Eddie Howe

[Myleftboot]

I think he’s set targets at the beginning of a season by the board. Not sure what they are this season though.

[Sir Joel Inton]

7 minutes ago, ExiledGeordie said:

Do you think he’s sacked if he gets no European football?

 

As I said yesterday, I think it depends on who is available at the time. Not much point sacking him unless we bring someone in who we think will improve us.

 

Very difficult judgement call to make of course. 

 

That’s why football fans are not in the same position to know the realities as the Board. If we put feelers out in May and found out, for example, someone like Luis Enrique (who currently you’d expect to be an unrealistic appointment) was available and willing, I’d make the change.

 

If we’re scraping around in a different level of manager, I see no point unless things really tanked under Howe.

[El Prontonise]

2 hours ago, Boey_Jarton said:

Newcastle United always go to Anfield defeated.

 

Like last year , we pick an XI and formation that almost excuses defeat before it's happened, and recognises that it is unlikely we get a result so we may as well avoid injuries and try something different for the sake of it. 

 

Hang on, he used last year to divert Liverpool to how we where going to play in the final.  There's no comparison.

 

 

Edited February 1 by El Prontonise

[Poon Raccoon]

If you looked forward after our second year and what we achieved, do you think Trippier, Willock, Alex Murphy etc, would still have been here after year 5 for a club that has lofty ambitions?

 

I think we have reached the limit with what we have, something out of the blue has to change for us to move forward.

 

We saw how players snubbed us for the cartel six in last summers transfer and we went for the low hanging fruit.

 

Howe has done an incredible job since he's been here and i'm not questioning his ability as a manager, but he doesn't draw players.

 

Do you think if we had a high profile manager, some of those players might have thought twice ?

 

Because we have stalled in our momentum, maybe we need something outside the box like going all out for a high profile manager that can draw players in, to take the next step on the ladder.

 

 

[Keegans Export]

9 minutes ago, Myleftboot said:

I think he’s set targets at the beginning of a season by the board. Not sure what they are this season though.

Luke Edwards said it was top 8 and making progress in other competitions. 

 

Hard to argue against a Carabao SF and top 16 in the Champions League. Two tough FA Cup ties so far. 

[Myleftboot]

1 minute ago, Poon Raccoon said:

If you looked forward after our second year and what we achieved, do you think Trippier, Willock, Alex Murphy etc, would still have been here after year 5 for a club that has lofty ambitions?

 

I think we have reached the limit with what we have, something out of the blue has to change for us to move forward.

 

We saw how players snubbed us for the cartel six in last summers transfer and we went for the low hanging fruit.

 

Howe has done an incredible job since he's been here and i'm not questioning his ability as a manager, but he doesn't draw players.

 

Do you think if we had a high profile manager, some of those players might have thought twice ?

 

Because we have stalled in our momentum, maybe we need something outside the box like going all out for a high profile manager that can draw players in, to take the next step on the ladder.

 

 

I think most of the players we missed out on went to other clubs for the higher wages.

[JonBez comesock]

Eddie Howe is a great manager.

 

No other comment needed.

 

if he’s here another 4/5 years he will reap the rewards and will win us another trophy.

 

Workaholic 

[Groundhog63]

7 minutes ago, Poon Raccoon said:

If you looked forward after our second year and what we achieved, do you think Trippier, Willock, Alex Murphy etc, would still have been here after year 5 for a club that has lofty ambitions?

 

I think we have reached the limit with what we have, something out of the blue has to change for us to move forward.

 

We saw how players snubbed us for the cartel six in last summers transfer and we went for the low hanging fruit.

 

Howe has done an incredible job since he's been here and i'm not questioning his ability as a manager, but he doesn't draw players.

 

Do you think if we had a high profile manager, some of those players might have thought twice ?

 

Because we have stalled in our momentum, maybe we need something outside the box like going all out for a high profile manager that can draw players in, to take the next step on the ladder.

 

 

No, money does.

[andyc35i]

I’ll say what I always say, that I love Eddie, but he’s not immune from criticism. I still don’t think that he can’t take us to the stated goal of being number one or constant challengers.
 

We’re so poor in these games against the ‘top 6’ because we don’t change how we play. You can’t go to Anfield and be so open like we always are. We will have a spell against Man City on Wednesday but we all already know that we’re going to leave them so much space and they’ll walk all over us. There’s been no improvement in the big games always from home and I think that will be his undoing, however sad that makes me

[Lush Vlad]

13 minutes ago, ExiledGeordie said:

Do you think he’s sacked if he gets no European football?

I think so. I think there will be mitigating circumstances. Like massively improved performances without getting the results. Big improvements from the summer signings. A deep cup run in the CL or FA or maybe something similar to the City v Man U cup final. Meaning we are a touch unlucky to miss out. 
 

If we carry on as we are and finish between 9th and 13th. I think I’d struggle to defend that and I’d find it hard to argue against it. 
 

It’s the performances and  predictability/same mistakes that worry me more than the actual results. 

[Groundhog63]

It's a shame that the sewer, that is the match thread, often overflows into the entire football forum after a defeat.

Awash with tedious, entitled know-it-alls.

 

Shit all over the gaff.

 

 

[Menace]

23 minutes ago, ExiledGeordie said:

Do you think he’s sacked if he gets no European football?

 

Hard to say. I didn't expect us to he as toothless as we are. Wissa injury was obviously more severe than they let on, it's February and he still looks unfit. 

 

If he ends up crashing out of every tournament and we end up finishing 10th I think he's in danger. If we show some fight then I think he's here for another year to get it right.

 

 

[Danh1]

Just seen a stat there. Since Howe came in we have played 50 away games against the current top 12 and have only won 6.

 

As much as SJP has been a fortress, that away form is simply nowhere near good enough.

 

Since we abandoned our “street wise” approach we have been a complete soft touch. 

 

Last night felt like we were turning a corner after PSG midweek which was close to being up there with Feyenoord as one of the great European nights in our recent history, but after the goal we capitulated. 
 

Huge improvement needed if we are to become European regulars. 

[Sir Joel Inton]

1 minute ago, Danh1 said:

Just seen a stat there. Since Howe came in we have played 50 away games against the current top 12 and have only won 6.

 

As much as SJP has been a fortress, that away form is simply nowhere near good enough.

 

Since we abandoned our “street wise” approach we have been a complete soft touch. 

 

Last night felt like we were turning a corner after PSG midweek which was close to being up there with Feyenoord as one of the great European nights in our recent history, but after the goal we capitulated. 
 

Huge improvement needed if we are to become European regulars. 

 

His record as a manager, including at Bournemouth, away in the PL is W51 D37 L89.

 

A 29% win percentage away from home. It’s not a new problem.

 

By comparison, Emery’s is 38%, even Moyes is 31%. He’s closer to Allardyce at 24% than he is Emery.

[Bimpy474]

14 minutes ago, Danh1 said:

 

 

Huge improvement needed if we are to become European regulars. 

 

The fact we've had Champions League football, well European at all is a near on miracle.

 

PSR or whatever name they want to call the protection racket, means we should never get it in reality.

 

For all his faults, Eddie has done amazing to get us where we are, that shouldnt be forgotten. Eddie and the rest of League are always fighting against teams in an elevated position. Until PSR goes it'll never be fair.

 

Until then it needs special managers to achieve CL, Emery and Howe are exactly that, special, but they can't keep on fighting a Rourke's Drift or Teutoburg Forest each season, not when the scummy six can keep dropping more money every year.

 

 

Edited February 1 by Bimpy474

[Boey_Jarton]

34 minutes ago, El Prontonise said:

 

Hang on, he used last year to divert Liverpool to how we where going to play in the final.  There's no comparison.

 

 

 

Fair point, there was a mitigation last year 

[Keegans Export]

8 minutes ago, Sir Joel Inton said:

 

His record as a manager, including at Bournemouth, away in the PL is W51 D37 L89.

 

A 29% win percentage away from home. It’s not a new problem.

 

By comparison, Emery’s is 38%, even Moyes is 31%. He’s closer to Allardyce at 24% than he is Emery.

A fairer comparison might be Howe at NUFC vs Emery at Villa seeing as those figures cover Howe in charge of a fairly recently promoted Bournemouth and Emery at Arsenal (presumably)

[Dr Venkman]

20 minutes ago, Menace said:

 

Hard to say. I didn't expect us to he as toothless as we are. Wissa injury was obviously more severe than they let on, it's February and he still looks unfit. 

 

If he ends up crashing out of every tournament and we end up finishing 10th I think he's in danger. If we show some fight then I think he's here for another year to get it right.

If I understand the definition of ‘crash’ in this context, it’s not possible for us to crash out of every tournament.

[Sir Joel Inton]

1 minute ago, Keegans Export said:

A fairer comparison might be Howe at NUFC vs Emery at Villa seeing as those figures cover Howe in charge of a fairly recently promoted Bournemouth and Emery at Arsenal (presumably)

 

That’s why I added in Moyes and Allardyce.

 

But as requested: Howe 35%, Emery 45%

[Keegans Export]

Just now, Sir Joel Inton said:

 

That’s why I added in Moyes and Allardyce.

 

But as requested: Howe 35%, Emery 45%

That's a seriously impressive away record for Emery. It's clear we've had issues away from home for a while and the numbers back it up

[Sir Joel Inton]

6 minutes ago, Keegans Export said:

That's a seriously impressive away record for Emery. It's clear we've had issues away from home for a while and the numbers back it up

 

Howe is closer to managers like:

 

Hurzeler - 32%
Glasner - 38%
Silva - 32%
 

Then he is near Emery. All 3 of those working with lower budgets and resources too.

 

We’re a top 5 team at home with Howe and a bottom half team away from home. That has been consistent throughout his time with us and is replicated in his form at Bournemouth too, but with a lower starting point.

 

Anyone thinking that will “click soon, just because” is vastly mistaken.

 

 

Edited February 1 by Sir Joel Inton

[Ben]

That horrible Martin Samual has said on Sunday Supplement Howe could be off to England.

[Sir Joel Inton]

Just now, Ben said:

That horrible Martin Samual has said on Sunday Supplement Howe could be off to England.

 

Would be the best outcome for everyone, to be honest. Leaves us on a positive as he deserves and he’d do well for England imo. 

[Doctor Zaius]

No way he goes to England 

[El Prontonise]

He'll be taking a much earned break when he leaves us.