TheBrownBottle Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 Just now, Vinny Green Balls said: Glad my memory is still sharp You’ve still got it 😁 - I did just want to add the context though. I don’t want Howe sacked at all - and I have my doubts that someone else coming in based on the current squad etc could do better. But if I thought there was someone out there who could come in and win the CL for us then fuck yes I’d made that switch Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie Ahmed Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 2 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said: Agreed - I’m just saying that I couldn’t give a shite about sentiment re managers if it is the right thing for the club. I don’t think sacking Howe would be the right thing for the club. Ah right, in that sense I agree with you If I was told we sack Howe tonight and it absolutely guarantees us huge success then I absolutely would be all for it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mountain Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 5 minutes ago, nufc4eva said: He waited until we were 3-1 down to bring strikers on, simple enough? And change formation to 442. Our tactics and formation didn't work from 35 mins on and only had 2 shots on target all game. It's not that fucking hard to understand. Not gonna give him huge grief after losing away at Anfield. But there is no eternal law prohibiting him from just changing things at half time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc4eva Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 1 minute ago, Mountain said: Not gonna give him huge grief after losing away at Anfield. But there is no eternal law prohibiting him from just changing things at half time. That's my view, even 1 tweak may have helped, may not have but proactive rather than reactive to going 3-1 down Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Green Balls Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 3 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said: You’ve still got it 😁 - I did just want to add the context though. I don’t want Howe sacked at all - and I have my doubts that someone else coming in based on the current squad etc could do better. But if I thought there was someone out there who could come in and win the CL for us then fuck yes I’d made that switch The state of our world is horrendous. I’d like to teach my nephews that winning while being a cunt is not winning at all. Because you’re still a horrible cunt and no trophy case can change that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mountain Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 Just now, nufc4eva said: That's my view, even 1 tweak may have helped, may not have but proactive rather than reactive to going 3-1 down Once we went 2-1 down, I'd have just changed formation and threw on some randoms, why not. Some of those lads sit on that bench every week and never get a chance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanegg Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 Just now, Geordie Ahmed said: I was referring to the season as a whole rather than just the league The league absolutely has been underwhelming but it's end of Jan and we are still in all 4 competitions, how many clubs can say that? Just City and Arsenal And they are the only 2 clubs with longer serving managers than ours and also much higher spend (both for signings and wages) When you look at it like that, there isn’t much of an argument that can be made. We’re doing alright. It’s also possible at the end of the month, we could only be in the Prem (we should beat Qarabag, but it’s not a given. We will be very lucky to qualify for Europe through the league imo. But the inconsistent performances are worrying. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 Just now, Mountain said: Not gonna give him huge grief after losing away at Anfield. But there is no eternal law prohibiting him from just changing things at half time. That's my point though. There was no need to change anything at halftime because we were the better team. Yes I know that we were 2-1 down but unluckingly so. So why would you want to change things at halftime? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 (edited) Starting to have my doubts now after always defending him before - not that that's a brave thing as he's over-achieved if anything (as the financial charts on here last week backed up. if there were any doubt before). But we've gone all season now (and some of the end of last) with the same problems not being rectified but consolidated - almost universal average performances, blunt in attack, considerably weaker feeling than in previous seasons at the back and going ahead signalling a decline in performance. Edited January 31 by Jonas Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc4eva Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 Just now, Rod said: That's my point though. There was no need to change anything at halftime because we were the better team. Yes I know that we were 2-1 down but unluckingly so. So why would you want to change things at halftime? By half time we weren't the better team, game had slipped and needed something different. That was my point, could see all day which way the game was going even though I have never played football and just trying to fit in 😬 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mountain Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 1 minute ago, Rod said: That's my point though. There was no need to change anything at halftime because we were the better team. Yes I know that we were 2-1 down but unluckingly so. So why would you want to change things at halftime? Because the writing was on the wall, unfortunately. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 Just now, Jonas said: Starting to have my doubts now after always defending him before - not that that's a brave thing as he's over-achieved if anything (as the financial charts on here last week backed up. if there were any doubt before). But we've gone a full season now with the same problems not being rectified but consolidated - almost univeral average performances, blunt in attack, considerably weaker feeling than in previous seasons at the back and going ahead signalling a decline in performance. Sleep it off. You will see sense in the morning. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 Just now, Vinny Green Balls said: The state of our world is horrendous. I’d like to teach my nephews that winning while being a cunt is not winning at all. Because you’re still a horrible cunt and no trophy case can change that. We’re owned by some of the biggest cunts of all. Even the most cunty of managers would pale into insignificance in their level of cuntitude next to them. Of course I’d rather the manager isn’t a cunt, but trophies override that sentiment for me. Again of course I’m happy that Howe is our manager and that he isn’t a cunt Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 1 minute ago, Mountain said: Because the writing was on the wall, unfortunately. Eh? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mountain Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 Just now, nufc4eva said: By half time we weren't the better team, game had slipped and needed something different. That was my point, could see all day which way the game was going even though I have never played football and just trying to fit in 😬 Indeed sometimes good management is just accepting the "vibe, energy, QI" isn't flowing in your direction and trying to wrestle that back, sounds philosophical but it came to pass. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mountain Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 (edited) Just now, Rod said: Eh? I'll simplify it, the momentum had changed from us to them. Edited January 31 by Mountain Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikky Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 6 minutes ago, Geordie Ahmed said: I was referring to the season as a whole rather than just the league The league absolutely has been underwhelming but it's end of Jan and we are still in all 4 competitions, how many clubs can say that? Just City and Arsenal And they are the only 2 clubs with longer serving managers than ours and also much higher spend (both for signings and wages) In fairness we were always going to be in the PL, we were never being eliminated from CL during the group phase, played 1 Fa Cup game - done well to get to SF of the league cup - that’s fair I wouldn’t be expecting anything different at this point - it’s the league form which is the biggest achilles heal - massively inconsistent Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmesy Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 20 minutes ago, Vinny Green Balls said: Wasn't it the thing to criticize coaches for not prioritizing all competitions back in the day? Guarantee that some would criticize Howe if he did. I mean, weren't some highly critical of the PSG starting lineup? I think Eddie’s problem is that his management style doesn’t allow us to prioritise PL and European competitions equally, even if he wanted to. The domestic cups are fine because the fixtures are occasional but when your entire MO centres around coaching the team hands-on for a specific fixture, chuck CL football in the mix and we have to make do with light sessions only to avoid injury. It’s a system and process issue, not a prioritisation one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 Surely even the 56 that are HOWE OUT don’t mean now? Is it an end of the season job? I’m a long way from just blindly backing him and I do think there are scenarios that would mean he’ll be on thin ice come May. But he gets at the very least, the rest of this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Green Balls Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 Just now, TheBrownBottle said: We’re owned by some of the biggest cunts of all. Even the most cunty of managers would pale into insignificance in their level of cuntitude next to them. Of course I’d rather the manager isn’t a cunt, but trophies override that sentiment for me. Again of course I’m happy that Howe is our manager and that he isn’t a cunt Not for me. And yeah you’re right. We are owned by a group that is propped by a murderous regime. And it is part of the reason that I am falling out of love with football. It’s very difficult to hold that cognitive dissonance, and would have been way easier to shed if we didn’t have the grim Ashley years. But You also have a number of American owners who support the genocide in Gaza. And snake oil salesmen heading UEFA and FIFA. Football is just another facet of the worst aspects of human civilization at this point. We can’t escape it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 He sent us out well today. I think it was more on the players today for not holding that lead until halftime and seeing where that would get us, never mind getting to half down a goal down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 Just now, Mountain said: I'll simplify it, the momentum had changed from us to them. I was expecting a controlled intelligent argument regarding formation and tactics but you come up with "the momentum changed from us to them". Disappointing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc4eva Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 1 minute ago, Mountain said: Indeed sometimes good management is just accepting the "vibe, energy, QI" isn't flowing in your direction and trying to wrestle that back, sounds philosophical but it came to pass. They had wrestled that back / we were passive after scoring and we needed a big push in 2nd half. I thought Gordon caused them problems in first half but feels like a sub maybe even in 55th minute may have helped change momentum, we waited until 73rd minutes when already 3-1 down, was only going one way from then. Could see it happening much earlier though and not sure why Howe couldnt Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Green Balls Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 1 minute ago, Lush Vlad said: Surely even the 56 that are HOWE OUT don’t mean now? Is it an end of the season job? I’m a long way from just blindly backing him and I do think there are scenarios that would mean he’ll be on thin ice come May. But he gets at the very least, the rest of this season. He’s certainly earned the chance to salvage this season in my eyes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc4eva Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 1 minute ago, Lush Vlad said: Surely even the 56 that are HOWE OUT don’t mean now? Is it an end of the season job? I’m a long way from just blindly backing him and I do think there are scenarios that would mean he’ll be on thin ice come May. But he gets at the very least, the rest of this season. I would say need to see where it goes rest of the season, no point now but fair to review if right in longer term before buy more players Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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