Eddie Howe

[Whitley mag]

3 minutes ago, Heron said:

Give over man.

 

Isak has done fuck all since going to England's best club.

Irrelevant he was world class for us and the evidence is where toothless without him.

[Erikse]

5 minutes ago, Heron said:

Give over man.

 

Isak has done fuck all since going to England's best club.

 

But yet we're still hurting from losing him, as an explanation for this season? Bit of a contradiction, if I understand the point right.

 

 

Edited December 27, 2025 by Erikse

[Sir Joel Inton]

Blaming our performances on Boxing Day on the summer transfer saga is as laughable as Liverpool fans blaming Isak’s form on his lack of pre-season.

 

If you laugh at the latter you cannot use the other to pacify comments on Howe’s poor form.

[Jonas]

Said yonks ago, maybe even day one, that it would be like 97/98 - partly inspired by likening the Shearer/Isak situations hampering us.

The league would be pointless and the cups would be relief.  

The regular punchless attacking performances weren't predicted but just add emphasis

[Heron]

Just now, Whitley mag said:

Irrelevant he was world class for us and the evidence is where toothless without him.

Your making no sense tbh mate. Are you seriously suggesting that we were only good because of Isaks talent?

 

If so, then how haven't Liverpool been better with such a talent?

[Rod]

1 minute ago, Whitley mag said:

Irrelevant he was world class for us and the evidence is where toothless without him.

We're not where. Really pisses me off.

[AngelofTheFourth]

17 minutes ago, CPL said:

Eddie Howe was let down in the summer and didn't get the support from the backroom staff.

 

This is the time he needs us to support the team when he needs it the most.

 

Easy to support the team when we are winning but shows the true fans when we are losing.

 

But will he get a better summer though. Because ffp/psr/scr makes is incredible difficult to have a good summer.

[dcmk]

1 minute ago, Whitley mag said:

We were linked with Elanga for 2 seasons he clearly rated and wanted him, likewise with Ramsey.

 

Nobody asked him to pivot to the signings he made there were other options abroad.

 

 

I don't get get the Elanga signing.  I think there is a player in Ramsay.  

 

Why do you think they were first choice?  He wanted Olise and Rafinha in that position previous windows vastly superior players.

 

You're trying to use this narrative that he's totally against signing players from abroad.  Yet we signed Thiaw and Woltemade in the summer.

 

 

[Heron]

2 minutes ago, Erikse said:

 

But yet we're still hurting from losing him, as an explanation for this season? Bit of a contradiction, if I understand the point right.

 

 

 

Aye - because he was considered world class by most football fans whilst at Newcastle United. You don't replace those talents easily and you certainly don't fashion a new style of play mid season. To accommodate for that. How the fuck is that a contradiction?

[JoeyBartoon]

3 minutes ago, Heron said:

I can absolutely take fair criticism of Howe but every time we lose it feels like there's a desperate attempt to question him on things that have zero evidence or substance tbh. Gets right on my fucking tits.

Tbf there’s about years worth of shite away form evidence, I hardly think it’s knee jerk stuff 

[AngelofTheFourth]

8 minutes ago, dcmk said:

He wanted Trafford, Mbeumo, Cunha and Ekitike to name a few. 

 

Stop making out they were his first choice.

 

 

We were never going to get any of those players that's the problem. People are complaining about the summer window when so much of it was out of our control and will most likely happen again in the future.

[Yorkie]

1 minute ago, Pilko said:

 

We quite clearly needed 2 strikers but Howe wanted to try and retain a blatantly finished Wilson. He then waited the whole window to get a specific replacement despite knowing he lacked match fitness and a pre-season, and we still allowed him to go run round some scrubland in Mozambique or wherever and get injured. The Isak situation was only half of the puzzle and we totally bungled the other half too.

 

 what a load of rubbish, man. We were in the market for strikers from the word go and when we lost the first targets, the Isak situation totally castrated us until Liverpool finally made a fair offer.

 

The stuff about his international duties is a ridiculous criticism and always has been.

[Heron]

6 minutes ago, JoeyBartoon said:

Tbf there’s about years worth of shite away form evidence, I hardly think it’s knee jerk stuff 

You're clearly missing my point.

 

I have said I can understand legitimate concerns but shite like "we were only good because of Isak" is nonsense. We were good because of having a top quality footballer who suited our style of play/we suited our style of play to. It was having the complete team and a cohesive team.

 

 

Edited December 27, 2025 by Heron

[TRC]

Howe may have been let down by his nephew, but maybe when Man U play 3 kids and park the bus leave Woltemade on and bring Wissa on instead of doing like for like changes.

[Whitley mag]

Just now, Heron said:

Your making no sense tbh mate. Are you seriously suggesting that we were only good because of Isaks talent?

 

If so, then how haven't Liverpool been better with such a talent?

He’s been shite for Liverpool undeniable, however, the evidence is also starting to look like our attack is blunt without him and we don’t have any clue how to open teams up.

 

My point is where still playing the same way relying heavily on wingers, it’s predictable and without a world class centre forward who made things happen, we need new ideas different patterns, where not getting that it’s just more of the same.

[Chicken Dancer]

He has enough credit in the bank to be given grace to navigate this but saying he was let down in the summer is crackers, like. 
 

He spent over £200m and we look as poor as we have in years. Totally get the Isak situation derailed things but we’re now in December and nothing is changing. The buck stops with the manager and the performances as well as recruitment have not been near good enough. 6 points from 27 on the road would be a poor showing for anyone, never mind a team that’s currently playing in the Champions League. 
 

It’s 2026 in a few days and we’ve got Jacob Murphy starting on the wing with a £55m right winger we coveted for 2 years on the bench. It’s a disgrace and not really much more to it than that. 
 

He’s got enough grace to be permitted a poor season but if this shitshow continues until May I’d part ways, albeit with a heavy heart. Love the bloke and always will but this isn’t good enough and there’s only so many times we can point to the past when the present is so shit. 
 

Villa (for 60% of the match) Liverpool, Man City and Everton. 4 times this season - in the league - we’ve actually played well imo. I may be forgetting a few, but even the home games against Wolves, Fulham and Burnley we were crap and fairly fortunate to win. We’ve not been near consistent or good enough all season and there’s been plenty time since the shit show that was the summer window. 
 

We can’t keep clean sheets, we can’t hold on to a lead, we can’t perform for a full 90 minutes and we definitely can’t win away from home. It’s not good enough and there’s only so many times we can say ‘but last season’ until it’s April, we’ve got nowt to play for and we’re out of all other competitions. 
 

We play Burnley next week and I’ve next to no confidence we can go there and win, and that’s mad for a club that’s spent £600m+ over the last 4 years. 

[Erikse]

3 minutes ago, Heron said:

Aye - because he was considered world class by most football fans whilst at Newcastle United. You don't replace those talents easily and you certainly don't fashion a new style of play mid season. To accommodate for that. How the fuck is that a contradiction?

 

Because you ridiculed a suggestion that we would've achieved less in the last seasons without him, with the reasoning that he has achieved nothing after leaving. And now you're talking about how hard he was so damn hard to replace, and how he was world class.

 

 

Edited December 27, 2025 by Erikse

[Jagten]

13 minutes ago, dcmk said:

?

 

With everything.  Our DoF left on the eve of the window opening.

 

Our forward went on strike and divided the team.  We didn't sign a replacement until very, very late in the window.

 

The Isak situation caused us to panic. We nearly ended up with Strand Larsen

He won a power struggle against our DoF and was allowed to buy whatever he wanted with his nephew.

[Kid Icarus]

5 minutes ago, Erikse said:

 

But yet we're still hurting from losing him, as an explanation for this season? Bit of a contradiction, if I understand the point right.

How's it a contradiction? We didn't play the way we did and get success out of it solely because of what Isak got out of his own talent.

[Rod]

1 minute ago, Whitley mag said:

He’s been shite for Liverpool undeniable, however, the evidence is also starting to look like our attack is blunt without him and we don’t have any clue how to open teams up.

 

My point is where still playing the same way relying heavily on wingers, it’s predictable and without a world class centre forward who made things happen, we need new ideas different patterns, where not getting that it’s just more of the same.

We're. Or just type we are!

[Erikse]

1 minute ago, Kid Icarus said:

How's it a contradiction? We didn't play the way we did and get success out of it solely because of what Isak got out of his own talent.

 

Then why is the fact that we lost him such a gigantic deal? If he didn't have a huge impact on our success?

[Heron]

Just now, Whitley mag said:

He’s been shite for Liverpool undeniable, however, the evidence is also starting to look like our attack is blunt without him and we don’t have any clue how to open teams up.

 

My point is where still playing the same way relying heavily on wingers, it’s predictable and without a world class centre forward who made things happen, we need new ideas different patterns, where not getting that it’s just more of the same.

Our wingers have been shite and we don't have new ideas. We dotn have new ideas because we've spent 0 time strategising and devising new means to open teams up because we got our strikers around 6 games into the season and neither are the same profile as Alexander Isak.

[Pilko]

Just now, Yorkie said:

 

 what a load of rubbish, man. We were in the market for strikers from the word go and when we lost the first targets, the Isak situation totally castrated us until Liverpool finally made a fair offer.

 

The stuff about his international duties is a ridiculous criticism and always has been.

 

The Wilson replacement needed to happen regardless of whether Isak stayed or went. We chose to sit and wait for Wissa who we knew was unfit and lacking a pre-season. The Isak situation kicked off and that didn't prompt us to try and act any quicker. 

[Kid Icarus]

Just now, Jagten said:

He won a power struggle against our DoF and was allowed to buy whatever he wanted with his nephew.

Are you trying to say we'd be better off wjtg Paul Mitchell? Mitchell left on the eve of the transfer window, there's absolutely zero chance that Howe planned for that happening.

[Heron]

2 minutes ago, Erikse said:

 

Because you ridiculed a suggestion that we would've achieved less in the last seasons without him. And now you're talking about how hard he was to replace, and how he was world class.

No mate. I ridiculed then suggestion that our success was solely down to Isak - cause it clearly wasn't.