the work he’s done with Tino, Hall, Gordon, Bruno, Burn, Isak etc etc. is just elite level coaching. 

[Erikse]

1 hour ago, JEToon said:

 

always prefer posts that actually say things with their chest and go all in with what they say rather than shite bag away from what they are saying like. 

 

The answer is often somewhere in between. Do you prefer that people have black and white/polarized opinions when those are rarely accurate? You can be critical without being anti, but ofcourse it would be easier for you to argue against someones opinion if it's too exaggerated. So I can see why you would prefer that.

 

 

Edited Thursday at 13:26 by Erikse

[JEToon]

1 minute ago, Erikse said:

 

The answer is often somewhere in between. You're basically calling for people to have black and white polarized opinions when those are rarely accurate? You can be critical without being anti, but ofcourse it would be easier for you to argue against someones opinion if it's too exaggerated. So I can see why you would prefer that.

 

 

 

 

Dad? 

[Groundhog63]

3 hours ago, alexf said:

Would love to know who all the anti-eddie brigade would like to replace him with. 

 

I swear down, there's a chunk of these lot think they could do a better job  themselves 😂

Few years on Champ Manager and it's a piece of piss 😜

 

 

[KaKa]

5 minutes ago, Kanj said:

I still maintain you protect Howe at all costs, and you do so with Bunce working with the medical team to keep the players on the pitch. You spend all the time in the world convincing him that a younger abroad signing will work under the financial constraints, that he can develop them, and that the club won’t be banging on his door expecting he makes top 4 if they can’t sign a super top quality player. You also work with him to get one or two top players a year if possible. But at end of day you keep backing him and giving him every tool possible without putting an unnecessary and stupid target for him to hit. The end of day is for all the flak he may get for a signing someone on NO may not love, the work he’s done with Tino, Hall, Gordon, Bruno, Burn, Isak etc etc. is just elite level coaching. 

 

The only thing that can spoil everything is disagreements off the pitch, with the new guys that came in.

 

The latest noises seem very promising. And if that proves to remain the case, then the better and more balanced recruitment will propel us forward significantly and we are going to be a big problem for everyone else.

[Erikse]

Re depth. This is from last weekend. How does our bench compare to Tottenham and Villa? Just a small note, Porro is there, but I believe he was rested for Djed Spence.

 

Newcastle

 

 

Villa

 

 

Tottenham

 

[Cronky]

When we were taken over by PIF, there was this idea floating in the media that we were going to buy success through a massive spending spree, in the manner of Blackburn in the 1990s, Chelsea under Abramovich, and Man City under Sheikh Mansour. This idea has died hard. Despite the restrictions on our spending, it has been supposed that the expectations of the owners would be similar to those three other clubs, and that Eddie would be dismissed in the event of any failure to achieve on that scale, as was the case with Mark Hughes at City and Claudio Ranieri at Chelsea.

 

Well there are two realities in the face of those suppositions. Firstly, PIF were going to be compliant with the current spending rules, which do make that kind of quick dash for success impossible. Secondly, Eddie Howe has proved to be a manager of the top drawer, and the growth that he has brought to the club, within those restrictions, is fully appreciated by the PIF. I don't think they have any intention of replacing him with a better manager, mainly because there isn't one.

[SUPERTOON]

30 minutes ago, alexf said:

If Eddie had the squads of Spurs, Man U, he would have them in the top 4 right now. Genuinely believe that.

Id even say Villa although Emery has been equally as impressive as Howe was for us, but again I think he had a stronger squad to build from. 

 

So when the comments on here that wages etc don't matter, and that we should be guaranteeing European football this season, I can't agree. 

Yes, you can make an argument that our strongest starting 11 can match all of those teams and in some positions we have the better players. But go and take a look at their squad depth in comparison to us, remembering that Howe has proven time and again he can get out of form players to perform above their level. 

He makes the odd mistake and can be stubborn at times, but I believe the main thing holding us back from progressing is PSR and squad depth, not the manager. 

Not sure spurs and certainly Villa fans would agree about their squads being stronger than ours.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

28 minutes ago, KaKa said:

 

The only thing that can spoil everything is disagreements off the pitch, with the new guys that came in.

 

The latest noises seem very promising. And if that proves to remain the case, then the better and more balanced recruitment will propel us forward significantly and we are going to be a big problem for everyone else.

I always believed that last summer was all about chaotic timing and not anything fundamental about the people involved. Especially the assumption that Howe was some kind of control freak dinosaur - just silly. 
 

I still hope we don’t entirely become a Brighton-style production line with endless replaceable players. That’s soulless and I imagine quite limited in how high you can achieve.
 

We need to combine the Howe character and the odd iconic player like Bruno/Isak/Tonali with the more developed technical operation to really get the max return for the club. IMO. 

 

 

Edited Thursday at 14:03 by AyeDubbleYoo

[Rod]

5 hours ago, Gawalls said:

Don’t talk to people like that - what are you 12?

Just turned 68 ya knacker!