Eddie Howe

[Wallsendmag]

1 minute ago, SUPERTOON said:

Imagine 

 

Good, solid signing the Eddie Howe FC fans will tell you.

 

Seriously though, surely there's not a chance it happens 

[nufc123]

Just now, dcmk said:

No.  Someone was arguing that the same amount of criticism is levelled at PIF as it does Howe.

Thats not how the debate started. 

[dcmk]

1 minute ago, nufc123 said:

Will try for Trafford again, and fail again.

Trafford improves us significantly tbf.  

[nufc123]

Just now, dcmk said:

Trafford improves us significantly tbf.  

Was not the point.

[dcmk]

Just now, nufc123 said:

Thats not how the debate started. 

Aye, you said you had no actual point to begin with. 

[SUPERTOON]

2 minutes ago, Wallsendmag said:

 

Good, solid signing the Eddie Howe FC fans will tell you.

 

Seriously though, surely there's not a chance it happens 

We all know there is a chance 

[bobbydazzla]

Just now, dcmk said:

 

Based on the reaction today we were just expected to stroll up today at Selhurst Park and get the three points.  Would have been the same at 1-1.

The reaction isn’t to that at all.
 

The reaction is mainly people saying we’ve been making the same shit mistakes all season long and we look stale. 

You’re throwing the word around when people are saying that because we look stale and have been making the same mistakes all season long, in their view the time has come to change the manger. 
 

That’s not being entitled, that’s having an opinion based on evidence. 

[nufc123]

Just now, dcmk said:

Aye, you said you had no actual point to begin with. 

Think you may have to read my first post about it.

[Yorkie]

I still think we can have some hope thanks to the preparation time between games. I'm not excusing today's result but it's not like he had three weeks of training with the team, that's a bit overblown. He had like six players to work with for a fair chunk of the break because of international duties. Surely we can hold some hope that we can start working on some patterns between the games now, with the full squad available to work with continuously? 

 

Our biggest problem all season has been lack of goals. If we can squeeze half a dozen extra goals from the team - that we would otherwise not have scored with no training time - we could have a strong end to the season.

[Zero]

21 minutes ago, dcmk said:

If he sorts the goalkeeper position out, defence and gets a striker in, we are walking it with no Europe comps.

Jesus. How about just try to make subs before conceding goals?

[nufc123]

15 minutes ago, dcmk said:

 

Based on the reaction today we were just expected to stroll up today at Selhurst Park and get the three points.  Would have been the same at 1-1.

I expect us to learn.

[Zero]

1 minute ago, Yorkie said:

I still think we can have some hope thanks to the preparation time between games. I'm not excusing today's result but it's not like he had three weeks of training with the team, that's a bit overblown. He had like six players to work with for a fair chunk of the break because of international duties. Surely we can hold some hope that we can start working on some patterns between the games now, with the full squad available to work with continuously? 

 

Our biggest problem all season has been lack of goals. If we can squeeze half a dozen extra goals from the team - that we would otherwise not have scored with no training time - we could have a strong end to the season.

our biggest problem is our defense and ability to hold on the lead. Stop the lack of goals non-sense. We didn’t have a lot of draws. We successfully score goals and then throw the game away. I have had enough for this bullshit. And I know why, because this is the best defense you guys can find for Howe, while the defence record is solely on Howe

[Kid Icarus]

I'd have more sympathy with the subs argument if I hadn't watched subs then come on and be absolutely shit all season. The starting line up surely matters more and that changes all the time.

 

 

Edited April 12 by Kid Icarus

[Jesse Pinkman]

4 minutes ago, Yorkie said:

I still think we can have some hope thanks to the preparation time between games. I'm not excusing today's result but it's not like he had three weeks of training with the team, that's a bit overblown. He had like six players to work with for a fair chunk of the break because of international duties. Surely we can hold some hope that we can start working on some patterns between the games now, with the full squad available to work with continuously? 

 

Our biggest problem all season has been lack of goals. If we can squeeze half a dozen extra goals from the team - that we would otherwise not have scored with no training time - we could have a strong end to the season.

Our biggest problem has been defence bud 

[dcmk]

Just now, bobbydazzla said:

The reaction isn’t to that at all.
 

The reaction is mainly people saying we’ve been making the same shit mistakes all season long and we look stale. 

You’re throwing the word around when people are saying that because we look stale and have been making the same mistakes all season long, in their view the time has come to change the manger. 
 

That’s not being entitled, that’s having an opinion based on evidence. 

It works both ways, there is clear evidence that he will sort this out next season based upon past seasons with us.  A portion of the fanbase are being hugely reactionary because results aren't going out way and ignore the fact that every team has fluctuations in form, even bad seasons.

 

There are huge mitigating factors that explains the season we are having.. and that has all been talked about to the nth degree.  But people don't want to acknowledge it and can't handle the idea of any transitional periods hence these OTT reactions to a poor performance.

 

Imo he should be allowed the summer window, and to allow the structure in place to actively identify and targets players.. a structure that should work in a way where we progress multiple targets at the same time.. and not wait two weeks for a player to say 'no' to them decide to move onto the next on the list.  That's my pet peeve.  It was all too reactive last summer.  Just seemed like they were making it up as they go along because of the Isak curveball.

 

He should get the benefit of doubt.  People talk about him as if he's Steve Bruce Mk II.

 

 

 

[Zero]

Just now, Kid Icarus said:

I'd have some sympathy with the subs argument if I hadn't watch subs then come on and be absolutely shit all season. The starting line up surely matters more and that's changes all the time.

you spend over 100m on the bench and if you cannot make them perform that is solely on Howe. 

[Kid Icarus]

9 minutes ago, Zero said:

you spend over 100m on the bench and if you cannot make them perform that is solely on Howe. 

Solely to blame for not bringing them on. Solely to blame for bringing them on and them not performing, got it.

 

 

Edited April 12 by Kid Icarus

[Sir Joel Inton]

2 minutes ago, Zero said:

our biggest problem is our defense and ability to hold on the lead. Stop the lack of goals non-sense. We didn’t have a lot of draws. We successfully score goals and then throw the game away. I have had enough for this bullshit. And I know why, because this is the best defense you guys can find for Howe, while the defence record is solely on Howe

 

We’ve scored more goals than Villa in 4th.

 

Conceded more than Forest fighting relegation.

[Shays Given Tim Flowers]

2 hours ago, Wallsendmag said:

 

Aye let's never get rid of a manager ever because 20 years ago we dropped a bollock by appointing Souness 

People wanted Pardew out and we got Carver. 

[dcmk]

4 minutes ago, nufc123 said:

I expect us to learn.

Hopefully the new backroom structure learns from the fiasco of last summer, trades well and bring in a pool of strikers that are ready for pre-season.

[Maggies]

Without European football, it’s at least 2 more season to find out if Howe can cope with the league and Europe demands.

 

Are we willing to wait that long to see if Howe is able to improve and develop to the standards we need?

 

My personal view is no. Bring in a more capable manager at end of this season who can overhaul the squad this summer.

[alexf]

3 minutes ago, Yorkie said:

I still think we can have some hope thanks to the preparation time between games. I'm not excusing today's result but it's not like he had three weeks of training with the team, that's a bit overblown. He had like six players to work with for a fair chunk of the break because of international duties. Surely we can hold some hope that we can start working on some patterns between the games now, with the full squad available to work with continuously? 

 

Our biggest problem all season has been lack of goals. If we can squeeze half a dozen extra goals from the team - that we would otherwise not have scored with no training time - we could have a strong end to the season.

 

Seasons done. Today was last chance to stay in the mix, but too many teams ahead of us now to finish top 8.

 

There is a big difference when there is still something to play for, but now the majority of our players now will be in self preservation mode looking to secure their transfer elsewhere in the summer or staying fit for the world Cup. 

 

I predict a bleak end to the season now with a very negative cloud over the club heading to the summer unfortunately. 

[Zero]

1 minute ago, dcmk said:

It works both ways, there is clear evidence that he will sort this out next season based upon past seasons with us.  A portion of the fanbase are being hugely reactionary because results aren't going out way and ignore the fact that every team has fluctuations in form, even bad seasons.

 

There are huge mitigating factors that explains the season we are having.. and that has all been talked about to the nth degree.  But people don't want to acknowledge it and can't handle the idea of any transitional periods hence these OTT reactions to a poor performance.

 

Imo he should be allowed the summer window, and to allow the structure in place to actively identify and targets players.. a structure that should work in a way where we progress multiple targets at the same time.. and not wait two weeks for a player to say 'no' to them decide to move onto the next on the list.  That's my pet peeve.  It was all too reactive last summer.  Just seemed like they were making it up as they go along because of the Isak curveball.

 

He should get the benefit of doubt.  People talk about him as if he's Steve Bruce Mk II.

 

 

 

1. He has had his say last summer. And I could tell you now it looks like it’s Wilson who decides who to bring in. I guarantee you if Howe’s in charge, that kid won’t come. So your argument or your wish won’t come true - Howe won’t have much influence on the coming summer recruitment. 
 

2. People talking like he is Steve Bruce Mk II because this season he is performing exactly like a Steve Bruce Mk II. It’s fucking shocking

[nufc123]

Just now, dcmk said:

Hopefully the new backroom structure learns from the fiasco of last summer, trades well and bring in a pool of strikers that are ready for pre-season.

Hopefully. I also hope we learn how not to fuck up in the 90 min.

[dcmk]

1 minute ago, Maggies said:

Without European football, it’s at least 2 more season to find out if Howe can cope with the league and Europe demands.

 

Are we willing to wait that long to see if Howe is able to improve and develop to the standards we need?

 

My personal view is no. Bring in a more capable manager at end of this season who can overhaul the squad this summer.

You acknowledge that he's the man who gets us into Europe next season.

 

Everyone else we bring in now is surely a question mark.  So why gamble? 

 

If Howe struggles in Europe in the next campaign he's involved with, look then and there.