Eddie Howe

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Even if you have a very negative view on this season it just seems to me another level that you also don’t believe Howe could go again with a summer to refresh and improve the squad.
 

I’ve pretty much given up on anything good happening this season but it just adds up to one poor season for an otherwise brilliant manager. So I don’t think I’ll be changing to Howe out for a long time yet. 

[Gawalls]

30 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

This is exactly what I mean, everyone has memory-holed the summer. He had nothing to do with keeping Isak or not at all, his role in that was finding a replacement and batting off questions in the press, saying countless times that it was being dealt with at ownership level.

 

 

 

Fact is you don't know that for certain, I don't know that and I suspect nobody on this forum knows that either.

[Mikky]

3 minutes ago, RS said:

I’ll bet some of the folk wanting Howe out were also saying give Bruce a chance. 

Not really - I just think quite a few think it’s the end of the cycle for these players and manager and are grateful for what’s been given for the last 4.5 years 

 

We need to re-align our footballing structure whereby the DoF has greater influence on recruitment strategy 

 

The current manager has exhausted all his ability and will be looked on with incredible fondness and gratitude 

 

Nothing wrong with parting ways end of season - the cycle with EH is finished 

[astraguy]

14 minutes ago, astraguy said:

https://www.facebook.com/share/r/1Kh72FsTFN/

 

 

 

 

Can anyone post this to show the video?

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Just now, Mikky said:

We need to re-align our footballing structure whereby the DoF has greater influence on recruitment strategy 

 

I still think we can do this with Howe though, I guess appointing Wilson was already a move in that direction. He's basically the only functioning DOF we've had since Howe has been here (hopefully). 

[GWN]

Ok so the dust has settled and I feel  I can comment on a very different NUFC that I saw yesterday.

 

I used to go every home game ,I rarely go now .I got the chance yesterday,what I saw shocked me !

 

This was Bruce levels of shite football tbh, Osula I’m sorry is fucking shite and don’t say 2 in 2 ,he’s shite.Movement was horrific from each player and I felt Hall was carrying the team.We looked shot with confidence and Howe was no inspiration from the sidelines and never changed a thing when quite clearly whatever the plan was clearly was terrible.Bournemouth had a stroll around and we didn’t have a clue how to create anything.

Howe for me looks fucked and it needs a change at the end of the season as this current set up would get relegated .No leaders ,no heart ,no fight at all.

 

Sorry it needs a good overhaul,time for a change .

 

 

Edited April 19 by GWN

[Danh1]

13 minutes ago, astraguy said:

https://www.facebook.com/share/r/1Kh72FsTFN/

 

Dion Dublin, who tongued Bruce’s balloon knot during his tenure here, saying we shouldn’t expect more than losing late on every week, and nothing being done to change it. 
 

He should stick to property shows the glakey cunt.

[TheBrownBottle]

1 minute ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

Even if you have a very negative view on this season it just seems to me another level that you also don’t believe Howe could go again with a summer to refresh and improve the squad.
 

I’ve pretty much given up on anything good happening this season but it just adds up to one poor season for an otherwise brilliant manager. So I don’t think I’ll be changing to Howe out for a long time yet. 

It’s hardly a stretch to think that - he managed to spend £250m last summer on dross, and this is now 100% his squad, so there is evidence that perhaps he isn’t to be trusted with further funds.  Your position isn’t an unreasonable one, but the lack of faith some of us have isn’t based on a lack of evidence 

[Kid Icarus]

10 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said:

Thats exactly why I said stats only tell part of the story. They’re interesting but need to be taken in context with other factors, such as my opinions I’ve expressed about what I see with my own eyes. 
 

Do those stats take into account we broke the world transfer record when Keegan was in charge and we had ambitions to win the league, but Rafa was shopping in the whoopsie aisle at a club that only had one ambition and that was to not get relegated ? 

 

Interested to know who I should blame for the shite we’re being served up on the pitch week after week after week if I’m not blaming the manager ? 

 

I would just follow the same logic you have with stats only telling part of the story and there being context behind them.

 

Our results and performances have a bigger story behind them than it being the fault of a manager who up until this season was successful and overachieved for 3.5 seasons. That on its own should give pause for thought, but if that's not enough on its own, you only need to look at all of the other variables from previous seasons compared to this one and take them into account: no CEO for a year, no DoF or CEO in the summer, losing our attacking focal point AND his back up, large squad overhaul, being expected to work as manager and a quasi DoF with all of the repercussions that has, the poor signings as a result of the mismanagement of the summer by PIF, a huge match schedule, injuries to key players throughout the season, players with eyes out the door or on the world cup.

 

Those are just the ones off the top of my head. If Howe's record here had been something like scraped survival, 8th, 10th, 9th and a couple of quarter finals those things would still be valid but there'd be nothing worth holding onto, but beneath all of that dirt we already know there's gold, it's been proven to us. That's why we shouldn't be discounting it, what's underneath all of that is worth holding onto.

[Gawalls]

Just now, Danh1 said:

Dion Dublin, who tongued Bruce’s balloon knot during his tenure here, saying we shouldn’t expect more than losing late on every week, and nothing being done to change it. 
 

He should stick to property shows the glakey cunt.

Not read it and not going to but half of us expect that every week at the moment and I suspect our opponents also expect that from us as well as it's happened in around 25% of our games this season.

[bobbydazzla]

17 minutes ago, Coffee_Johnny said:

 Why people don’t like complicated answers to disappointing occurrences: 

“People often dislike complicated answers to disappointments because they are seeking emotional validation, simplicity, and swift resolution rather than a complex justification. Disappointment is fundamentally a feeling of sadness or deflated expectation, and long explanations can feel like an invalidation of that pain, or an attempt to avoid accountability.”

 

 

 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

1 minute ago, TheBrownBottle said:

It’s hardly a stretch to think that - he managed to spend £250m last summer on dross, and this is now 100% his squad, so there is evidence that perhaps he isn’t to be trusted with further funds.  Your position isn’t an unreasonable one, but the lack of faith some of us have isn’t based on a lack of evidence 

Yeah, but I still think signings like Wissa and Elanga should’ve contributed more and there was no reason to think there’d be as useless as they have been.

 

The hope I have for this summer is that we now have a more rounded and professional recruitment setup in place which should help everyone. And hopefully a better idea of the players we can realistically get. 

[Gawalls]

3 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

It’s hardly a stretch to think that - he managed to spend £250m last summer on dross, and this is now 100% his squad, so there is evidence that perhaps he isn’t to be trusted with further funds.  Your position isn’t an unreasonable one, but the lack of faith some of us have isn’t based on a lack of evidence 

Now you've done - someone will call you a Bruce lover now.

[Coffee_Johnny]

Good context. It isn’t what people want to hear, but I genuinely think that the safest strategy is looking at past performance and holding in mind that we have a manager who has been golden. What evidence is there, and remember we are in the realms of predicting the future, that he can’t be again? 

[Coffee_Johnny]

3 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said:

Your frame of mind 😉

[Danh1]

3 minutes ago, Gawalls said:

Not read it and not going to but half of us expect that every week at the moment and I suspect our opponents also expect that from us as well as it's happened in around 25% of our games this season.

He basically says that Howe achieved so much here (agree with that) that it’s raised expectations (also agree with that), however, it isn’t that we’ve dropped off, we are a total fucking mess. 

[bobbydazzla]

7 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

 

I would just follow the same logic you have with stats only telling part of the story and there being context behind them.

 

Our results and performances have a bigger story behind them than it being the fault of a manager who up until this season was successful and overachieved for 3.5 seasons. That on its own should give pause for thought, but if that's not enough on its own, you only need to look at all of the other variables from previous seasons compared to this one and take them into account: no CEO for a year, no DoF or CEO in the summer, losing our attacking focal point AND his back up, large squad overhaul, being expected to work as manager and a quasi DoF with all of the repercussions that has, the poor signings as a result of the mismanagement of the summer by PIF, a huge match schedule, injuries to key players throughout the season, players with eyes out the door or on the world cup.

 

Those are just the ones off the top of my head. If Howe's record here had been something like scraped survival, 8th, 10th, 9th and a couple of quarter finals those things would still be valid but there'd be nothing worth holding onto, but beneath all of that dirt we already know there's gold, it's been proven to us. That's why we shouldn't be discounting it, what's underneath all of that is worth holding onto.

Paul McCartney is one of the greatest and most popular songwriters the worlds ever known. The man has genius level songwriting talent.
 

When’s the last time he wrote a decent song ? 
 

The man who was at the heart of some of the greatest, most influential and most popular music ever recorded, also wrote and recorded the fucking Frog Chorus. 
 

Past success is not always an indicator of future success. At some point most people with talent experience decline and never get back to their best. That’s just life.

 

 

Edited April 19 by bobbydazzla

[bobbydazzla]

1 minute ago, Coffee_Johnny said:

Your frame of mind 😉

I said the stats were useful.

 

I also said wider context was useful. 

 

 

Edited April 19 by bobbydazzla

[Mikky]

6 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

 

I still think we can do this with Howe though, I guess appointing Wilson was already a move in that direction. He's basically the only functioning DOF we've had since Howe has been here (hopefully). 

I mean we can but then I look at Howe from

a tactical point of view - I don’t think he’s at the level we need - he doesn’t see things during a game and never makes the right decision 

[TheBrownBottle]

5 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said:

Paul McCartney is one of the greatest and most popular songwriters the worlds ever known. The man has genius level songwriting talent.
 

When’s the last time he wrote a decent song ? 
 

The man who was at the heart of some of the greatest, influential and most popular music ever recorded, also wrote and recorded the fucking Frog Chorus. 
 

Past success is not always an indicator of future success. At some point most people with talent expels decline and never get back to their best.

If it was, Mourinho’s name would create excitement rather than contempt when linked

[Geogaddi]

Based on yesterday he still has the backing of the majority of the match going support which is good to see. I have no doubt that if he is here next season then this time next year we will be in and around the top 6 again, one bad season hasn't made him a bad manager and despite how bad we have been we are only 6 points behind 6th as it is. I don't think he will be here though , we will probably lose the remainder of the games this season and he will be sacked but it will probably be made out to be a mutual thing.

 

On another note whoever we do replace him with will have to do exceptionally well to match what Eddie has achieved here. I would be very surprised if the new manager gets us into the Champions League twice or wins a cup over the next couple of years.

 

 

Edited April 19 by Geogaddi

[Dr Venkman]

The most damning thing for me is how I approached that game yesterday. I ignored it. I haven’t missed a game since the take over, Eddie’s my favourite NUFC manager, I absolutely love him. What I saw against Crystal Palace made me so sure we weren’t turning up yesterday that I didn’t bother. That’s not an acceptable state of affairs no matter the context.

[bobbydazzla]

@Coffee_Johnny

 

Stats are good. I like stats. Especially ones that aren’t predictive.

 

But this is very important: 

 

[Gawalls]

6 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said:

Paul McCartney is one of the greatest and most popular songwriters the worlds ever known. The man has genius level songwriting talent.
 

When’s the last time he wrote a decent song ? 
 

The man who was at the heart of some of the greatest, most influential and most popular music ever recorded, also wrote and recorded the fucking Frog Chorus. 
 

Past success is not always an indicator of future success. At some point most people with talent experience decline and never get back to their best. That’s just life.

 

 

 

I'm doing it in my job right now as a 51 year old DevOps Engineering Lead whose brain is getting older.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

1 minute ago, Dr Venkman said:

The most damning thing for me is how I approached that game yesterday. I ignored it. I haven’t missed a game since the take over, Eddie’s my favourite NUFC manager, I absolutely love him. What I saw against Crystal Palace made me so sure we weren’t turning up yesterday that I didn’t bother. That’s not an acceptable state of affairs no matter the context.

 

That's damning but not on Howe