Gawalls Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 3 minutes ago, Danh1 said: Do we think Howe does though? I’m not so sure on either but less certain we do the way things are going. Stop living in the present mate, that's not the way Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 1 minute ago, TRC said: That can’t be the benchmark either. Progression? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRC Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 Just now, Heron said: Progression? At this rate progression next season is top half Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 On the spending and wasting a fortune argument, are we really just done with factoring in the conditions of last summer? I.e. PSR and the Isak saga? Three of the summer signings were his first choices: Ramsey, Thiaw and Elanga. One of those is improving with every game and tends to be one of our better performers; another has been literally immovable from the team; and one has been bad. I'm not going to sit here and pretend he isn't accountable to okay-ing the three he didn't really want, but surely there's a bit of grace when making a judgement on his judgement? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmesy Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 7 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said: What do you think Arne Slot was? Fair I guess, although he did have a league title to his name. The key difference is that he favours possession-based football, he's essentially a manager who already suited the 'Liverpool way of playing' and had pedigree. As has been discussed on here many times - the top teams play possession-based football, which is why they go for possession-based managers. But yeah, I guess Slot didn't have the glittering career before he joined them. Who knows. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiotes Witch Doctor Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 Just now, Robster said: It feels like his achievements are being downplayed with the speed with which people are wanting to dump him. I just think the implications of what we've seen this season will intermittently come back to haunt us if he stays, he's shown huge tactical naivety and a complete inability to adapt to different situations, I really think he's taken us as far as he can, and the comparisons to what Bournemouth fans have said about his last season there are striking. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUFC91 Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 (edited) 8 minutes ago, dcmk said: Jeez what nonsense, in my lifetime I have seen Brendan Rogers, Hodgson, Dalglish and now Arne Slot get the Liverpool job. An intelligent, young, hardworking, trophy winning manager is more than capable to be considered like. Daft to suggest otherwise. Slot is trophy winning manager, he won the Premier League in his first season? I think they might keep him on I. Summer. Edited April 13 by NUFC91 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 2 minutes ago, NUFC91 said: I 100% agree but I think this season would make them look at other options given our form and league position. How about Kompany going from relegated Burnley to Bayern? I don't necessarily think Howe would definitely get picked up by these clubs btw, but I also think it wouldn't be out of keeping with some of the managers they've had and if he's admired he'll be admired regardless of this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 2 minutes ago, Holmesy said: Fair I guess, although he did have a league title to his name. The key difference is that he favours possession-based football, he's essentially a manager who already suited the 'Liverpool way of playing' and had pedigree. As has been discussed on here many times - the top teams play possession-based football, which is why they go for possession-based managers. But yeah, I guess Slot didn't have the glittering career before he joined them. Who knows. Slot is on the verge of being sacked at Liverpool Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 2 minutes ago, NUFC91 said: Slot is trophy winning manager, he won the Premier League in his first season? I think they might keep him on I. Summer. So there is a doubt that Liverpool might keep this amazing manager ? Odd. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiotes Witch Doctor Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Yorkie said: On the spending and wasting a fortune argument, are we really just done with factoring in the conditions of last summer? I.e. PSR and the Isak saga? Three of the summer signings were his first choices: Ramsey, Thiaw and Elanga. One of those is improving with every game and tends to be one of our better performers; another has been literally immovable from the team; and one has been bad. I'm not going to sit here and pretend he isn't accountable to okay-ing the three he didn't really want, but surely there's a bit of grace when making a judgement on his judgement? It would be ignorant to suggest there wasnt some factors out of his control, nobody is saying absolutely everything is his fault, but in terms of the players one of his strengths is getting the best out of players and having a team perform better than the sum of it's parts, he's even failing on that front, we're sitting 14th with 14 losses with no signs of improvement. Edited April 13 by Tiotes Witch Doctor Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcmk Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 Just now, bobbydazzla said: Sometimes the grass is greener you know. You seem utterly convinced that anyone but Howe would be a huge mistake. It’s a very naive and narrow minded way of thinking, to believe the only possible outcome of replacing Howe would be a bad outcome. It might turn out good. It might turn out bad. You can’t possibly say for certain what will happen. It's not naive. It's just having a realistic approach to it, we are very likely to regret the decision. If you are able to believe that Howe was hindered massively by the summer and let down by the people above him. Then you can admit that this season there has been some huge mitigating factors to explain the poor results. The big mistakes happened last summer when were no DoF in place and losing Isak. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmesy Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 3 minutes ago, Robster said: Slot is on the verge of being sacked at Liverpool A manager who won the league last season? Why would they think of sacking him? Liverpool fans must have very short memories. No one else could have done what Slot did last season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcmk Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 7 minutes ago, NUFC91 said: Slot is trophy winning manager, he won the Premier League in his first season? I think they might keep him on I. Summer. He had won next to nothing before Liverpool. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 Just now, Holmesy said: A manager who won the league last season? Why would they think of sacking him? Liverpool fans must have very short memories. No one else could have done what Slot did last season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 3 minutes ago, Holmesy said: Fair I guess, although he did have a league title to his name. The key difference is that he favours possession-based football, he's essentially a manager who already suited the 'Liverpool way of playing' and had pedigree. As has been discussed on here many times - the top teams play possession-based football, which is why they go for possession-based managers. But yeah, I guess Slot didn't have the glittering career before he joined them. Who knows. He did, but ye nah, the same league Steve McClaren won. He was definitely a punt. As was Arteta, Amorim, Ten Haag, Maresca, Rosenior, Poch at Spurs, and more. Man City play that way, but I'm not convinced others do to a huge extent and are more transitional like. Our model at its best is very, very similar to Liverpool under Klopp imo. Actually can't remember the last time a club here went for an established manager. Conte at Spurs? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 10 minutes ago, Tiotes Witch Doctor said: It would be ignorant to suggest there wasnt some factors out of his control, nobody is saying absolutely everything is his fault, but in terms of the players one of his strengths is getting the best out of players and having a team perform better than the sum of it's parts, he's eleven failing on that front, we're sitting 14th with 14 losses with no signs of improvement. On the matter of improving players, I hold some hope that regular training time will bear some fruit, but it's crucial we get a result to accompany that or it'll all be futile cos their heads will go. But back to the transfers, I really feel like there's a lot of pretty unfair criticism aimed at him over that. We got absolutely fucked with the striker situation and all he tried to do was sign the most established and available strikers on the market. The only signing he deserves any real pelters for is Elanga, but we're not 14th because we signed Anthony Elanga. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 12 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said: Sometimes the grass is greener you know. You seem utterly convinced that anyone but Howe would be a huge mistake. It’s a very naive and narrow minded way of thinking, to believe the only possible outcome of replacing Howe would be a bad outcome. It might turn out good. It might turn out bad. You can’t possibly say for certain what will happen. It seems extremely out of character for you to be dealing in the hypothetical. Your entire thing is about dealing what has happened. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 (edited) 13 minutes ago, TRC said: At this rate progression next season is top half Next season. But over 4 seasons... If he had have finished wherever we finish this season first (full) season in charge folk wouldn't have batted an eye lid by comparison. He's a victim of his own success. If you line up our seasons in a different order we'd have had staying up, wherever we finish this year, CL qualification and a cup final and CL qualification and a cup win. I get that's not how it's happened but there's been many mitigating factors. The more I see the criticisms of Howe the more inclined I am to back him to be honest, folk may consider that naive or stupid but I think it's seeing the full picture for what it is. Howe need infrastructure around him that stays and players that don't think they're bigger than the club. Then we'll be sound again imo. Training time over the summer and a good summer of transfer business will see us right as rain next season in my opinion. The transfer shit does my head in. We've signed many players who've all been successes and they're all forgotten about. Folk will then say they weren't Howe, but then say he isn't willing to work with a DoF. Its all becoming an absolute nonsense on that front. Folk say he cannot coach and he's literally made every one of those players better players prior to this season when he's had time on the training ground with them. With the exclusion of Trippier who was already outstanding and came for Eddie Howe. Where people are right, is that his formation isn't working and it's because the same intensity isn't being applied. He hasn't perhaps made subs at the right times. There are flaws, of course there are. But sick of reading the contradictory shite that's now being made in an attempt to strengthen an argument. A lot of the arguments are entirely flawed. Of all the people at the club Howe deserves the most backing for me. Not your players or senior leadership team who will seemingly fuck off at the drop of a hat. Nowt personal fella - just a rant in general (not at you). Edited April 13 by Heron Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawalls Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 1 minute ago, dcmk said: He had won next to nothing before Liverpool. Nor had Howe but now he's the only one because he won a trophy yet slot is shit despite winning the premiere League? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcmk Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 1 minute ago, Holmesy said: A manager who won the league last season? Why would they think of sacking him? Liverpool fans must have very short memories. No one else could have done what Slot did last season. Do you not follow the results? You don't seem to know a lot about football. You also thought we didn't qualify for the next round of the CL.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Magpie Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 23 minutes ago, Alberto2005 said: Does seem a bit odd this review in the summer thing, surely you either stick with him or don't. Unless it's on Eddie's side where he's had enough. If Eddie doesn't get the ship turned around these next six games, I think this is the more likely scenario Ii.e., he resigns). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 1 hour ago, dcmk said: Considering Maresca, Rosenior, Arne Slot, Arteta, OGS and Michael Carrick have had or are in bigger jobs. Howe is better than the majority of that lot. Working on a smaller budget, with much tighter resources. So odds are he will be in a top job sooner rather than later. My money is on Liverpool. If you're offering a wager here I bet you he will never manage Liverpool FC. You happy to take this? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubaricho Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 58 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said: We’d be home & hosed as league champions if we’d won every league game we’ve played this season. But we haven’t. And we’re not. Obviously a much different potential scenario. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcmk Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 1 minute ago, Gawalls said: Nor had Howe but now he's the only one because he won a trophy yet slot is shit despite winning the premiere League? People were saying Howe wouldn't be considered for a vacant Liverpool post. But that argument fell down short considering they appointed Slot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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