Eddie Howe

[Minhosa]

Just now, ryanegg said:

Someone mentioned it before, but I wonder how/if at all, the illness he had to take a few games out with last season has affected him? He doesn't seem the same bloke this season, and the team has followed suit. 

 

The number of points dropped over the season is due to poor tactics and partly, the players' concentration. 15 points from what we have lost with better game management would have been attainable, I reckon. That would have taken us 3rd.

 

We’ve also completely lost our ability to shithouse/see games out. Seems like a total culture/mentality change in the way we approach games. 

[andycap]

1 minute ago, Sir Joel Inton said:

 

If we bought someone in during the summer, I’d be happy to afford them time assuming I can see a plan, some positives in the performances and coherence in our play.

 

You know, a bit like I did with Howe when he first came in and it took a while to get going.

 

If someone came in, we had dreadful performance after dreadful performance, they were making the same errors week in week out and we were visibly going backwards, I’d probably suggest they’re not the right person for the job.

Exactly mate. 

[TRon]

4 minutes ago, Wallsendmag said:

 

He's been backed with over £700m in transfer funds tbf to them. They've also hoyed another £300m+ into the club as well. Obviously there's been issues with staff recruitment and retention above Howe but not sure how they can be held responsible for continuous poor in game management and the fact that his half time team talks seem to kill off any 1st half momentum we might have (25 points now dropped from winning positions).

 

 

 

 

 

Yep. They don't seem that clued up about football, but as I said earlier today, you could say that about most ownerships. Howe is being judged on the football we are producing, I'm sure PIF will be judged on ownership if they stop putting the money in. 

[Mountain]

10 minutes ago, dcmk said:

There were very few signs back in 2023 when our form was dire, just like now, and he turned the form around.

 

He turned around a team that was 100% destined for relegation.

 

People give him very little credit.  It's no wonder the fan base is labeled deluded. 

 

This season has been poor, but we have the right guy to sort it. He's done it twice before already.

 

 

 

 

 

He's had a lot of credit, look at he top of this page, 37% of people here still back him 100% and don't even have any gripes.

 

That is people giving him credit.

 

[Kid Icarus]

1 minute ago, nufc123 said:

You denied PIF had gotten much criticism, thats totally wrong.

Compared to Howe they have. Agree to disagree though, We're speaking different languages here.

[nufc123]

Just now, Kid Icarus said:

Compared to Howe they have. Agree to disagree though, We're speaking different languages here.

Go read the last page in the PIF thread then, and the 10s and 100s before that..

[dcmk]

Just now, Mountain said:

 

 

 

He's had a lot of credit, look at he top of this page, 37% of people here still back him 100% and don't even have any gripes.

 

That is people giving him credit.

 

Some people are saying he has credit and in the next sentence saying they want him out.

[J7]

7 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

If you genuinely believe that the amount and depth of criticism for PIF has been anywhere near that for Howe then godspeed. I'd be shocked if many agreed.

Why are you completely ignoring that these are totally different things?

[Kid Icarus]

Just now, nufc123 said:

Go read the last page in the PIF thread then, and the 10s and 100s before that..

I have, that's how I came to that conclusion

 

We disagree, it's fine.

[dcmk]

Just now, nufc123 said:

Go read the last page in the PIF thread then, and the 10s and 100s before that..

PIF gets a tenth of the criticism that Howe gets.

 

It's not comparable.

[Wallsendmag]

1 minute ago, TRon said:

 

 

Yep. They don't seem that clued up about football, but as I said earlier today, you could say that about most ownerships. Howe is being judged on the football we are producing, I'm sure PIF will be judged on ownership if they stop putting the money in. 

 

He's been backed with ridiculous money over these past 4 years. I'm sure they would have given him even more if the rules would have allowed as well. He's been allowed to build an entire new team, which is what we've been watching this season. I don't think much of it if truth be told and I'll happily say as much.

[Colos Short and Curlies]

8 minutes ago, dcmk said:

The people who want Howe out, whoever comes in next would you allow them a prolonged period poor run of form?  An transitional season?  How long could you live with underperformance before wanting them out. 

 

As based on our current manager, who has won us a trophy here, who despite the shite season took us to a LC semi, CL quarters and should be much higher in the PL with better defending and goalkeeping, you don't give him much time.  

 

Can live with the top bit - other than I don't see what we are transitioning into, but today's back 5 were all signed by Howe so you can't use defending as an excuse for him.

[Jackie Broon]

2 minutes ago, Wallsendmag said:

 

He's been backed with over £700m in transfer funds tbf to them. They've also hoyed another £300m+ into the club as well. Obviously there's been issues with staff recruitment and retention above Howe but not sure how they can be held responsible for continuous poor in game management and the fact that his half time team talks seem to kill off any 1st half momentum we might have (25 points now dropped from winning positions).

 

 

 

 

And Eddie's only explanation is now that "it must be psychological", when he's doing stuff like making a single like-for-like substitution of Barnes for Gordon in response to them making a triple change and the match clearly turning against us.

[TRon]

1 minute ago, dcmk said:

Some people are saying he has credit and in the next sentence saying they want him out.

 

 

Probably terrified at the prospect of another season of buying runners to try to fix the high intensity identity. 

[Kid Icarus]

2 minutes ago, J7 said:

Why are you completely ignoring that these are totally different things?

I'm not ignoring it, it's that I don't think they're completely different things at all.

 

 

Edited April 12 by Kid Icarus

[Mills and Boon]

2 minutes ago, Minhosa said:

We’ve also completely lost our ability to shithouse/see games out. Seems like a total culture/mentality change in the way we approach games. 

 

That's the biggest issue I see. I used to be confident in us seeing out a result but that's gone now.

 

It's all well and good putting the blame on Howe, but the way he's set us up had us with a 1 nowt lead going into the 80th minute. It's up to the players to dig in and see it out, Howe isn't kicking the ball (or pulling the shirts) for them

[Wallsendmag]

Just now, dcmk said:

PIF gets a tenth of the criticism that Howe gets.

 

It's not comparable.

 

And they got a tenth of the credit that Howe got when we won the League Cup (unless I missed the huge PIF flag hanging from another city centre hotel). You see how this works?

[Mountain]

Just now, dcmk said:

Some people are saying he has credit and in the next sentence saying they want him out.

 

 

That's understandable but 37% of people here don't even have any gripes, I'd say that was plenty of credit to be fair.

[astraguy]

1 hour ago, 500bhp said:

 

I'm guessing you're quite young? Certainly compared to some of us old fuckers on here 😀. Seeing ex players and managers at other clubs is just the  way it is, normal football stuff. I was happy when KK moved back into management with Man City.

 

Players and managers come and go. Its a cycle and Howe is probably about to complete his extremely successful time with us. I won't be arsed if he gets the Man U this summer, for example. 

37, Agree to disagree but i believe Eddie is the next English Ferguson just not at the right club 

[nufc123]

4 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

I have, that's how I came to that conclusion

 

We disagree, it's fine.

Not read it properly then 

[J7]

5 minutes ago, dcmk said:

The summer window was a disaster.  And the reasons for that has been discussed ad nauseam. Everyone knows why by now.

 

If he has credit with you would at least give him the summer with this new structure in place, and see how we start.  He turned a relegation fodder team into a CL team in a summer.  

 

And a team that struggled into a CL and trophy winning team.  

No, I wouldn’t. For a number of reasons. I think the players have stopped believing in him. I think he’s become stubborn with selections and tactics. I don’t think he’s particularly great in the transfer market. I think turning things around when you’ve been in charge and it’s being getting worse for a long period of time is different to going in somewhere new with new ideas. 
 

There are obviously no guarantees with a new manager, of course there aren’t. However the most likely scenario I can see at the moment if Howe stays is this just continues, he goes fairly early next season, a new manager is playing catch up, and we’re looking toward 27/28 to do anything again.

[TRon]

3 minutes ago, Wallsendmag said:

 

He's been backed with ridiculous money over these past 4 years. I'm sure they would have given him even more if the rules would have allowed as well. He's been allowed to build an entire new team, which is what we've been watching this season. I don't think much of it if truth be told and I'll happily say as much.

 

I suppose the only question is whether if he was given unlimited funds, could he produce regular CL football? Maybe. But we don't play football like the top sides do, and I'm not sure that's Howe's way of playing anyway. 

[Cf]

I do understand a lot of the criticism.

 

The PL especially has been poor this season. 

 

But he's still a top top manager. He hasn't become bad overnight.

 

We're having a poor season. It happens. 

 

It's not all on Howe either. The shit show of last summer, the increasingly clear fact he's having to pick from two seconds choice goal keepers, the fixture congestion, injuries (all teams suffer this to an extent but this for us also ties into the previous point), individual errors on the pitch at key times, the PL being as strong as it has ever been, and generally I still argue not having the rub of the green all that often. 

 

Call them excuses if you like. For me they're more reasons as to why this season has been so inconsistent. 

 

It's clear at this point the squad needs a bit of an overhaul. Howe has already turned a relegation fodder team into CL place contenders and cup winners. He's more than shown us his quality and imo we're lucky to have him and should be backing him. 

[dcmk]

3 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

 

Probably terrified at the prospect of another season of buying runners to try to fix the high intensity identity. 

Like the time he bought us Isak and Bruno?

 

Or his numerous attempts to sign Ekitike, Sesko, Pedro, Cunha and Mbeumo.

 

That would have been a decent point if it were true.

 

 

 

 

[Sima]

Is it true that today was the cutoff for yellow totting up to activate suspensions?

 

Fucking madness playing Joelinton if it was.