Eddie Howe

[JoeyBartoon]

The opening 20 minutes against West Ham last week were probably the best we’ve played all season, so I was convinced he’d stick with the same team and setup. I honestly couldn’t believe it when I saw the lineup and noticed Burn and Murphy had been shoehorned straight back in. If he keeps showing the same level of favouritism towards certain players, we could easily find ourselves in a relegation battle next season. Love Howe for everything he’s done but he just doesn’t have the ruthless streak in him that top managers have.

 

 

 

[Whitley mag]

Think one of the most concerning things is how uninspiring Howe sounds in both pre and post match interviews.

 

There wasn’t even any rallying call to say things will be different next season. He’s always played everything with a straight bat and been on the whole unemotional since he’s been here, but it’s all just very bland from him at the moment.

 

The club feels very stale at the moment and whilst actions not words are required, the whole vibe around him looks that of a beaten man at the moment.

[UncleBingo]

6 hours ago, Heron said:

I think he's referring more to the vitriolic way in that folk have 180d on last years emotions and now seem intent on slating Howe beyond reasonable levels and/or on personal levels for one below par league season tbh.

 

 

 

This 100%. 

[Kid Icarus]

5 hours ago, J7 said:

You argue to the nth degree against anyone who isn’t 100% confident that he can turn it around, never mind those ‘calling him worse than shite’. I’ve seen that very rarely on here, but you’re happy to group everyone who doesn’t agree with you together to try and win another ‘argument’. It’s tedious.

That's nonsense considering I'm not 100% confident myself and wouldn't expect anyone else to be.

 

I make points that I think are worth raising and considering, sometimes the same ones multiple times admittedly, but that's being on a forum for you.

 

The idea that I group everyone together is just total bollocks, pure pity party strawman stuff. I haven't once said or suggested that anyone with understandable doubts about our direction under Howe is the same as those openly abusing him on here or across social media.

 

Finding me tedious is by-the-by really, there aren't many regulars whose posts are universally liked and I've always been a bit marmite in that respect which is fine.

 

 

Edited May 25 by Kid Icarus

[Kid Icarus]

4 hours ago, Gawalls said:

He calls everyone else worse than shite than labels people for supposing calling others worse than shite. Fact is for any manager anyone can name whose turned things around when it's got this bad we can name probably half a dozen who got sacked  everything ends badly otherwise it wouldn't end.

Citation required on that one chief.

 

 

 

Edited May 25 by Kid Icarus

[Chicken Dancer]

3 hours ago, Conjo said:

 

I think he should be allowed a slow start to the season as well

Couldn’t disagree more with this tbh. I think for his own sake we need a fast start else it’ll get pretty nasty pretty fast. 
 

Couple of my mates were down there yesterday and were saying the away end was starting to get a bit more vocal in their displeasure to say the least. There’s been a few rumblings at SJP this season too, a slow start and that will boil over, 100%.

 

No doubt we will start the season at the Emirates, home to Liverpool and away to the mackems. 

[La Parka]

10 hours ago, Nucasol said:

Stick a black and white avatar on this and it reads like a fair few comments on here. Five months later they got relegated; the original poster got pulled to bits for daring to question the direction of travel.

 

 

"Rank amateur tactics again today and precious little done to change it when everyone could see Mooy had slipped into a hole to run the game

 

He desperately needs someone in his backroom team with more talent to help him refresh ideas. Our current playlist is old favourites that are flat tunes"

 

 

Uh oh. Sounds familiar that 😂 

[NUFC91]

Was at the game yesterday so had time to reflect on this season. I love Eddie, he's my favourite Newcastle Manager but I massively worry he's lost the dressing room, and unfortunately once that happens its hard to get it back.

 

I think you can see far less togetherness with the team this year, yesterday when we went a goal down the reaction was none existent. I also think if Howe is to stay he has to be ruthless, Murphy, Willock, Pope etc all need moving on. Yesterday there was absolutely no need to bring Murphy in. Botman shouldn't of been given a new contact but he was.

 

The Europa League wasn't a tough ask, pains me to say it but Sunderland deserved to be there, but 54 points to get there shows how poor we have been. Since the international break we have been really poor, we beat a relegated side and beat Brighton who finished 9th.

 

 

 

 

Edited May 25 by NUFC91

[r0cafella]

1 minute ago, NUFC91 said:

Was at the game yesterday so had time to reflect on this season. I love Eddie, he's my favourite Newcastle Manager but I massively worry he's lost the dressing room, and unfortunately once that happens its hard to get it back.

 

I think you can far less togetherness with the team this year, yesterday when we went a goal down the reaction was none existent. I also think if Howe is to stay he has to be ruthless, Murphy, Willock, Pope etc all need moving on. Yesterday there was absolutely no need to bring Murphy in. Botman shouldn't of been given a new contact but he was.

 

The Europa League wasn't a tough ask, pains me to say it but Sunderland deserved to be there, but 54 points to get there shows how poor we have been. Since the international break we have been really poor, we beat a relegated side and beat Brighton who finished 9th.

 

 

Botmans new deal was about value protection more than anything else imo. 

 

If someone offered us money for him we would take it (maybe not this window as we have too much to do)

 

Hindsight being 20/20 us sticking for those 18 months when we couldn't buy players because of PSR has really hurt us. We probably should have looked to trade more in hindsight. 

[Gawalls]

2 hours ago, JoeyBartoon said:

The opening 20 minutes against West Ham last week were probably the best we’ve played all season, so I was convinced he’d stick with the same team and setup. I honestly couldn’t believe it when I saw the lineup and noticed Burn and Murphy had been shoehorned straight back in. If he keeps showing the same level of favouritism towards certain players, we could easily find ourselves in a relegation battle next season. Love Howe for everything he’s done but he just doesn’t have the ruthless streak in him that top managers have.

 

 

 

I love Howe as well but I agree with every word 100% and think we could sleepwalk into a relegation battle or hovering just safely above like this season if he keeps doing this.

[La Parka]

"I think we are in the same territory as we were in the first championship season, where Eddie trusted the players because he believed he knew what they were capable of in the future. He believed he knew that the system would work, given time. His dream. His vision. His passion. It worked before, why? Because it was new territory for many of them. They were growing and learning together as a team and a squad. Players who (mostly) never thought they would be this successful, this good in a team. And they were trusted. Trusted if they made mistakes.

 

This season 9 players have played in 20 games or more, but too many haven’t grown together. Too many have been established, successful, wealthy beyond their dreams. Half an eye of the next club rather than 100% focussed on the future here."

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From that Bournemouth forum.

 

That 100% captures everything.

 

We've gone from the likes of Murphy, Lascelles, a much ignored swiss cb, joelinton branded a failure - a bunch of lads, a team with a point to prove to a stack of kids who've already made it and seeing us as a stepping stone. Howe needs limited players with points to prove imo. He needs players who'll run themselves into the ground for the team. Something our transfer strategy hasn't provided. 

 

[SUPERTOON]

Still don’t understand why he bought Burn and Murphy back in yesterday.

[NUFC91]

3 hours ago, Conjo said:

 

I think he should be allowed a slow start to the season as well. If we're bottom half of the table and potentially in a relegation battle when 3/4 of the season if played then fair enough, get someone in to try to survive, while also giving the new manager some time go get familiar with the squad in order to identify where improvements are needed for the summer.

 

No point keeping Howe here if the owners are ready to axe him after 5 games (remember when Shepherd did it to SBR?). Then they might as well get someone else in now and give them the summer window to allow them to get some of their players in.

 

So basically allow what's happened to Spurs to us? This mentality needs to shift massively, we have just seen Sunderland qualify for the Europa League in 7th place yet fans seem happy to accept bottom half of the table.

 

There's no excuses for us to have Europe really next season now, no busy fixture list, plenty time to prepare etc.

[La Parka]

Just now, SUPERTOON said:

Still don’t understand why he bought Burn and Murphy back in yesterday.

Because they were the catalyst before. He trusts them. He wants to recreate the underdog spirit but he can't because the balance of the squad has skewed and he doesn't have everything pulling together. 

[r0cafella]

1 minute ago, SUPERTOON said:

Still don’t understand why he bought Burn and Murphy back in yesterday.

Might be be some of the other lads half assed it this week in training and he's trying to regain his authority?

 

Wanted to keep it tight and get a clean sheet? 

 

I'm sure he has his reasons. 

[SUPERTOON]

Just now, La Parka said:

Because they were the catalyst before. He trusts them. He wants to recreate the underdog spirit but he can't because the balance of the squad has skewed and he doesn't have everything pulling together. 

There was no need to bring them back in yesterday though, especially as we saw some improvements last week l without them.

[La Parka]

Just now, SUPERTOON said:

There was no need to bring them back in yesterday though, especially as we saw some improvements last week l without them.

That's Eddie.

 

Read that Bournemouth thread. It's all there. 

[SUPERTOON]

Just now, r0cafella said:

Might be be some of the other lads half assed it this week in training and he's trying to regain his authority?

 

Wanted to keep it tight and get a clean sheet? 

 

I'm sure he has his reasons. 

Possibly, but then when you hear that Burn was more interested in the West Ham score, it’s not a good look.

[r0cafella]

Just now, SUPERTOON said:

There was no need to bring them back in yesterday though, especially as we saw some improvements last week l without them.

To be fair we improved against dog water at home and the dog water was well and truly on the beach as well. 

 

Let's just hope yesterday was the reality check the entire club needs, it was shambolic. 

[r0cafella]

Just now, SUPERTOON said:

Possibly, but then when you hear that Burn was more interested in the West Ham score, it’s not a good look.

Agree, I'm not overly bothered by the Burn thing but it is a poor look. 

[SUPERTOON]

Just now, r0cafella said:

To be fair we improved against dog water at home and the dog water was well and truly on the beach as well. 

 

Let's just hope yesterday was the reality check the entire club needs, it was shambolic. 

I wouldn’t hold my breath on that mind.

[r0cafella]

Just now, SUPERTOON said:

I wouldn’t hold my breath on that mind.

If not it wil be another wasted season, just like this one. 

[gjohnson]

5 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

To be fair we improved against dog water at home and the dog water was well and truly on the beach as well. 

 

Let's just hope yesterday was the reality check the entire club needs, it was shambolic. 

We've had a whole season of insipid games that should have been a reality check, but the same mistakes were being made constantly. Just when it looks like something was working, it was always back to the old way next week.

[r0cafella]

Just now, gjohnson said:

We've had a whole season of insipid games that should have been a reality check, but the same mistakes were being made constantly. Just when it looks like something was working, it was always back to the old way next week.

I don't disagree but obviously the owners have made a choice and us willing a change isn't going to move the needle. 

 

Eddie is a legend despite what's happened and I hope lessons are learnt from all involved and he turns it around, this summer gives us an opportunity to clear out some of the rot and get some players in who want to be here. 

[Ben]

1 minute ago, r0cafella said:

I don't disagree but obviously the owners have made a choice and us willing a change isn't going to move the needle. 

 

Eddie is a legend despite what's happened and I hope lessons are learnt from all involved and he turns it around, this summer gives us an opportunity to clear out some of the rot and get some players in who want to be here. 

 

100% however Howe has already said he doesn't want wholesale changes because it upsets the squad