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Ironically he's not immune from criticism today, but I think criticising him for our start is harsh in the extreme like, he's had to basically completely redesign his attack having already signed one player that was presumably supposed to play alongside a striker we then went and sold. The turnover of players in the summer was large and for the most part very publicly not his first choices.

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1 minute ago, Kid Icarus said:

Ironically he's not immune from criticism today, but I think criticising him for our start is harsh in the extreme like, he's had to basically completely redesign his attack having already signed one player that was presumably supposed to play alongside a striker we then went and sold. The turnover of players in the summer was large and for the most part very publicly not his first choices.

I for one am ecstatic that we got our fourth choice centerforward. Wish we got him earlier so he could gel with the team. But man, he really will open up different ways of playing. Think Ramsey will play a big part in that if he can stay fit as well.

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Just now, Vinny Green Balls said:

I for one am ecstatic that we got our fourth choice centerforward. Wish we got him earlier so he could gel with the team. But man, he really will open up different ways of playing. Think Ramsey will play a big part in that if he can stay fit as well.

Delighted with him and Thiaw has been good too, no question, it's just a difficult puzzle to solve. We really need our wingers doing more and I think you're right about Ramsey as well, providing he can stay fit.

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5 minutes ago, Vinny Green Balls said:

I for one am ecstatic that we got our fourth choice centerforward. Wish we got him earlier so he could gel with the team. But man, he really will open up different ways of playing. Think Ramsey will play a big part in that if he can stay fit as well.

 

3 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

Delighted with him and Thiaw has been good too, no question, it's just a difficult puzzle to solve. We really need our wingers doing more and I think you're right about Ramsey as well, providing he can stay fit.

Could easily see us going 442 at points this season.

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4 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

Ironically he's not immune from criticism today, but I think criticising him for our start is harsh in the extreme like, he's had to basically completely redesign his attack having already signed one player that was presumably supposed to play alongside a striker we then went and sold. The turnover of players in the summer was large and for the most part very publicly not his first choices.

 

Agree to a point but 2 of those front 3 today were signed in the summer for a combined £125m and the other one was also signed by Howe for £45m. So that was his £170m front 3 up front today and we only looked dangerous when 2 of them went off.

 

There's simply no excuse for only scoring 1 away goal all season when we're in the 2nd half of October.

 

I'm a massive fan of Howe but our start to the season has been really poor.

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1 minute ago, Wallsendmag said:

 

Agree to a point but 2 of those front 3 today were signed in the summer for a combined £125m and the other one was also signed by Howe for £45m. So that was his £170m front 3 up front today and we only looked dangerous when 2 of them went off.

 

There's simply no excuse for only scoring 1 away goal all season when we're in the 2nd half of October.

 

I'm a massive fan of Howe but our start to the season has been really poor.

yeah it's not good enough. But at least we are organized and not getting battered by teams. Losing 4 total isn't great. But it's a -4GD from those games. And three of them were lost toward the end. Liverpool doesn't count so much because that was an absurdly good ten man performance.

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Howe is extraordinary and we’ll continue to progress massively under him. I do think the transfer window has laid bare issues and we have to find a way to bring younger players through. We finally have some decent talent coming up through the academy so I think we will start to see it. 
 

I don’t know why we’ve gone backwards in the final third. Think it probably owes most to not having our best FBs on the pitch and sadly Joelinton not being a possession player, coupled with the fact that our LW (both) has been massively out of form and our new RW has struggled way more than anyone expected. 
 

I’m not worried but I don’t see a simple way to solve our issues on the wings. I think our FBs will be back to normal by the end of the year and I think Ramsey and Miley will get a lot more minutes, allowing Joelinton to rest and recover his physicality. What’s going to happen on the wings though? We really need Gordon and Elanga to start playing well and I don’t think the instructions or the system are the issue with why they’re both playing poorly 

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I know he presumably signed Elanga to play with Isak, but I don't see how Elanga's horrible clumsy first touch and lack of technical ability when we play against low blocks (most weeks in the league) would suddenly be any better for Isak being there.

 

There's a load of mitigating circumstances each time, particularly this year more than any other, but we always get off to a slow start under Howe and it's fair to point it out. Do we just accept every season that we're likely to not properly get going until December? 

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7 minutes ago, Ghandis Flip-Flop said:

Honest question do you think Howe is to blame for Isak fucking the club over?

 

is Howe to blame for no striker being brought in until the very end of the window?

 

And lastly is Howe responsible for Wissa getting injured on international duty?

 

If you answered no to those questions, all of which have massively impacted our start to the season, then I’m questioning why you think our indifferent form so far is fully within the gift of Howe to fix

 


I get the argument, but those are leading questions. No one’s saying Howe is at fault for that but he’s still accountable for how the team responds on the pitch.

 

The players we have had starting have almost all regressed, he chooses players bang out of form and some of our bigger signings just don’t look a great fit for the team. Who else is to blame for that? He’s coaching them every week so he should be able to see Joelinton is a liability at this point. He should have seen from last season that Trippier can’t run anymore. He should have seen that having no backup to Hall at left back would leave Burn open to weekly bummings if he had to step in.

 

Bruno looks fucked half the time and he’s never had the legs to cover the ground that’s required of the way we’re tactically set up, defensively at least.

 

And when he lashes out 40m on players like Barnes and Ramsey, there should be a reason for it.

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1 minute ago, Lucky said:


I get the argument, but those are leading questions. No one’s saying Howe is at fault for that but he’s still accountable for how the team responds on the pitch.

 

The players we have had starting have almost all regressed, he chooses players bang out of form and some of our bigger signings just don’t look a great fit for the team. Who else is to blame for that? He’s coaching them every week so he should be able to see Joelinton is a liability at this point. He should have seen from last season that Trippier can’t run anymore. He should have seen that having no backup to Hall at left back would leave Burn open to weekly bummings if he had to step in.

 

Bruno looks fucked half the time and he’s never had the legs to cover the ground that’s required of the way we’re tactically set up, defensively at least.

 

And when he lashes out 40m on players like Barnes and Ramsey, there should be a reason for it.

That is an absurd comment. there absolutely was a reason for both. Ramsey adds a different dimension in the midfield and can help against low blocks. Barnes was opportunisitic and bought at a time when Gordon didn't look worth it.

 

 

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5 minutes ago, Vinny Green Balls said:

yeah it's not good enough. But at least we are organized and not getting battered by teams. Losing 4 total isn't great. But it's a -4GD from those games. And three of them were lost toward the end. Liverpool doesn't count so much because that was an absurdly good ten man performance.

 

The fact that we are always on the wrong side of these tights games would be of greater concern. Good teams consistently win those games, not lose them.

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Just now, Wallsendmag said:

 

The fact that we are always on the wrong side of these tights games would be of greater concern. Good teams consistently win those games, not lose them.

Arsenal and Liverpool and Barcelona are streets ahead of us squad wise. We should have gotten a win out of one of those, as we usually do at home. But they are still significantly better teams.

 

That leaves Brighton.

 

 

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3 minutes ago, Lucky said:


I get the argument, but those are leading questions. No one’s saying Howe is at fault for that but he’s still accountable for how the team responds on the pitch.

 

The players we have had starting have almost all regressed, he chooses players bang out of form and some of our bigger signings just don’t look a great fit for the team. Who else is to blame for that? He’s coaching them every week so he should be able to see Joelinton is a liability at this point. He should have seen from last season that Trippier can’t run anymore. He should have seen that having no backup to Hall at left back would leave Burn open to weekly bummings if he had to step in.

 

Bruno looks fucked half the time and he’s never had the legs to cover the ground that’s required of the way we’re tactically set up, defensively at least.

 

And when he lashes out 40m on players like Barnes and Ramsey, there should be a reason for it.

 

Are you just trying to get bites :lol:

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1 minute ago, Vinny Green Balls said:

Arsenal and Liverpool and Barcelona are streets ahead of us squad wise. That leaves Brighton.


Our only 2 wins this season have been against teams that will likely get relegated.

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4 minutes ago, Wallsendmag said:

 

Agree to a point but 2 of those front 3 today were signed in the summer for a combined £125m and the other one was also signed by Howe for £45m. So that was his £170m front 3 up front today and we only looked dangerous when 2 of them went off.

 

There's simply no excuse for only scoring 1 away goal all season when we're in the 2nd half of October.

 

I'm a massive fan of Howe but our start to the season has been really poor.

As I say though, one was signed to play alongside a player we then sold, the other, as good as he's been was like Howe's 5th choice and would likely be getting bedded in and rotated had our other striker not got injured.

 

There are fair reasons it's not clicked yet up front I think and our start hasn't been that bad overall - we're on the same points as 22/24 and have loads of rope to improve on last season - I think it's been the horrible last minute losses and couple of outright poor performances like today,  all while we're still a bit of a work in progress that's been hard to bear. 

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Just now, Vinny Green Balls said:

Arsenal and Liverpool and Barcelona are streets ahead of us squad wise. That leaves Brighton.

 

We beat Arsenal and drew with Liverpool (should have won) at home last season so that's not really relevant unless you're admitting we're on the downturn.

 

We aren't the feeble little underdog like in the Ashley days. 

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1 minute ago, Pilko said:

I know he presumably signed Elanga to play with Isak, but I don't see how Elanga's horrible clumsy first touch and lack of technical ability when we play against low blocks (most weeks in the league) would suddenly be any better for Isak being there.

 

There's a load of mitigating circumstances each time, particularly this year more than any other, but we always get off to a slow start under Howe and it's fair to point it out. Do we just accept every season that we're likely to not properly get going until December? 

We signed the wrong profile of winger, regardless of Isak being here or not 

 

The profile we needed was an Mbuemo, Salah, Bowen type - someone to link the midfield and attack and to potentially score 10-15 a season - we didn’t need Elanga as we had Gordon who offers kind of the same 

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4 minutes ago, LionOfGosforth said:

 

Are you just trying to get bites :lol:


Barnes has been on the bench more than he’s started games. 40m. Elanga is looking like a copy/paste of that if his form continues.

 

Ramsey we haven’t seen much but we all know Howe will persist with Joelinton if he declares himself fit.

 

 

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1 minute ago, Kid Icarus said:

As I say though, one was signed to play alongside a player we then sold, the other, as good as he's been was like Howe's 5th choice and would likely be getting bedded in and rotated had our other striker not got injured.

 

There are fair reasons it's not clicked yet up front I think and our start hasn't been that bad overall - we're on the same points as 22/24 and have loads of rope to improve on last season - I think it's been the horrible last minute losses and couple of outright poor performances like today,  all while we're still a bit of a work in progress that's been hard to bear. 

 

Respect your point but again I think you're being too kind. Our overall play has been poor this season. Midfield looks poor. We can't get a grip of games and it doesn't need to be said we look really poor going forward. The 2 teams we've managed to beat are arguably the 2 worst teams in the league and even Wolves was a fortune win.

 

Yes we lost Isak but if truth be told we lost him last March when he near enough downed tools and stopped playing. There's more to it than just him leaving.

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6 minutes ago, Pilko said:

I know he presumably signed Elanga to play with Isak, but I don't see how Elanga's horrible clumsy first touch and lack of technical ability when we play against low blocks (most weeks in the league) would suddenly be any better for Isak being there.

 

There's a load of mitigating circumstances each time, particularly this year more than any other, but we always get off to a slow start under Howe and it's fair to point it out. Do we just accept every season that we're likely to not properly get going until December? 

Considering the end result I'd say we definitely do yeah. One man's slow start is another man's target too.

 

Look at Liverpool, they've been shit for a team challenging for the league but are 1 point off if they win tomorrow, we've been poor for a team looking to get in the Champions League, but are 5 points off.

 

I'd take a Howe slow start similar to Liverpool's. 

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1 minute ago, Lucky said:


Barbes has been on the bench more than he’s started games. 40m. Elanga is looking like a copy/paste of that if his form continues.

 

Ramsey we haven’t seen much but we all know Howe will persist with Joelinton if he declares himself fit.

 

No I meant the implication that we signed them with no idea as to why we did. Ramsey will be a top signing in time, he offers a lot with ball carrying and getting in goal scoring positions, just needs to stay fit. The wingers need to improve and I think they will.

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