Eddie Howe

[Kid Icarus]

Amorim was a weird situation as well, he didn't get sacked because of form, in fact he'd properly turned the ship around by the time he was sacked, IIRC he was sacked because he fell out with the board/claimed he wasn't backed.

 

 

Edited April 21 by Kid Icarus

[Stuy_O]

3 hours ago, Dr.Spaceman said:

It's crazy to me (as a pessimistic person by nature) how many people are putting a negative spin on Eddie being given a proper DoF to work to rebuild the first team across an entire summer after what happened last summer.

How on earth is it crazy? 
 

How many times does this need to be addressed? Most people acknowledge the summer was a shit show, but you can’t just point to that as the be all and end all reason as to what we’re seeing every game, particularly these last few games, when the wheels have completely fallen off. 
 

And if it needs reminding, we still spent a fortune. 
 

There’s absolutely no way any fan would have said fair enough if someone had told them where we’d be come this stage of the season, and the results that got us there. 
 

The questions are simple.

 

Was the summer a collective mess? Yes. 

 

Is Eddie Howe currently underperforming? Yes. 
 

Both are true, yet the hardcore Eddie followers on here treat even the slightest criticism like a character assassination. 

 

 

 

 

Edited April 21 by Stuy_O

[The Prophet]

2 minutes ago, Stuy_O said:

How on earth is it crazy? 
 

How many times does this need to be addressed? Most people acknowledge the summer was a shit show, but you can’t just point to that as the be all and end all reason as to what we’re seeing every game, particularly these last few games. 
 

And if it needs reminding, we still spent a fortune. 
 

There’s absolutely no way any fan would have said fair enough if someone had told them where we’d be come this stage of the season, and the results that got us there. 
 

The questions are simple.

 

Was the summer a collective mess? Yes. 

 

Is Eddie Howe currently underperforming? Yes. 
 

Both are true, yet the hardcore Eddie followers on here treat even the slightest criticism like a character assassination. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think you might have made this up.

[Hanshithispantz]

Since when was "he absolutely must be sacked" slight criticism?

 

 

Edited April 21 by Hanshithispantz

[DC Magpie]

1 hour ago, The Prophet said:

If the rest of the season is an audition to be part of the rebuild, no harm in giving Woltamade and Wissa more minutes until May, granted its probably Osula'a shirt to lose at the moment (an issue in itself).

 

I'm for the Woltemade side of this, but Wissa to me can't be gone soon enough. Aside from having contributed nothing, he's shown nothing other than being a bit of an idiot, liking Sunderland posts and swapping shirts with Mateta after he just pasted us (with Wissa's shirt still pristinely clean after playing for 14 seconds.

 

I would love to see us try something where Osula and Nick are up top together outside of this 4-3-3 we can't seem to move on from. 

 

 

[Kid Icarus]

4 minutes ago, Stuy_O said:

The questions are simple.

 

Was the summer a collective mess? Yes. 

 

Is Eddie Howe currently underperforming? Yes. 

 

Are they clearly linked? Yes

 

Has Eddie Howe overperformed in every other circumstance? Yes

[Deuce]

1 hour ago, Andy said:

Genuinely think Hopkinsons' wooly comments have fucked the end of our season as much as anything else btw. Plenty of evidence to suggest that there are enough players of the wrong mindset in our squad who would listen to that and think Eddie was probably away and just half arse it after the international break, sail through to the world cup or their holidays, or just outright feign injury. 

Really hope this doesn’t become the defining narrative. If so, it suggests that far too many people at this club are pathetic smol beans.

[Stuy_O]

3 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

Are they clearly linked? Yes

 

Has Eddie Howe overperformed in every other circumstance? Yes

And I think most would agree. But he received plenty of praise when that was happening. The flip side should be true also.

[LFEE]

2 minutes ago, Stuy_O said:

How on earth is it crazy? 
 

How many times does this need to be addressed? Most people acknowledge the summer was a shit show, but you can’t just point to that as the be all and end all reason as to what we’re seeing every game, particularly these last few games. 
 

And if it needs reminding, we still spent a fortune. 
 

There’s absolutely no way any fan would have said fair enough if someone had told them where we’d be come this stage of the season, and the results that got us there. 
 

The questions are simple.

 

Was the summer a collective mess? Yes. 

 

Is Eddie Howe currently underperforming? Yes. 
 

Both are true, yet the hardcore Eddie followers on here treat even the slightest criticism like a character assassination. 

 

 

 

 

 

Every game?

 

We nearly reached a cup final again only to be KO’d by the winners in the SF’s.

 

Went further in the FA Cup that we usually do as a club despite unfavourable draws only to KO’d out by the likely winners.

 

Reached last 16 of UCL despite having statistically the top 4th hardest draw.

 

All this that accumulates into more games, more physical and mental fatigue as well as injuries whilst providing less time to prepare and train for the next game.

 

Not saying EH hasn’t made mistakes but ALL managers do throughout a season so it’s almost irrelevant as there is no perfect manager. It really usually comes down to squad size and quality end of the day/season.

 

Considering we’ve not had a CF all season after selling the two we had I’m impressed we’ve done as well as we have. 
 

Yes we’ve lost too many games but majority have been tight affairs due to some small margins and bad player decisions in the final third.

 

The only teams/games this season that I’ve felt we’ve not been in are the usual fixtures at the usual venues.

 

Our problem has been very simple all season. We struggle to get the 2nd goal in games. Usually what CF can do for you. Achieve that and then the team relaxes and plays good football and the outlook is completely different on the season. 
 

Fix that and we will be back on track 26/27.

 

 

[Whitley mag]

Big mistake in my opinion, I’m hoping Kennedy has got this wrong.

 

I don’t see how if this run of results and performances continue for the rest of season, we can just say go again Eddie, I think this ends very badly early next season and we’ll be right in the shite.

[Stuy_O]

For every game read most. Just a personal view, but I think a good 3/4’s of our games we’ve been either all over place defensively or really poor the other way. 

But I’ll take all your points on board regarding tight games and individual mistakes. All true. 
 

And yes all managers make mistakes, and they all get called out for them. He’s not immune from criticism, and I speak as someone who thinks he’s the one of the best in our history. 
 

 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

I do think it would be nice if a club didn’t just push the sack manager button and instead try to work to improve the overall situation. 
 

And it would be impressive by Howe to work well with Wilson and co and make exciting signings this summer. 

[Wallsendmag]

If he stays and things are the same going into the end of September expect things to turn pretty toxic. When you're paying around £1k for a season ticket, as they charge nowadays, people won't put up with another season of turgid shit. When the club are demanding that you pay the sort of prices that they are charging, being at least entertained is minimum requirement.

[Earp]

31 minutes ago, Stuy_O said:

How on earth is it crazy? 
 

How many times does this need to be addressed? Most people acknowledge the summer was a shit show, but you can’t just point to that as the be all and end all reason as to what we’re seeing every game, particularly these last few games, when the wheels have completely fallen off. 
 

And if it needs reminding, we still spent a fortune. 
 

There’s absolutely no way any fan would have said fair enough if someone had told them where we’d be come this stage of the season, and the results that got us there. 
 

The questions are simple.

 

Was the summer a collective mess? Yes. 

 

Is Eddie Howe currently underperforming? Yes. 
 

Both are true, yet the hardcore Eddie followers on here treat even the slightest criticism like a character assassination. 

 

 

 

 

 

I recall most people ended up being happy with the transfer window comprising Wolte, Wissa, Ramsay and Elanga.

 

Hindsight is a wonderful thing

 

 

[SUPERTOON]

9 minutes ago, LFEE said:

Every game?

 

We nearly reached a cup final again only to be KO’d by the winners in the SF’s.

 

Went further in the FA Cup that we usually do as a club despite unfavourable draws only to KO’d out by the likely winners.

 

Reached last 16 of UCL despite having statistically the top 4th hardest draw.

 

All this that accumulates into more games, more physical and mental fatigue as well as injuries whilst providing less time to prepare and train for the next game.

 

Not saying EH hasn’t made mistakes but ALL managers do throughout a season so it’s almost irrelevant as there is no perfect manager. It really usually comes down to squad size and quality end of the day/season.

 

Considering we’ve not had a CF all season after selling the two we had I’m impressed we’ve done as well as we have. 
 

Yes we’ve lost too many games but majority have been tight affairs due to some small margins and bad player decisions in the final third.

 

The only teams/games this season that I’ve felt we’ve not been in are the usual fixtures at the usual venues.

 

Our problem has been very simple all season. We struggle to get the 2nd goal in games. Usually what CF can do for you. Achieve that and then the team relaxes and plays good football and the outlook is completely different on the season. 
 

Fix that and we will be back on track 26/27.

 

 

Quite a simplistic view about our form imo, i'd argue we haven't played well for a full 90 minutes this season in the league. 

[SUPERTOON]

Just now, Earp said:

I recall most people ended up being happy with the transfer window comprising Wolte, Wissa, Ramsay and Elanga.

 

Hindsight is a wonderful thing

 

 

I don't think they did tbf, it was more just relief we got anyone in. 

[Kid Icarus]

4 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said:

I don't think they did tbf, it was more just relief we got anyone in. 

[bobbydazzla]

21 minutes ago, LFEE said:

Every game?

 

We nearly reached a cup final again only to be KO’d by the winners in the SF’s.

 

Went further in the FA Cup that we usually do as a club despite unfavourable draws only to KO’d out by the likely winners.

 

Reached last 16 of UCL despite having statistically the top 4th hardest draw.

 

All this that accumulates into more games, more physical and mental fatigue as well as injuries whilst providing less time to prepare and train for the next game.

 

Not saying EH hasn’t made mistakes but ALL managers do throughout a season so it’s almost irrelevant as there is no perfect manager. It really usually comes down to squad size and quality end of the day/season.

 

Considering we’ve not had a CF all season after selling the two we had I’m impressed we’ve done as well as we have. 
 

Yes we’ve lost too many games but majority have been tight affairs due to some small margins and bad player decisions in the final third.

 

The only teams/games this season that I’ve felt we’ve not been in are the usual fixtures at the usual venues.

 

Our problem has been very simple all season. We struggle to get the 2nd goal in games. Usually what CF can do for you. Achieve that and then the team relaxes and plays good football and the outlook is completely different on the season. 
 

Fix that and we will be back on track 26/27.

 

 

I’d say us being weak as piss at defending and unable to prevent teams from scoring against us is a bigger problem than finding the 2nd goal.

 

They’re both big problems though, obvz.

[Stuy_O]

39 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

 

I think you might have made this up.

I wouldn’t be so sure mind. I’m sure I saw someone being called a stain on football for wanting Eddie Howe out 😂

[The Prophet]

1 minute ago, Stuy_O said:

I wouldn’t be so sure mind. I’m sure I saw someone being called a stain on football for wanting Eddie Howe out 😂

 

This tickled me more than it should have

[J7]

37 minutes ago, LFEE said:

Every game?

 

We nearly reached a cup final again only to be KO’d by the winners in the SF’s.

 

Went further in the FA Cup that we usually do as a club despite unfavourable draws only to KO’d out by the likely winners.

 

Reached last 16 of UCL despite having statistically the top 4th hardest draw.

 

All this that accumulates into more games, more physical and mental fatigue as well as injuries whilst providing less time to prepare and train for the next game.

 

Not saying EH hasn’t made mistakes but ALL managers do throughout a season so it’s almost irrelevant as there is no perfect manager. It really usually comes down to squad size and quality end of the day/season.

 

Considering we’ve not had a CF all season after selling the two we had I’m impressed we’ve done as well as we have. 
 

Yes we’ve lost too many games but majority have been tight affairs due to some small margins and bad player decisions in the final third.

 

The only teams/games this season that I’ve felt we’ve not been in are the usual fixtures at the usual venues.

 

Our problem has been very simple all season. We struggle to get the 2nd goal in games. Usually what CF can do for you. Achieve that and then the team relaxes and plays good football and the outlook is completely different on the season. 
 

Fix that and we will be back on track 26/27.

 

 

That’s the kind of turd polishing that saw people gushing that we played well at Anfield for half an hour. ‘Impressed we’ve done as well as we have’. Give over.

 

 

Edited April 21 by J7

[SUPERTOON]

16 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

So a 50/50 split really then ? Unless we class 6 as being happy ?

[LFEE]

2 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said:

Quite a simplistic view about our form imo, i'd argue we haven't played well for a full 90 minutes this season in the league. 

Football is quite simple though. Name a home game in the league we’ve took an early 2 goal lead? Longest we’ve had was Burnley for a full second half. The other games Forest with us not scoring until last 5mins and Palace in the 78th minute. 
 

Chelsea would be the best game to stand up your argument so let’s look at that game in isolation. Nic misses a great chance to make it 3-0 on HT with team full of confidence. Second half Chelsea get a FK that wasn’t first minutes and score it and game completely changes. Thats football. Sometimes it’s no bigger than that.

 

You could argue this season we’ve played to try and conserve physical energy at times due to all the extra games leading us to expand more mental energy perhaps. Nothing that can’t be learned from but doesn’t help you lose a load of key players at key times. 

Give him 26/27. If it’s not clicking come Xmas he’ll work with the club and walk himself. 
 

 

 

 

[Kid Icarus]

3 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said:

So a 50/50 split really then ? Unless we class 6 as being happy ?

I mean almost 50% are in 7 and 8 alone. FWIW I do think the relief was part of it like, but also the perception that we landed on our feet in the end (especially with Woltemade) 

 

 

Edited April 21 by Kid Icarus

[J7]

If he’s going to stay, given we have nothing to play for now, I’d like to see at least some evidence before the end of the season of what he is going to change to have us moving forward again. 
 

If it’s just going to be more of the same tired 433, hoping we’re playing with enough intensity and pressing to do anything, then I’ll have no confidence for this summer. My fear is that this ‘rebuild’ will just be trying to find new players to fit the same system Howe seems wedded to.