Eddie Howe

[Cheshire Mag]

2 minutes ago, Shadow Puppets said:

I’m not willing to lay the blame solely at Eddie’s door for last summer’s window like. You can paint your agenda that way if you want, but if you have no structure in place to go out and get the players that were much higher on the list, what do you expect.

 

The owners should take far more responsibility for that.

 

(Eddie’s not blameless of course, but 90% of his transfers in his tenure have been outstanding… there’s no reason why we can’t move forward with another good run of transfers)

Can’t be laid solely at his door, I agree, but when he’s got his nephew in charge of transfers over the summer, I don’t believe for one second he hasn’t pushed those players to be signed and he’s not signed off on them. That was the shitshow of the window, but you have to work with the structure you have.

 

The facts are, he’s got the players to play different systems, but won’t. If he’s going to go down the 433 only route, he needs to make sure it works and we get positive results over the season, he hasn’t and it hasn’t. He’s only himself to blame for the position the club and himself finds itself in.

 

Theres nothing on show that says, it will be different next season. Another season of 433, putting square pegs in round holes etc.

 

We will probably improve next season, as it’s been shown with a season on and season off in Europe over his tenure. Is that what we expect to be now? Good season followed by bad season? But give him next season, it’ll be better once he signs the players he wants/has the correct infrastructure above him/has more time on the training ground.

 

If he stays, bet we’re having this exact conversation in 2 years time. I just want my club to push on and be the best it can, I don’t think it can be under Howe, unfortunately.

[Shadow Puppets]

2 minutes ago, Gawalls said:

Also proven time and time again that he can't juggle a season and the prem

Time and time again?

 

The first season in the Champions League we finished 8th, and clearly had nowhere near the size of squad to deal with those extra games. 
 

This season has been poor, with plenty of mistakes from the manager and poor performances of the players, but ignoring the main mitigation (losing a world class striker who’s nearly impossible to properly replace) seems blinkered too.

 

I don't understand why people can’t be willing to give a manager as good as Eddie Howe even the chance to put it right in the summer, given everything he’s done for us.

[Wallsendmag]

5 minutes ago, Mills and Boon said:

 

I know. It was a mistake as I've already said

 

One of many. Too many.

[Zero]

1 minute ago, Shadow Puppets said:

What?

 

So you’d prefer that he didn’t change to 4-3-3 to get us the goal?

Yes, a fucking yes. Because the goal is meaningless, we will lose it back. I would rather we use the game time to polish this new setup (4231 or whatever) which could bring us better performance and results.

 

people like you gotta understand one thing - what we wanted most is an answer , a new approach, a glimpse of hope, instead of just 1 goal which might not even guarantee 3 points. 

Eddie got it spot on for 60mins. The double pivot looks fucking solid. I thought we finally got an answer. Then Eddie just made the sub and went back to his glorious Plan A. 
 

So what should we expect for the next game then?

 

[Shadow Puppets]

2 minutes ago, Cheshire Mag said:

Can’t be laid solely at his door, I agree, but when he’s got his nephew in charge of transfers over the summer, I don’t believe for one second he hasn’t pushed those players to be signed and he’s not signed off on them. That was the shitshow of the window, but you have to work with the structure you have.

 

The facts are, he’s got the players to play different systems, but won’t. If he’s going to go down the 433 only route, he needs to make sure it works and we get positive results over the season, he hasn’t and it hasn’t. He’s only himself to blame for the position the club and himself finds itself in.

 

Theres nothing on show that says, it will be different next season. Another season of 433, putting square pegs in round holes etc.

 

We will probably improve next season, as it’s been shown with a season on and season off in Europe over his tenure. Is that what we expect to be now? Good season followed by bad season? But give him next season, it’ll be better once he signs the players he wants/has the correct infrastructure above him/has more time on the training ground.

 

If he stays, bet we’re having this exact conversation in 2 years time. I just want my club to push on and be the best it can, I don’t think it can be under Howe, unfortunately.

Even though it has been literally the best it’s been just a year ago?

[Holmesy]

11 minutes ago, Wallsendmag said:

 

And we wasted 70 million quid on him.

I don’t even think it was money wasted on a poor player. He’s got bags of talent.

 

It was money wasted on a player who can’t fit into Eddie’s one system.

 

Of course some managers would think “I’ll change the system to suit the players I have” but apparently that’s not an option or a managerial capability. 

 

 

Edited May 10 by Holmesy

[Zero]

5 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

It didn’t look like Plan A to me. Has he ever played Woltemade behind a striker before? Or a double pivot midfield. 
 

We had lots of promising attacks, the players just wasted them. 

we went back to plan A after subbing Wolte. 

[Dembacha]

1 minute ago, Zero said:

Yes, a fucking yes. Because the goal is meaningless, we will lose it back. I would rather we use the game time to polish this new setup (4231 or whatever) which could bring us better performance and results.

 

people like you gotta understand one thing - what we wanted most is an answer , a new approach, a glimpse of hope, instead of just 1 goal which might not even guarantee 3 points. 

Eddie got it spot on for 60mins. The double pivot looks fucking solid. I thought we finally got an answer. Then Eddie just made the sub and went back to his glorious Plan A. 
 

So what should we expect for the next game then?

 

[Gawalls]

1 minute ago, Shadow Puppets said:

Time and time again?

 

The first season in the Champions League we finished 8th, and clearly had nowhere near the size of squad to deal with those extra games. 
 

This season has been poor, with plenty of mistakes from the manager and poor performances of the players, but ignoring the main mitigation (losing a world class striker who’s nearly impossible to properly replace) seems blinkered too.

 

I don't understand why people can’t be willing to give a manager as good as Eddie Howe even the chance to put it right in the summer, given everything he’s done for us.

Look, I'm fucking sick too my back teeth of half of us thinking we need a change and the other half defending him to the death, it's every fucking week - think what you like but I'm out.

[Mole]

I can see why you would want to give him a chance given the context but to act like the deterioration of performances across the board since October isn't a massive concern is silly.

 

There's no real evidence to be hopeful outside of what he's done prior to this season, if you can't see why people have little to no confidence in him turning it around you aren't looking hard enough IMO.

[Myleftboot]

Wasn’t much improvement against a relegation team.

[Mills and Boon]

1 minute ago, Holmesy said:

I don’t even think it was money wasted on a poor player. He’s got bags of talent.

 

It was money wasted on a play who can’t fit into Eddie’s one system.

 

Of course some managers would think “I’ll change the system to suit the players I have” but apparently that’s not an option or a managerial capability. 

 

Howe changed the system today to accommodate Wolter and lo and behold, he still looked shite

[Wallsendmag]

2 minutes ago, Holmesy said:

I don’t even think it was money wasted on a poor player. He’s got bags of talent.

 

It was money wasted on a play who can’t fit into Eddie’s one system.

 

Of course some managers would think “I’ll change the system to suit the players I have” but apparently that’s not an option or a managerial capability. 

 

I certainly don't think he's as bad a player as what we're seeing. Seen enough of him in the early days to form that opinion.

[Shadow Puppets]

1 minute ago, Zero said:

Yes, a fucking yes. Because the goal is meaningless, we will lose it back. I would rather we use the game time to polish this new setup (4231 or whatever) which could bring us better performance and results.

 

people like you gotta understand one thing - what we wanted most is an answer , a new approach, a glimpse of hope, instead of just 1 goal which might not even guarantee 3 points. 

Eddie got it spot on for 60mins. The double pivot looks fucking solid. I thought we finally got an answer. Then Eddie just made the sub and went back to his glorious Plan A. 
 

So what should we expect for the next game then?

 

You’ve completely lost me, sorry.

 

So just to clarify, you’d have preferred to have not scored?

 

I’m not sure what game you were watching, but we looked MUCH better from an attacking point of view after the formation change.

 

I agree that it was promising seeing the new system, but you know as well as I that this place would have been (even more) horrific if we’d not have created the two Bruno chances, scored the Barnes goal, hit the bar from the free kick etc. All of which came after the change.

[TRon]

1 minute ago, Myleftboot said:

Wasn’t much improvement against a relegation team.

 

 

A relegation team without their best player and who were playing their 3rd game in 6 days. 

[Shadow Puppets]

1 minute ago, Mole said:

I can see why you would want to give him a chance given the context but to act like the deterioration of performances across the board since October isn't a massive concern is silly.

 

There's no real evidence to be hopeful outside of what he's done prior to this season, if you can't see why people have little to no confidence in him turning it around you aren't looking hard enough IMO.

I absolutely am concerned by the form since October. But I’d like to think I’m a very level headed person and always lean to taking a breath and actually working with people who we know are good at their jobs in an effort to put things right. 
 

The first real chance to do that is in the summer.

 

Obviously, if we’re languishing in the bottom half come December, I’ll hold my hands up and say that I was wrong, but I’m completely convinced we already have the right manager for this club… we just need to rebuild this summer.

[Andy]

Just now, Shadow Puppets said:

This season has been poor, with plenty of mistakes from the manager and poor performances of the players, but ignoring the main mitigation (losing a world class striker who’s nearly impossible to properly replace) seems blinkered too. 

 

This is actually my biggest concern with Howe moving forward, his setup is almost entirely reliant on our number 9 being absolutely clinical. Isak and Wilson were both ruthless and allowed us to consistently put games beyond the opposition even when playing badly (which we did a lot in the past couple of seasons too), they turned half chances into goals; as I mentioned earlier in the thread, our current strikers turn good chances into half chances instead. 

 

We've all questioned mentality this season with our inability to see out games, but I think the bigger issue is that we're unable to test the opposition's mentality by going and scoring two or three goals and putting the game beyond them.  

 

There's a complete dearth of Isak and Wilson type players in modern football, so I'm not convinced it's as easy as just going into the transfer window and fixing it. 

[Shadow Puppets]

Just now, Andy said:

 

This is actually my biggest concern with Howe moving forward, his setup is almost entirely reliant on our number 9 being absolutely clinical. Isak and Wilson were both ruthless and allowed us to consistently put games beyond the opposition even when playing badly (which we did a lot in the past couple of seasons too), they turned half chances into goals; as I mentioned earlier in the thread, our current strikers turn good chances into half chances instead. 

 

We've all questioned mentality this season with our inability to see out games, but I think the bigger issue is that we're unable to test the opposition's mentality by going and scoring two or three goals and putting the game beyond them.  

 

There's a complete dearth of Isak and Wilson type players in modern football, so I'm not convinced it's as easy as just going into the transfer window and fixing it. 

Well I’d completely agree with everything you’ve said, so if this summer doesn’t go well I’d agree that maybe it’s time for a change, but right now we need to go out and get the players he needs and go again.

[LFEE]

37 minutes ago, Wallsendmag said:

 

Sick of seeing this. 

What reasoned assessments? 

[Wallsendmag]

1 minute ago, LFEE said:

What reasoned assessments? 

 

No the old could have, should have excuses. When it's being said over and over again it loses all meaning.

[Zero]

Just now, Shadow Puppets said:

You’ve completely lost me, sorry.

 

So just to clarify, you’d have preferred to have not scored?

 

I’m not sure what game you were watching, but we looked MUCH better from an attacking point of view after the formation change.

 

I agree that it was promising seeing the new system, but you know as well as I that this place would have been (even more) horrific if we’d not have created the two Bruno chances, scored the Barnes goal, hit the bar from the free kick etc. All of which came after the change.

Man, take a break , read below, and think again.

 

Had we continue with that 4231, we were solid. Really solid. Bruno at 6 with Tonali, we never looked like having the same problem before. The worst case was just we are unable to score and end up 0-0, but we might score 1 and got all the three points. In addition we earned experience and confidence that this new setup would work next match.
 

Instead we went back to that Plan A 433. Yea we scored again. Fine. Now tell me, base on this seasons results, the chance of holding this 1-0 result is? And what’s the message sent out by going back to this 433? Is that fucking 1 goal really worth it?
 

27 points lost from leading. Must be most in EPL. I don’t wanna waste time to check it out. Thats fucking ridiculous. 
 

we looked better in attacking and? Did we get the three points? Are we building up something to turn the tide?

 

Think again man.

[Pilko]

The most worrying thing for me is since we went to 1 game a week (with a 3 week break thrown in) we've looked about the same. He's spent all season saying we don't get any proper training time, we now have it and he's fixed or improved nothing.

[Holmesy]

2 minutes ago, Mills and Boon said:

 

Howe changed the system today to accommodate Wolter and lo and behold, he still looked shite

Eddie didn’t accommodate him in any way that was going to get the best out of him. He asked him to play an unfamiliar role in a system that doesn’t suit him.  Because he only knows one way to play. 

[Mole]

11 minutes ago, Shadow Puppets said:

Time and time again?

 

The first season in the Champions League we finished 8th, and clearly had nowhere near the size of squad to deal with those extra games. 
 

This season has been poor, with plenty of mistakes from the manager and poor performances of the players, but ignoring the main mitigation (losing a world class striker who’s nearly impossible to properly replace) seems blinkered too.

 

I don't understand why people can’t be willing to give a manager as good as Eddie Howe even the chance to put it right in the summer, given everything he’s done for us.

My reply more is a response to the bit in bold (I should have quoted you ) 

 

What has happened since is exactly why people aren't showing much willingness, week after week there's been very little signs of life and he looks like he's run out of ideas. (I am someone who has said repeatedly he deserves a chance but I will admit I lack belief he can turn it around) 

 

I just disagree with the bit in bold, I think it's very easy to understand both sides of the equation for different reasons.

 

[Mills and Boon]

1 minute ago, Zero said:

Man, take a break , read below, and think again.

 

Had we continue with that 4231, we were solid. Really solid. Bruno at 6 with Tonali, we never looked like having the same problem before. The worst case was just we are unable to score and end up 0-0, but we might score 1 and got all the three points. In addition we earned experience and confidence that this new setup would work next match.
 

Instead we went back to that Plan A 433. Yea we scored again. Fine. Now tell me, base on this seasons results, the chance of holding this 1-0 result is? And what’s the message sent out by going back to this 433? Is that fucking 1 goal really worth it?
 

27 points lost from leading. Must be most in EPL. I don’t wanna waste time to check it out. Thats fucking ridiculous. 
 

we looked better in attacking and? Did we get the three points? Are we building up something to turn the tide?

 

Think again man.

 

If he didn't change it and it petered out to a 0-0 you'd have been fucking fuming, don't kid yourself