Eddie Howe

[TheEntertainer]

29 minutes ago, Mills and Boon said:

 

That doesn't make much sense to me. People aren't burying their head in the sand because they disagree that sacking the manager is the answer to our problems, no matter how you're using the phrase

You've made this a personal argument by the way you've talked about the mental fragility of the people who think Howe should be replaced. Just accept other people have a different opinion than you which doesn't make them less of a person or a fan or a mentally strong person or whatever it is you think. It's just a different opinion which is great. Differing opinions are incredibly important for a healthy, high performing society, it everyone thought the same way life would not only be pretty boring, but we'd never try anything new. I'm not a fan of the way the argument has now swung back round to the failings of the Howe in crowd either. I'm Howe out, but I fully respect the other sides opinion on that and don't think they're lesser than me in any way just because they think differently about something. Diversity of thought is strength not weakness. 

 

I always find when people start resorting to insults, they're losing an argument. 

[Newcastle Fan]

i've been on this forum so long i rememebr when we used to have full on debate wars for weeks over Albert Luque  ffs, now the minute someone offers a different opinion people get upset and offended and resort to have a go, it's a symptom of wider society getting more polarized i guess.

 

the whole purpose of a  forum is that people can voice different opinions and discuss it with fellow fans, we all want the same thing in the end which is for our club to be at the top right?

[The College Dropout]

3 hours ago, r0cafella said:

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/7239771/2026/04/30/newcastle-data-eddie-howe-analysis/

 

For the nerds. 

Overall point here is that we’ve been poor in both boxes. Which is a transfer issue imo.  
 

The worst thing about everything is the performances have got worse and worse, no new ideas.  

[The Prophet]

Just now, The College Dropout said:

Overall point here is that we’ve been poor in both boxes. Which is a transfer issue imo.  
 

The worst thing about everything is the performances have got worse and worse, no new ideas.  

 

Didn't need an essay from the Athletic to tell us that (not a dig at you, just Waugh being Waugh).

[r0cafella]

2 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

Overall point here is that we’ve been poor in both boxes. Which is a transfer issue imo.  
 

The worst thing about everything is the performances have got worse and worse, no new ideas.  

I actually think that's dangerous thinking. Anyone who's watched us play this season know our issues are deeper than poor goal keeping/finishing. 

[Mills and Boon]

14 minutes ago, TheEntertainer said:

You've made this a personal argument by the way you've talked about the mental fragility of the people who think Howe should be replaced. Just accept other people have a different opinion than you which doesn't make them less of a person or a fan or a mentally strong person or whatever it is you think. It's just a different opinion which is great. Differing opinions are incredibly important for a healthy, high performing society, it everyone thought the same way life would not only be pretty boring, but we'd never try anything new. I'm not a fan of the way the argument has now swung back round to the failings of the Howe in crowd either. I'm Howe out, but I fully respect the other sides opinion on that and don't think they're lesser than me in any way just because they think differently about something. Diversity of thought is strength not weakness. 

 

I always find when people start resorting to insults, they're losing an argument. 

 

Obviously you've not read my post where I clearly pointed out that I don't think less of people who want Howe out, and said it's actually the "Howe FC" shouts which are making out that you're a lesser fan if you don't want the manager sacked. Where do you stand on people saying anyone supporting the manager is burying their head in the sand by the way?

 

I'm guessing regarding the mentally fragile stuff you're on about me saying people crumble when seeing a team sheet? I'm sorry like but if you're going to say stuff like "this lineup is so bad even if we win it's bad for us because he'll use it for the next game" then there's definitely something going on with their perspective. I hope we win regardless of whether I agree with the lineup or not. Maybe that's just me

[bobbydazzla]

54 minutes ago, Mills and Boon said:

 

That doesn't make much sense to me. People aren't burying their head in the sand because they disagree that sacking the manager is the answer to our problems, no matter how you're using the phrase

 

I'm on about the people who've been saying "he'll turn it around when Wissa comes back, when Elanga gets going, when the fixture congestion eases, when he has a summer transfer window etc etc etc".

 

Their belief is that a mitigating circumstance being resolved, will improve our performances. And as each mitigating circumstance is resolved, our performances haven't improved. We're still making the same knucklehead mistakes that we've been making all season.

 

So for many people they now think there's a decent chance that Eddie is actually the problem, not the mitigating circumstances.

 

 

 

Edited April 30 by bobbydazzla

[Mills and Boon]

7 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

I actually think that's dangerous thinking. Anyone who's watched us play this season know our issues are deeper than poor goal keeping/finishing. 

 

They're the major issues though. A few more clean sheets and a few more in the other end and it's a far rosier picture 

[r0cafella]

Just now, Mills and Boon said:

 

They're the major issues though. A few more clean sheets and a few more in the other end and it's a far rosier picture 

They are issues for Sure but again anyone who's watched us know that those 3 year old wide attacking patterns are stale. The face we can't progress the ball centrally is another issue. 

 

Let's not forget about those wingers either. 

[TheEntertainer]

13 hours ago, Mills and Boon said:

 

Dunno about that mind. I've a lot more time for people looking at positives, reacting rationally and taking a rough patch in their stride than I have for the folk bumping this thread the instant we concede a goal.

 

That's what being a fan is about, taking the bad times with the good. Not spitting the dummy on the Internet at the earliest opportunity, getting proven wrong by the manager and the lads and then grinding your axe for the rest of his tenure, letting everyone know you've got a massive chip on your shoulder 

This is the one I was thinking of, but there may have been others, I'm not completely up to date with the thread

[The College Dropout]

12 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

I actually think that's dangerous thinking. Anyone who's watched us play this season know our issues are deeper than poor goal keeping/finishing. 

I think it's a massive contributor.

 

There are other issues but all football managers have issues. They are bolded when the team doesn't get results and doesn't perform. We aren't going to get a new manager that has all of Howe's strengths and none of his weaknesses.

 

The team have fallen off a cliff mentally since Barca. There were positives at times to work with prior.

[Mills and Boon]

1 minute ago, TheEntertainer said:

This is the one I was thinking of, but there may have been others, I'm not completely up to date with the thread

 

That's not implying mental frailty. It was in a discussion around point scoring and people who were cold on Howe from the start itching for something to go tits up so they can say "see, I was right all along".

 

He proved a few wrong last season and they didn't like it

[TheEntertainer]

Just now, The College Dropout said:

I think it's a massive contributor.

 

There are other issues but all football managers have issues. They are bolded when the team doesn't get results and doesn't perform. We aren't going to get a new manager that has all of Howe's strengths and none of his weaknesses.

 

The team have fallen off a cliff mentally since Barca. There were positives at times to work with prior.

I do think one of the major issues is the quality of the chances we have been giving up this season, I've seen the keepers given a lot of stick, but every game we seem to allow at least one chance from 2 or 3 yards out. 

[TheEntertainer]

1 minute ago, Mills and Boon said:

 

That's not implying mental frailty. It was in a discussion around point scoring and people who were cold on Howe from the start itching for something to go tits up so they can say "see, I was right all along".

 

He proved a few wrong last season and they didn't like it

My mistake then, I took irrationality, spitting the dummy and having a chip on your shoulder as suggestions of mental fragility but I don't want to put words in your mouth. 

[TRon]

49 minutes ago, Froggy said:

Here's a genuine question, mainly aimed at the Howe out folk...

 

Do you think he would thrive in a structure like Man City where the executives handle the major strategic decisions and recruitment is highly data driven to bring in players to fit his tactical style and system? A lot of the criticism around Howe seems to stem from the perception that he has too much control over transfers and key decisions, so I'm genuinely curious how people would think he would do in that sort of setup. 

 

 

We might find out next season. I do wonder if his system isn't the problem and it's just the players aren't good enough. But on the other hand, he always seems reactive, slow to make changes when it's not working, and doesn't seem to be able to adapt to the players he's got. Most of which were his choices in the first place. 

[Mills and Boon]

Just now, TheEntertainer said:

My mistake then, I took irrationality, spitting the dummy and having a chip on your shoulder as suggestions of mental fragility but I don't want to put words in your mouth. 

 

Nah. It's more them wanting to be right and being a bit stubborn about it.

 

I'll be the same if Howe gets sacked and someone I don't want like Jose comes in and makes the place toxic

[The College Dropout]

8 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

 

We might find out next season. I do wonder if his system isn't the problem and it's just the players aren't good enough. But on the other hand, he always seems reactive, slow to make changes when it's not working, and doesn't seem to be able to adapt to the players he's got. Most of which were his choices in the first place. 

He's always done this though. Chris Wood was a perfectly viable PL striker, Howe couldn't get a tune out of him. Much better overall track record than Wissa btw.

 

This is my issue with this board with a lot of people (not saying you Tron). When things are good - everything is perfect and the manager can't be questioned. When things are bad - everything is bad and he must go.

[Pilko]

13 minutes ago, Mills and Boon said:

 

They're the major issues though. A few more clean sheets and a few more in the other end and it's a far rosier picture 

 

A few more? We're at 1 in 20, about half a season's worth of games. It's like saying they could have done with a few more lifeboats on the Titanic.

[bobbydazzla]

1 hour ago, Froggy said:

Here's a genuine question, mainly aimed at the Howe out folk...

 

Do you think he would thrive in a structure like Man City where the executives handle the major strategic decisions and recruitment is highly data driven to bring in players to fit his tactical style and system? A lot of the criticism around Howe seems to stem from the perception that he has too much control over transfers and key decisions, so I'm genuinely curious how people would think he would do in that sort of setup. 

 

Our resident Bournemouth fan told us that his time with them indicated that Howe is a control freak. And ultimately that was one of the reasons it fell apart for him there.

 

We're seeing something similar here. Although there's differing viewpoints on whether he's deliberately engineered the level of control he was able to get, or he was just reacting to the circumstances.

 

He clearly puts a lot of emphasis on the "known" - same back room team at both clubs, preferring to bed in new players over many months if he can, playing the declining players he feels he trusts, having a Plan A but no Plan B etc.

 

There's no doubt he's incredibly meticulous, but in my opinion the negative knock on effect is that he appears to have a low threshold for taking risks (in the context of top flight football).

 

So no, I don't think he'd fit well in a Man City structure given the lack of control he'd have, unless he was dramatically able to change his preferred ways of working.

 

 

 

Edited April 30 by bobbydazzla

[TRon]

15 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

He's always done this though. Chris Wood was a perfectly viable PL striker, Howe couldn't get a tune out of him. Much better overall track record than Wissa btw.

 

This is my issue with this board with a lot of people (not saying you Tron). When things are good - everything is perfect and the manager can't be questioned. When things are bad - everything is bad and he must go.

 

There's always going to be people who view things differently. I tend to look at the direction. If it looks like there is progression then I don't mind taking one step back to take two steps forward. 

 

It's possible that a new bunch of players could make all the difference in the world. But I just don't think Howe has made the best of the ones we have here this season. It might have required a change in style, but he seems wedded to his 4-3-3, and we don't have the players for it this season. 

[Mills and Boon]

27 minutes ago, Pilko said:

 

A few more? We're at 1 in 20, about half a season's worth of games. It's like saying they could have done with a few more lifeboats on the Titanic.

 

Exactly. A few more clean sheets over the season so far, 9 more points, and we're 6th in the table. That's a rosier picture, innit?

 

We're decent on xGA and below par on save percentage this season. Our keepers are definitely a weak link. Pope used to be reliable but has lost something since the shoulder injury. Ramsdale has never convinced me

[AyeDubbleYoo]

40 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said:

 

Our resident Bournemouth fan told us that his time with them indicated that Howe is a control freak. And ultimately that was one of the reasons it fell apart for him there.

 

 

He's a professional football manager, of course he's a control freak. And he's obsessive about his work. 

 

At Bournemouth he was working with a skeleton infrastructure in a club that was on the verge of imploding. You could argue very similar since he came here, the full infrastructure around him has never been in place.

 

I feel like Howe is smart enough to see this summer as an opportunity to have some of that burden lifted, received some fresh faces and younger players and really get back to what he does best. We'll see. 

[bobbydazzla]

12 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

 

He's a professional football manager, of course he's a control freak. And he's obsessive about his work. 

 

At Bournemouth he was working with a skeleton infrastructure in a club that was on the verge of imploding. You could argue very similar since he came here, the full infrastructure around him has never been in place.

 

I feel like Howe is smart enough to see this summer as an opportunity to have some of that burden lifted, received some fresh faces and younger players and really get back to what he does best. We'll see. 

 

The question was would Howe be able to work in a Man City environment, where he can't control all aspects of the footballing side of the club.

 

A manager being a control freak about tactics and selection and training is very different to wanting to control all aspects of the football operations. Which is what he had at Bournemouth and what he's had here (possibly through necessity, but also possibly by his own design and internal power plays).

 

 

 

 

Edited April 30 by bobbydazzla

[AyeDubbleYoo]

2 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said:

 

The question was would Howe be able to work in a Man City environment, where he can't control all aspects of the footballing side of the club.

 

A manager being a control freak about tactics and selection and training is very different to wanting to control all aspects of the football operations. Which is what he had at Bournemouth and what he's had here (possibly through necessity, but also possibly by his own design and internal power plays).

 

 

I think he definitely could. I believe the amount of involvement he’s had here is mainly to do with the lack of support around him. 
 

Also obviously it’s easier to accept whatever players Man City sign for you because you have loads of money and you basically know they’re going to be class. I imagine. 

[The Prophet]

Is there any evidence to suggest that Howe controls all aspects of our football operations though?