Eddie Howe

[TheBrownBottle]

13 minutes ago, LFEE said:

Par with a CEO and DOF on our current wage bill is 8th.

 

Not sure how winning a cup and finishing 5th is below par last season

 

His full season record is 4th, 7th and 5th and his cup record by and large been brilliant with 2 Finals and 1 QF (which was seconds away from a SF against Boro so likely final) and another SF losing to the winners. We’ve only been KO’d by Man City in the FA CUP last two seasons. Shef Wed his only full season blemish and that was due to wasteful finishing second half.

 

Apart from one half against Barcelona we’ve not been disgraced in any European game and if my memory serves me right we are the only English team PSG haven’t beaten and if it wasn’t for two of the worst penalty decisions I’ve seen we might’ve beaten them 3/3 at least 2/3.

 

This league campaign has been the ONLY under performance AS IT STANDS. We’ve five game to go to make final judgments on it. 
 

Currently we are 6 points behind Brentford despite them taking 6 of us. 4 behind Sunderland despite them taking 6 of us. 3 points behind Fulham with us still to play them. 5 points behind Everton and 6 behind Bournemouth. They’ve hardly ran miles ahead of us despite NONE of them doing well in the cups or having European games.

 

You do when your club and squad had no investment or serious direction for 13yrs or whatever it was. It’s chicken feed compared to the money the others have spent, usually whilst retaining their best players.

Our wage bill isn’t 8th, it’s 7th.  

[DC Magpie]

11 minutes ago, Mikky said:

So going into the summer - what do you think we need in terms of personnel to change things? Honest question …

 

And who goes?

 

 

 

 

Tonali, Wissa, Gordon, Trippier, Ramsdale, A Murphy, Krafth, Willock, Murphy, Ruddy. That's a lot to replace but it provides a good opportunity to improve and get younger. I just fear we're going to recruit an Olympic track team and not proper technical footballers.

 

I think Livro's fragility prevents us from getting a decent fee for him, so he stays and pouts for another year (and yes, I know he's English).

 

 

Wissa may be hard to move given the financial hit, but I think he's a moron on top of being a shit player, and we just need to get him out of here - maybe on loan if that's even possible (I have no idea). 

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

If Howe stays, and it’s still an if at this stage as I am not sure whether those Geordie journo lads have the best sources, the first signing will be very telling. 
 

If it’s a Connor Gallagher or Liam Delap it will be clear Howe hasn’t learnt anything. 

 

 

Edited April 21 by Jesse Pinkman

[LFEE]

1 minute ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Our wage bill isn’t 8th, it’s 7th.  

Last time I read it was 8th… if it’s 7th then so be it. He’s still not finished below par in a full league season with this possibly his first and 6 points from 6th and no Europe or two great cup runs he’d of likely done it again.

 

What is the top 8 wages out of interest?

 

Man City

Man Utd

Liverpool 

Arsenal

Chelsea

Villa 
 

I had all above us with West Ham and Spurs practically on par with us?

 

 

 

 

[TheBrownBottle]

4 minutes ago, LFEE said:

Last time I read it was 8th… if it’s 7th then so be it. He’s still not finished below par in a full league season with this possibly his first and 6 points from 6th and no Europe or two great cup runs he’d of likely done it again.

 

What is the top 8 wages out of interest?

 

Man City

Man Utd

Liverpool 

Arsenal

Chelsea

Villa 
 

I had all above us with West Ham and Spurs practically on par with us?

 

 

 

 

We’re above Villa, Spurs are above us in 6th

 

Villa managed par with us last season with CL (and went further in that competition than us).  Last I checked they’re still in Europe.

 

Palace are still in Europe and above us.  
 

There are no excuses for the dire performances in the league this season given the resources available.  And if we need to be out of Europe for Howe to cope, he shouldn’t be here.  

[Chicken Dancer]

2 minutes ago, LFEE said:

6 points from 6th and no Europe or two great cup runs he’d of likely done it again

Do you genuinely believe this? Not a pop but say we have a cracking season next year and qualify for Europe for 27/28, would we be wise to fuck the cups off and expect a shit season in the league because we’re in Europe?

 

I’m not sure that would be the best approach at all. We need to be able to manage Europe without it resulting in a season like this in the future.

 

Being more savvy in the transfer market is the ticket. 

[The Prophet]

Surely we won't know this years wage bill until next year's accounts?

[Whitley mag]

29 minutes ago, KetteringMag said:

A lot of ‘as it stands’ in these statements , not sure that support will be so rubber tight if we lose our last 5 in all honesty 

It will be untenable if he loses the last 5 games, apart from Gordon who are these bad eggs we’re meant to be getting rid of is my question?

 

Apparently Botman was supportive of Isak’s stance last summer, are we getting rid of him after signing a new contract, is he now a bad egg that we can’t win a game to save our life’s?

 

I’m also interested in how we are funding this huge rebuild, of a squad that this manager built by the way? We are due a UEFA fine, have no European football next season to attract players and it’s a World Cup year.

 

The project is on its knees and needs a shot in the arm, sticking with Howe after losing another 5 on the spin would be unprecedented and I think would put us in serious relegation danger next season. 
 

PIF, Hopkinson and Wilson are asleep at the wheel if he’s still in charge after losing next 5.

 

 

 

Edited April 21 by Whitley mag

[LFEE]

1 minute ago, TheBrownBottle said:

We’re above Villa, Spurs are above us in 6th

 

Villa managed par with us last season with CL (and went further in that competition than us).  Last I checked they’re still in Europe.

 

Palace are still in Europe and above us.  
 

There are no excuses for the dire performances in the league this season given the resources available.  And if we need to be out of Europe for Howe to cope, he shouldn’t be here.  

Not particularly that interested in arguing over a position but these have us 8th as have other articles in the past.

 

https://www.capology.com/uk/premier-league/payrolls/

 

Different level of Europe. How did Palace do in the Carabao this season? Or FA Cup defending their trophy?

[TheBrownBottle]

4 minutes ago, LFEE said:

Not particularly that interested in arguing over a position but these have us 8th as have other articles in the past.

 

https://www.capology.com/uk/premier-league/payrolls/

 

Different level of Europe. How did Palace do in the Carabao this season? Or FA Cup defending their trophy?

Yes, because the articles are based on accounts from a season or more ago.  Last summers’ spend took our salary bill above Villa’s, as well as meaning Howe has spent around ten times that of Emery on transfers.  
 

Palace shouldn’t even be in the conversation, really - but they coped reasonably well against us when they had to rest their key players after playing TWO days earlier in Europe, with us having a three week rest.

 

I just wish I had a job where I had zero accountability like the manager of NUFC seems to have these days.  To blame for nothing, at credit for everything. 

[huss9]

i see Bournemouth have already sorted themselves out for next season.

 

but just you wait till our dynamic board and owners have done their end of season review. should be done by about the end of july i think.

 

[Erikse]

25 minutes ago, LFEE said:

Last time I read it was 8th… if it’s 7th then so be it. He’s still not finished below par in a full league season with this possibly his first and 6 points from 6th and no Europe or two great cup runs he’d of likely done it again.

 

What is the top 8 wages out of interest?

 

Man City

Man Utd

Liverpool 

Arsenal

Chelsea

Villa 
 

I had all above us with West Ham and Spurs practically on par with us?

 

 

 

 

 

6 points of 6th has very little to do with how well we've done. Rosenior destroying Chelsea has nothing to do with Howe. 6th place being 9 points lower than last season (and way lower than just about any season) has nothing to do with us.

[Ronson333]

26 minutes ago, Chicken Dancer said:

Do you genuinely believe this? Not a pop but say we have a cracking season next year and qualify for Europe for 27/28, would we be wise to fuck the cups off and expect a shit season in the league because we’re in Europe?

 

I’m not sure that would be the best approach at all. We need to be able to manage Europe without it resulting in a season like this in the future.

 

Being more savvy in the transfer market is the ticket. 

To manage Europe he needs to rotate his squad more, not play a first 11 against Quarbag when we’re 6-1 from the first leg.

[LFEE]

 

[Chicken Dancer]

Just now, Ronson333 said:

To manage Europe he needs to rotate his squad more, not play a first 11 against Quarbag when we’re 6-1 from the first leg.

Agree with that. Also need to fill the squad with younger players from cheaper markets to give us more variance and fresher legs. 
 

I hate to say it but the mackems are a pretty decent example. Would Sadiki or Taibi have had us licking our lips? I doubt it. Would they have contributed as much (it’s more) than Ramsey and Elanga have for us at a fraction of the cost? Yes.

[Super Duper Branko Strupar]

29 minutes ago, Whitley mag said:

The project is on its knees and needs a shot in the arm

 

"The project" could do with getting more right than just appointing Howe, then. 

[Menace]

4 minutes ago, LFEE said:

 

 

- Spent £250M on players who haven't improved the first team

- Got beat home and away by recently promoted rivals

- Still yet to adjust or tweak his 4-3-3

- Cliche answers every week after a loss

- Devout of any ideas

- Looks burnt out

- Mismanaged one of our most expensive signings of all time

 

See how this works?

[J7]

11 minutes ago, Erikse said:

 

6 points of 6th has very little to do with how well we've done. Rosenior destroying Chelsea has nothing to do with Howe. 6th place being 9 points lower than last season (and way lower than just about any season) has nothing to do with us.

It’s the same with overplaying 5th, when both Man Utd and Spurs were a shambles, and Champions League quarter finalists finished level with us. Anything lower would have been a failure.

[Ben]

1 minute ago, Menace said:

 

- Spent £250M on players who haven't improved the first team

- Got beat home and away by recently promoted rivals

- Still yet to adjust or tweak his 4-3-3

- Cliche answers every week after a loss

- Devout of any ideas

- Looks burnt out

- Mismanaged one of our most expensive signings of all time

 

See how this works?

 

You really dont like Howe do you ?

[Whitley mag]

1 minute ago, Super Duper Branko Strupar said:

 

"The project" could do with getting more right than just appointing Howe, then. 

The project has gone stale like the manager, but backing the manager with 750 million to spend over his tenure is one thing nobody can criticise them for.

[Menace]

2 minutes ago, Ben said:

 

You really dont like Howe do you ?

 

Was singing his praises all last season so not really true. The last year or so we have been absolutely awful and he's definitely at a revolving door moment - managers have been sacked for less so I'm not buying that tweet at all.

[Super Duper Branko Strupar]

Just now, Whitley mag said:

The project has gone stale like the manager, but backing the manager with 750 million to spend over his tenure is one thing nobody can criticise them for.

 

You say 750m as if it's not small fry over 5 years in the PL in the 2020s and we havent had loads of windows with no spending or other investment. No training pitch, no ground plans, slow work in getting sponsors in, poor decisions in upper management. "The project" has barely got off the ground and I doubt it ever will with these owners. Howe's had a bad season but lets not apportion blame to him where its not deserved. The shot in the arm we need more than a new manager is owners who work harder.

[TRon]

3 minutes ago, Whitley mag said:

The project has gone stale like the manager, but backing the manager with 750 million to spend over his tenure is one thing nobody can criticise them for.

 

I'm not sure there's anyone at the club who is capable of making a decision tbh, it feels like we would continue with Howe just because we don't really have any idea what else to do. 

[Stuy_O]

1 hour ago, LFEE said:

Par with a CEO and DOF on our current wage bill is 8th.

 

Not sure how winning a cup and finishing 5th is below par last season

 

His full season record is 4th, 7th and 5th and his cup record by and large been brilliant with 2 Finals and 1 QF (which was seconds away from a SF against Boro so likely final) and another SF losing to the winners. We’ve only been KO’d by Man City in the FA CUP last two seasons. Shef Wed his only full season blemish and that was due to wasteful finishing second half.

 

Apart from one half against Barcelona we’ve not been disgraced in any European game and if my memory serves me right we are the only English team PSG haven’t beaten and if it wasn’t for two of the worst penalty decisions I’ve seen we might’ve beaten them 3/3 at least 2/3.

 

This league campaign has been the ONLY under performance AS IT STANDS. We’ve five game to go to make final judgments on it. 
 

Currently we are 6 points behind Brentford despite them taking 6 of us. 4 behind Sunderland despite them taking 6 of us. 3 points behind Fulham with us still to play them. 5 points behind Everton and 6 behind Bournemouth. They’ve hardly ran miles ahead of us despite NONE of them doing well in the cups or having European games.

 

You do when your club and squad had no investment or serious direction for 13yrs or whatever it was. It’s chicken feed compared to the money the others have spent, usuallhilst retaining their best players.

 

You do make some fair points. 

 

I'd answer back by saying we need to see something from the manager now in the remaining games that will suggest he's adaptable or has another string to his bow. Because the football we play is absolutely shocking and thats where the fans are scratching their heads. At what point can criticism of his tactics become valid, when he plays 4-3-3 every week which has been totally stunted by the opposition. 

 

The bigger context is always relevant, but the here and now also. 

 

All the talk was of renewed energy due to plenty of training time now we're out of Europe, then the talk was of a response after the Sunderland defeat was bound to come. Neither has happened? Why? Because of a boardroom fallout over summer? Not having that sorry. 

 

 

 

 

[LFEE]

1 minute ago, Menace said:

 

- Spent £250M on players who haven't improved the first team

- Got beat home and away by recently promoted rivals

- Still yet to adjust or tweak his 4-3-3

- Cliche answers every week after a loss

- Devout of any ideas

- Looks burnt out

- Mismanaged one of our most expensive signings of all time

 

See how this works?

Had to sell our best player for £130m and spent sold others for £50m so spend £70m on trying to salvage the season ahead being in 4 competitions.

 

Nearly did that against Luton.

 

Adjusted and tweaked his 4-3-3 when losing his 3 main midfielders for long spells and blamed for it.

 

Limited options off the bench but his latest plan with Osula has him 2 goals in 2 games after recovering from a bad ankle injury.

 

Has protected one of our most expensive signings when fans lost patience with him and started to give him abuse in game and slowly introduce him into a different role in an attempt to change things whilst protect him.