Eddie Howe

[RS]

3 minutes ago, Wilson said:

Before delving into this cess pit that I can't be arsed to trawl through

 

For the Howe out lot, who are the suggested replacements? 

Someone and then another person.  Daft knee-jerk behaviour as per.  
Chelsea Liverpool and manu would love him in charge. Says it all. 

[Stottie]

1 hour ago, Kid Icarus said:

Stuff like this is inconveniently true imo. It's never accepted as a legitimate excuse like, same thing happened in 23/24.

On top of the fixture congestion, there is also the issue that we have been plagued with hard draws in the cups and have fielded strong teams against what is usually Premier League opposition. This hinders player development and knackers the first team.

 

I like Eddie Howe, but don't like us conceding lots of goals. I would prefer us playing as we did in the first fourth place season, when we were defensively solid, than the way we played last season and this season. Some of it is decline in players, like Pope and Trippier. Some of it will be our playing style being found out and/or football moving on. The criticism of the summer window should probably focus more on insufficient defensive reinforcement than all the "I told you so" stuff about Wissa and Elanga.

 

Man U conceded loads under Amorim, and he got sacked. Liverpool are doing the same under Slot, and he'll probably get sacked too barring a Champions League miracle. Defensive weakness is not a platform to build sustained success. Note that Slot too spunked half a billion on attackers and has a team that is defensively frail.

 

[Turnbull2000]

For the Howe outers, who would you like to bring in? Doubt we have the pull for a top tier manager - we have pretty average infrastructure and our budget is top 7-8, neither of which will change any time soon, if at all. 

[Decky]

1 minute ago, astraguy said:

I didn't mean he has scored 10 from midfield,I was making the point because the "Fans" we're moaning he wasn't scoring with his fee eddie changed it up, And choose Gordon upfront who became our leading gs is the cl?

 

Eddie deserves a ton of credit for a lot this season, I don't even want him out I just think he does deserve criticism too and people shouldn't jump down the throats of others when they give it. 

[Kid Icarus]

Just now, Decky said:

We're not asking a nurse to perform surgery here though. A manager at this level should be comfortable taking the reigns of a transfer window, infact id be fairly confident most if not all would prefer it that way. 

 

Then why have DoFs at all? Their jobs are completely different. And it's not just skill differences either, it's about time and resource capacity that someone can have without it negatively impacting on how well they can do either and the liklihood of burnout. 

 

Anyway, I don't think we're going to agree.

[black_n_white]

If think it’s clear that Eddie struggles with fixture congestion, I’m not sure he’ll ever adapt. However, next season with no European football we can’t bet against him not having a successful season. So where does this stop? It’s the only sticking point I have against him.

[JoeyBartoon]

1 minute ago, RS said:

Someone and then another person.  Daft knee-jerk behaviour as per.  
Chelsea Liverpool and manu would love him in charge. Says it all. 

I’m really not sure he ticks all the boxes for them clubs. Not a chance they’d give him the control and freedom he created here   

[Si67]

It’s not that there is a shoe in replacement it’s just that so many knew how that game was going to play out within 5 minutes of the second half starting. If we are happy to be a mid-table team who sometimes challenge then Howe will do fine. If he could coach and someone else do game management that would be perfect.

[Rich]

Not sure he comes back from this in the eyes of a lot of supporters, unfortunately. It wasn’t pleasant viewing watching him and the players getting booed all the way around the pitch at the end of the game, though a fair few were clapping in defiance still.

 

I do think he’s more than earned next season, but with the caveat that he has to reinvent the squad and the tactical approach.

 

When he joined and implemented the pressing style in his first full season we were the best in the league at it, but teams are much more used to playing through it or subverting it altogether now and we’ve never really looked like overcoming that in recent times.

 

I do think that’s true for a lot of sides in the league, this season especially, as it’s by no means just us who look a pale shadow of our former selves.

 

The bloom is off the rose, either way. I always knew that the cup final was likely to be our greatest day, and it’s hard to see how we ever better that with the rules as they are without a minor miracle.

[Doctor Zaius]

15 minutes ago, Shadow Puppets said:

I think Thiaw, Ramsey and Wolt have had very good spells in the team. Can absolutely see why we signed each, even if Wolt has been struggling slightly recently.

 

Elanga has shown some improvement. Jury still out.

 

Wissa is the massive disappointment like. Just crap.

 

The jury is still out on Elanga like they were when still out deliberating at Nuremberg. 

 

 

Edited March 22 by Doctor Zaius

[Decky]

1 minute ago, Kid Icarus said:

 

Then why have DoFs at all? Their jobs are completely different. And it's not just skill differences either, it's about time and resource capacity that someone can have without it negatively impacting on how well they can do either and the liklihood of burnout. 

 

Anyway, I don't think we're going to agree.

 

We should have DOF but we didn't and Howe maybe had the rare chance to take the reigns for a window which we never see anymore. You're right we won't agree but we all want the best for the club, I'm sticking with Howe for another summer but it'll be tough to back him if we start next season poorly. 

[Si67]

Just now, Rich said:

Not sure he comes back from this in the eyes of a lot of supporters, unfortunately. It wasn’t pleasant viewing watching him and the players getting booed all the way around the pitch at the end of the game, though a fair few were clapping in defiance still.

 

I do think he’s more than earned next season, but with the caveat that he has to reinvent the squad and the tactical approach.

 

When he joined and implemented the pressing style in his first full season we were the best in the league at it, but teams are much more used to playing through it or subverting it altogether now and we’ve never really looked like overcoming that in recent times.

 

I do think that’s true for a lot of sides in the league, this season especially, as it’s by no means just us who look a pale shadow of our former selves.

 

The bloom is off the rose, either way. I always knew that the cup final was likely to be our greatest day, and it’s hard to see how we ever better that with the rules as they are or without a minor miracle.

One thing is certain he won’t change tactics or a squad that doesn’t have his favourites.

[Jordan]

35 minutes ago, Wallsendmag said:

People saying he needs better players but surely our players are better than Sunderlands, no?

 

They've outfought and outworked us twice now. Tactically they were better than us today as well 2nd half. That's nowt to do with talent.

Forgot they were coming off a game against Champions League opposition in midweek in both games as well. Of course they’re going to outwork us when we’re flogging the same players week in week out. The squads knackered. 

[bobbydazzla]

25 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

Hmm, maybe but I’m sure managers have these periods and then don’t get sacked. 

Some do, some don’t. Maybe Eddie will, maybe he won’t.

 

But everything we’ve been experiencing aligns with what the Bournemouth fan who came on here told us what Howe was like in his end days there, so that’s why it feels like history repeating.

[Miggys First Goal]

Chelsea, Liverpool and Manure would welcome him and would also be able to provide him with the players he deserves. 

[Jesse Pinkman]

9 minutes ago, Turnbull2000 said:

For the Howe outers, who would you like to bring in? Doubt we have the pull for a top tier manager - we have pretty average infrastructure and our budget is top 7-8, neither of which will change any time soon, if at all. 

Nagelsmann - could look to get back into club football 

Iraola - contract expires in the Summer 

Tuchel - contract expires in the Summer 

Glasner - leaving in the Summer 

Sebastian Hoeneß - statistically one of the best managers in Europe 

Conte - free agent and serial winner 

Simone Inzaghi - one of the top managers in Serie A

 

Wildcard 

 

Xavi - would be interesting to see what he can do with the team 

Mourinho - people will disagree with this one but a sentimental part of me wouldn’t be against this 

[Jewel]

4 minutes ago, black_n_white said:

If think it’s clear that Eddie struggles with fixture congestion, I’m not sure he’ll ever adapt. However, next season with no European football we can’t bet against him not having a successful season. So where does this stop? It’s the only sticking point I have against him.

Especially if it's true, as has been reported, that he insists on going balls to the wall in every training session. No wonder the players look so shagged all the time, if that is true.

 

The best managers know when to ease off and when to raise the intensity.

[1892er]

7 minutes ago, Turnbull2000 said:

For the Howe outers, who would you like to bring in? Doubt we have the pull for a top tier manager - we have pretty average infrastructure and our budget is top 7-8, neither of which will change any time soon, if at all. 

That's the thing. Was just checking transfermarkt to see who was available and not many on that list I'd swap for Howe.

 

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/trainer/verfuegbaretrainer/statistik

[Decky]

When we're playing one game a week now in the coming weeks and someone says the players are knackered can we just ban them?

[Wolfcastle]

If were saying because we won a cup last year its okay to have played turgid football all season and go backward at a rate of knots this season, does that remain the case forever or is there a time limit on how far the gets you. In which case were only arguing about time. So what's the big deal. 

There's nobody better yet the staleness is palpable and this season in isolation has been unacceptable - in that a continuation of it and the decision will be made anyway and you couldnt blame them.

 

[KingArthur]

11 minutes ago, Turnbull2000 said:

For the Howe outers, who would you like to bring in? Doubt we have the pull for a top tier manager - we have pretty average infrastructure and our budget is top 7-8, neither of which will change any time soon, if at all. 

There are great managers available at the moment. But to be honest good question is are they willing to come to NUFC. I doubt it 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

2 minutes ago, Wolfcastle said:

If were saying because we won a cup last year its okay to have played turgid football all season and go backward at a rate of knots this season, does that remain the case forever or is there a time limit on how far the gets you. In which case were only arguing about time. So what's the big deal. 

There's nobody better yet the staleness is palpable and this season in isolation has been unacceptable - in that a continuation of it and the decision will be made anyway and you couldnt blame them.

 

 

Don't think anybody thinks it's OK.

[Menace]

Inzaghi achieved miracles with peanuts - he's a class manager. If he wants to come is another question.

[Wallsendmag]

6 minutes ago, Jordan said:

Forgot they were coming off a game against Champions League opposition in midweek in both games as well. Of course they’re going to outwork us when we’re flogging the same players week in week out. The squads knackered. 

 

I'd tend to agree with you more if we hadn't been playing like this in August/September as well. It's been a season of generally shite performances with the odd good one thrown in once in a while.

 

Setting the tone for that 2nd half by booting our kick off out for a goal kick has nothing to do with us playing a game on Wednesday night.

[DevonGeordie]

11 minutes ago, Turnbull2000 said:

For the Howe outers, who would you like to bring in? Doubt we have the pull for a top tier manager - we have pretty average infrastructure and our budget is top 7-8, neither of which will change any time soon, if at all. 

15th largest club in the world in terms of revenue, a 52k seater stadium, and a squad that has quite routinely defeated Chelsea, Man U, Spurs and Arsenal in recent seasons. We’re in a much better position than we were at the start of the takeover, so yeah I’d say the pull is there.