Eddie Howe

[AyeDubbleYoo]

1 minute ago, 500bhp said:

I'm not necessarily saying Howe out (but I'm open minded) but for those who are still 100% behind Howe tonight, did you not see the lack of fight in the players today?

 

In the stadium at 1150 we were all up for it, the atmosphere was brilliant. Second half the application from the players was fucking shocking. They were not playing for him or the fans or the shirt. Something is definitely off, it stands out a mile. I think the players have stopped responding to Howe and/or his coaching staff. Something needs to change this summer. 

 

The mackems game is not a barometer of our season but its a check on the attitude of the players and the management. We failed big time, twice. 

Yeah of course, we look fragile at times but I wouldn’t say it’s an attitude problem or lack of team spirit. Or even lack of belief in the manager. It’s more the result of a grind of a season, the amount of points we’ve let slip affecting confidence and in some cases lack of technical ability. 

[Kid Icarus]

28 minutes ago, Andy said:

Howe has done an incredible job, and did an incredible job at Bournemouth. There are better and more successful managers out there though and he isn't irreplaceable, it would be daft to suggest otherwise. 

 

In terms of a club with our profile, realistically you're talking about a punt, already being demonstably better and more successful than Howe is pretty much a guarantee that they're unrealistic. Not to mention that Howe himself is often linked with clubs we're trying to get to the level of.

[Yorkie]

1 minute ago, 500bhp said:

Something is definitely off, it stands out a mile. I think the players have stopped responding to Howe and/or his coaching staff. 

 

What changed in the small number of days since we delivered a great performance against Barcelona before winning at Chelsea? Have they all given up on him because of that second half in the Nou Camp?

[TRC]

Just now, Yorkie said:

 

What changed in the small number of days since we delivered a great performance against Barcelona before winning at Chelsea? Have they all given up on him because of that second half in the Nou Camp?

It’s not the players it’s that we are good at underdog football and shit when we are the protagonist.

[andyc35i]

We ran ourself into the ground against Barcelona and were still completely outclassed. There has the be something in that from a psychological perspective as well as the physical side 

[astraguy]

We lacked a true forward today, And a central midfielder i'll back Eddie till the death 

[Mattoon]

Howe should not be going anywhere, he's had a rough season but let's not forget the precursor to this:

 

1. No CEO, no DOF

2. Isak fiasco

3. First, second, third and fourth choice players going elsewhere

4. Wissa injury

5. Wissa form after injury

6. Players not having time to bed in until midseason

7. A gazillion games a week

 

It has been ugly, it has been cruel, it has been partly Howe's fault, but getting rid of him now doesn't solve the state of the squad. There has to be wholesale changes in the summer, too many aging, underperforming and simply not good enough players in this squad.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Just now, Mattoon said:

Howe should not be going anywhere, he's had a rough season but let's not forget the precursor to this:

 

1. No CEO, no DOF

2. Isak fiasco

3. First, second, third and fourth choice players going elsewhere

4. Wissa injury

5. Wissa form after injury

6. Players not having time to bed in until midseason

7. A gazillion games a week

 

It has been ugly, it has been cruel, it has been partly Howe's fault, but getting rid of him now doesn't solve the state of the squad. There has to be wholesale changes in the summer, too many aging, underperforming and simply not good enough players in this squad.

Said it on every page, this squad/club with an unknown manager is much more worrying than Howe with another summer to improve things. 

[andyc35i]

I want us to give him a full preseason with signings already made before we come back to train. But we know that won’t happen, it being a World Cup year will form part of the excuse. 
 

I want him to work on playing a different way or getting back to what we’re good at 

 

 

Edited March 22 by andyc35i

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Just now, andyc35i said:

I want us to give him a full preseason with signings already made before we come back to train. But we know that won’t happen, it being a World Cup year will for part of the excuse 

I mean, we’re hoping we won’t need excuses like

[Jesse Pinkman]

2 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

Said it on every page, this squad/club with an unknown manager is much more worrying than Howe with another summer to improve things. 

He’s already spunked over £100m on Elanga and Wissa. He cannot be trusted in the transfer window to correct this. If so, it’s nailed on he goes for Delap. 

 

 

Edited March 22 by Jesse Pinkman

[andyc35i]

Just now, Jesse Pinkman said:

He’s already spunked over £100m on Elanga and Wissa. He cannot be trusted to correct this 

Wissa really is the only signing that grates me. The others all have time on their side 

[dcmk]

5 minutes ago, Jesse Pinkman said:

Who cares what is his value is when he leaves. He cannot even beat Sunderland. People making out Howe is a god because he won the Carabao cup. 

 

 

 

I don't think you actually like football, if you truly believe the shite that you're posting.

 

"..because he won the Carabao cup" as if it's a minor thing.  We have the budget of a team for 8th place in the league.

 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Just now, andyc35i said:

Wissa really is the only signing that grates me. The others all have time on their side 

I would’ve also liked to have seen Wissa without an instant serious knee injury. 

[Jesse Pinkman]

Just now, andyc35i said:

Wissa really is the only signing that grates me. The others all have time on their side 

£55m could have been spent soo much better than Elanga even if he ends up reaching Barnes level. 

[dcmk]

1 minute ago, Jesse Pinkman said:

He’s already spunked over £100m on Elanga and Wissa. He cannot be trusted in the transfer window to correct this. If so, it’s nailed on he goes for Delap. 

 

 

 

Are you able to name a manager or club who has a perfect transfer record?

 

Would quite like to hear "who is trustworthy"

[astraguy]

5 minutes ago, Mattoon said:

Howe should not be going anywhere, he's had a rough season but let's not forget the precursor to this:

 

1. No CEO, no DOF

2. Isak fiasco

3. First, second, third and fourth choice players going elsewhere

4. Wissa injury

5. Wissa form after injury

6. Players not having time to bed in until midseason

7. A gazillion games a week

 

It has been ugly, it has been cruel, it has been partly Howe's fault, but getting rid of him now doesn't solve the state of the squad. There has to be wholesale changes in the summer, too many aging, underperforming and simply not good enough players in this squad.

[Si67]

18 minutes ago, Poon Raccoon said:

No you’re right, but what i’m trying to say is the timing is right, there’s a better chance of not getting Europe then there is.

 

And besides, a new Manager might actually lift this team into Europe.

 

 

 

Glenn Roeder?

[Milburn]

7 minutes ago, Unbelievable said:

Hard disagree. Howe has vastly overachieved here in 3 of his 4 seasons here, and underachieved in some competitions this year (CL and cups about as good as you’d expect especially taking into account opposition that knocked us out). He’s proven to be one of the best in the business; one disappointing PL campaign doesn’t change that, just like Pardew’s fifth place season didn’t make him a good manager. I’d give Eddie Howe at least the first half of next season. Overall we’re still massively trending up. Howe’s development and entire ethos comes from analysing and learning from failures. Let him cook until the situation really becomes untenable, which there is every chance it won’t become anytime soon.

If we finish bottom half after this level of investment - £5-600m across his tenure - that’s a serious underperformance, not just “one bad season”.

 

And it’s not abstract either. We’re talking about two points combined from West Ham (a), Brentford (a), Spurs (h), Sunderland (a), Sunderland (h), Wolves (a), Brentford (h) and Everton (h). That’s where seasons are defined - not away at City or Barcelona.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Just now, Milburn said:

If we finish bottom half after this level of investment - £5-600m across his tenure - that’s a serious underperformance, not just “one bad season”.

 

And it’s not abstract either. We’re talking about two points combined from West Ham (a), Brentford (a), Spurs (h), Sunderland (a), Sunderland (h), Wolves (a), Brentford (h) and Everton (h). That’s where seasons are defined - not away at City or Barcelona.

It is just one bad season though?

[nufc4eva]

There's games where you really have to turn up and today's was one of those and they barely bothered.

 

Yes lot of games but do think we could have rotated more through the season and hardly easing off for a lot of the players as they will be away with international teams. They need to learn to cope with it as if want to play at the top there's a lot of games. I think Howe has had chances to blood the likes of Neave and Shahar or look more at younger players to help with rotation and he just doesn't. I think in the future and with revenue and Squad cost challenges we need to be willing to bring them through and they probably wouldn't have been any worse than what was out there today.

 

I think for me Howes ability to develop the squad/evolve, improve tactical play, bring through young players and develop us as a top team are in doubt. I genuinely don't believe he can do it and I don't know what the alternative is but we have gone backwards so much in last 2 seasons really and needs a overhaul and different thinking. They as a team couldn't deliver against a team that were shit and haven't invested anywhere near what we have and have been thrown together at beginning of season compared to us where they have all played together last few seasons mostly.

[dcmk]

8 minutes ago, Mattoon said:

Howe should not be going anywhere, he's had a rough season but let's not forget the precursor to this:

 

1. No CEO, no DOF

2. Isak fiasco

3. First, second, third and fourth choice players going elsewhere

4. Wissa injury

5. Wissa form after injury

6. Players not having time to bed in until midseason

7. A gazillion games a week

 

It has been ugly, it has been cruel, it has been partly Howe's fault, but getting rid of him now doesn't solve the state of the squad. There has to be wholesale changes in the summer, too many aging, underperforming and simply not good enough players in this squad.

Dumb folk can't be reasoned with sometimes.

[Jesse Pinkman]

Just now, dcmk said:

Are you able to name a manager or club who has a perfect transfer record?

 

Would quite like to hear "who is trustworthy"

Of course no one has a perfect record but it’s clear Howe prefers certain type of players.
 

He doesn’t have a clue what to do with technical players such as Woltemade.

 

Would you really trust Howe with another £150m and sale proceeds from Gordon and Bruno to build a squad that will consistently get CL? 
 

He’ll go out and buy Delap and Bowen etc. 
 

 

[Wallsendmag]

3 minutes ago, Mattoon said:

Howe should not be going anywhere, he's had a rough season but let's not forget the precursor to this:

 

1. No CEO, no DOF

2. Isak fiasco

3. First, second, third and fourth choice players going elsewhere

4. Wissa injury

5. Wissa form after injury

6. Players not having time to bed in until midseason

7. A gazillion games a week

 

It has been ugly, it has been cruel, it has been partly Howe's fault, but getting rid of him now doesn't solve the state of the squad. There has to be wholesale changes in the summer, too many aging, underperforming and simply not good enough players in this squad.

 

He's been here 4.5 years though. Most managers don't get that luxury. Surely after that amount of time the state of the squad is on him. It's his squad that he's invested £550m on since January 2022. He 100% should be held accountable there.

 

Maybe he's targeted the wrong type of player profile? Maybe he's placed too much emphasis on wanting PL proven players? Maybe he's went for too many athletes instead of targeting a couple of technical players?

 

There are some mitigating factors of course there are. It's been a punishing season, we've played more games than any other teams in any of the other major leagues. The impact the Isak saga has shouldn't be underestimated either, although I'm not sure how much of the blame he should shoulder over us not being able to defend anymore.

[Poon Raccoon]

1 minute ago, Si67 said:

Glenn Roeder?

Find yourself a dark corner and start punching yourself in the balls.