Eddie Howe

[ianbeany]

12 minutes ago, Menace said:

Uncanny. That thread reads just like here.

 

Some of the comments genuinely are uncanny

 

 

"Had he taken over two years ago though with no connection to the club with the level of tactical ineptitude and mind numbing my boring football he is currently showing then we would be calling for him to go.

He desperately needs someone in his backroom team with more talent to help him refresh ideas. Our current playlist is old favourites that are flat tunes.

Totally out thought today by a more modern tactician playing enterprising football."

[stozo]

2 minutes ago, timnufc22 said:

 

I understand the sentiment and logic, but while we do that someone like Iraola goes to another club and we miss an opportunity that could be great for us. We have to look at the landscape and make a decision in the cold light of day and there are more than enough signs to point towards Howe not being the man to rejuvenate this team. 

Without any offense intended the Iraola's of this world come around every five minutes. He is the latest in a long list of promising managers who have very good seasons by the standards of the club they are at, and seem ready to take the step up. There is almost always someone who fits this profile. Indeed, you could argue it was once Eddie Howe. My point is really that all of the managerial options touted are punts of this nature (with the Fabregas, Mourinho etc. names touted never being realistic). I have no problem seeing where we are come October/November before the club making a decision on Howe, as fundamentally there is going to be someone of this profile around and willing to take the job at that point. 

[Mountain]

2 minutes ago, duo said:

No one doubts the job Eddie has done but the wheels have fallen off this season. Time for a change.

 

Eddie has been great, he's just reached the end of his story here.

 

Or has he?

 

The edited pic of him as Bret Hart has made me fall in love with him again.

 

EDDIE HOWE I LOVE YOU.

 

[Milburn]

4 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

 

There will always be opportunities. 

 

You could make a case either way for Howe, but given what he's given this club, I'm more than happy to give him a opportunity for redemption.

Out of genuine curiosity, is that based on football reasons or mainly gratitude for last season’s trophy?

 

Because the reality is:

 

1) There’s no visible evolution on the pitch anymore. If anything, things have completely stagnated.

2) History from other clubs and managers shows that genuinely awful seasons almost never suddenly turn into a renaissance the following year. Usually the decline just continues.

3) Perhaps most importantly, there are basically zero signs right now suggesting Howe is about to become the exception to that rule.

[stozo]

9 minutes ago, Milburn said:

Out of genuine curiosity, is that based on football reasons or mainly gratitude for last season’s trophy?

 

Because the reality is:

 

1) There’s no visible evolution on the pitch anymore. If anything, things have completely stagnated.

2) History from other clubs and managers shows that genuinely awful seasons almost never suddenly turn into a renaissance the following year. Usually the decline just continues.

3) Perhaps most importantly, there are basically zero signs right now suggesting Howe is about to become the exception to that rule.

I think the footballing argument is pretty straightforward. The squad talent and composition level was fundamentally broken after losing Isak and failing to recruit well, which has led to us underperforming this season. The hope is we recruit well, have a better squad, don't have European football and start winning again. 

 

You can argue to what extent Eddie is to blame for last summer's debacle, but fundamentally he was left in the position by the club where the CEO and Director of Football jobs ended up vacant and he had to step into the breach once more and do everything. Clearly we have a different situation this summer, and we'd hope for a better outcome. 

[Nedders]

3 hours ago, Rod said:

Your opinion sucks, in my opinion. Who would you have as the Newcastle manager? In your opinion, obviously.

Hoeness, Inzaghi, Motta, Terzic, Iraola.

 

[Minhosa]

Just now, Nedders said:

Hoeness, Inzaghi, Motta, Terzic, Iraola.

 

Terzic gone to Bilbao now hasn’t he?

[Mountain]

4 minutes ago, Nedders said:

Hoeness, Inzaghi, Motta, Terzic, Iraola.

 

 

Rod from here would be my choice, just as interim to shore things up and maybe permanent if he gets things right.

[toontownman]

Eddie has earned the chance at next season.

 

We need a complete overhaul and so many people need hard looks in the mirror if not jettisoning out of the club.

 

They need a full review to undress the many things that went wrong this year and how to remedy them.

 

As mentioned, Eddie has earned next season but I still cant help thinking there will never be a better time to refresh with money to spend, players leaving and the full summer ahead. Hope we arent sitting here next season sad to see Eddie gone and 200m spent on players that didnt work out like this year.

 

Its a gamble from the heart. Which is rare in mormdern football ownership. I credit their loyalty but it wont stop the worry of whether Eddie can once again prove doubters wrong. There are few genuinely dedicated enough to want to make it work than him.

[Milburn]

14 minutes ago, stozo said:

I think the footballing argument is pretty straightforward. The squad talent and composition level was fundamentally broken after losing Isak and failing to recruit well, which has led to us underperforming this season. The hope is we recruit well, have a better squad, don't have European football and start winning again. 

 

You can argue to what extent Eddie is to blame for last summer's debacle, but fundamentally he was left in the position by the club where the CEO and Director of Football jobs ended up vacant and he had to step into the breach once more and do everything. Clearly we have a different situation this summer, and we'd hope for a better outcome. 

Fair enough, but Howe also has to take responsibility for us becoming so absurdly dependent on one single player. Brighton, Bournemouth and Brentford all lost multiple key players and still managed to finish above us this season.

 

I’m interested to see which players get linked with Newcastle this summer. Whether there are actually any new ideas at all, or whether it’s just more of the same with physicality and power being the main focus again.

[Minhosa]

When the time is right I’d be very interested in a poll asking what finish next season would be deemed acceptable for Howe. In my opinion, after this years shitshow, with no europe or other distractions, with backing this summer (which I’m sure he’ll get again), it has to be champions league football. If I was setting his targets, that’s where I’d be putting it for next season. Europa etc not good enough with one game per week and loads of time on the grass with them all. 
 

CL or nothing imho next season. 

[Nedders]

4 minutes ago, toontownman said:

Eddie has earned the chance at next season.

 

We need a complete overhaul and so many people need hard looks in the mirror if not jettisoning out of the club.

 

They need a full review to undress the many things that went wrong this year and how to remedy them.

 

As mentioned, Eddie has earned next season but I still cant help thinking there will never be a better time to refresh with money to spend, players leaving and the full summer ahead. Hope we arent sitting here next season sad to see Eddie gone and 200m spent on players that didnt work out like this year.

 

Its a gamble from the heart. Which is rare in mormdern football ownership. I credit their loyalty but it wont stop the worry of whether Eddie can once again prove doubters wrong. There are few genuinely dedicated enough to want to make it work than him.

In my opinion this is sympathetic crap and I don’t follow why anyone subscribes to the view. I don’t quite get why Howe has such deep reserves of sympathy. Hes central to the worst window we’ve ever had, has underperformed to an almost absurd level and failed to achieve on every marker the club should have. For over a year. It’s frankly bizarre - there should be a clamour for his head, because what we are left with is abject. Wissa, Elanga, Ramsdale, Murphy, even Barnes then you have Gordon giving up, Tonali same, I just think it’s a horror show. It we were genuinely aspirational he’d be gone but I don’t think we are; I think instead this is a profiteering exercise from Saudi and as such real success isn’t on the table. Howe looks like the cat with the cream , utterly bulletproof, no threat. Its going to get worse, all.

[Crimson Cardigan]

1 minute ago, Nedders said:

In my opinion this is sympathetic crap and I don’t follow why anyone subscribes to the view. I don’t quite get why Howe has such deep reserves of sympathy. Hes central to the worst window we’ve ever had, has underperformed to an almost absurd level and failed to achieve on every marker the club should have. For over a year. It’s frankly bizarre - there should be a clamour for his head, because what we are left with is abject. Wissa, Elanga, Ramsdale, Murphy, even Barnes then you have Gordon giving up, Tonali same, I just think it’s a horror show. It we were genuinely aspirational he’d be gone but I don’t think we are; I think instead this is a profiteering exercise from Saudi and as such real success isn’t on the table. Howe looks like the cat with the cream , utterly bulletproof, no threat. Its going to get worse, all.

I don’t know how long you’ve been supporting Newcastle but winning a domestic cup is kind of big deal round here. You certainly don’t sack a guy the very next season.

[Kimbo]

44 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

 

There will always be opportunities. 

 

You could make a case either way for Howe, but given what he's given this club, I'm more than happy to give him an opportunity for redemption.

Would you give him the whole of next season? Hypothetically, if our form carries on at the start of next season, would you make a change after 10 games or so?

[Fak]

Just now, Kimbo said:

Would you give him the whole of next season? Hypothetically, if our form carries on at the start of next season, would you make a change after 10 games or so?

 

Its a yes from me.

[Kid Icarus]

If you don't understand why we'd have sympathy - never mind want to persevere - with a manager with that CV at Newcastle then I'd like to see what you do understand.

[Heron]

I see we're still all regurgitating the exact same views from 3months ago

 

The one thing I'll say - is I am disappointed by the lack of professionalism and endeavour shown by the collective club since the second half of the Barca game.

 

Nothing realistically was likely to change other than that until post-pre-season.

 

That doesn't bode well for Howe but is perhaps systematic of what I perceive to be changing room divisions and a slow decline in "leaders" both on the pitch and behind the scenes and for me our inability to see out leads only highlights that further.

 

What remains to be seen now is who stays, what they perform like when they do, and who we sign - but that's most seasons...right?!

 

There is nothing too strange in folk staying loyal to Howe. Let's face it. Just as there's nothing too strange in folk wanting change (at this stage), but I think any reasonable fan when they take an objective view, based on known fact (only) can at least see reasons for both.

 

 

Edited May 24 by Heron

[The Prophet]

3 minutes ago, Kimbo said:

Would you give him the whole of next season? Hypothetically, if our form carries on at the start of next season, would you make a change after 10 games or so?

 

No, I'd be reviewing it regularly based on how he's getting on.

[Coffee_Johnny]

4 hours ago, Rod said:

Complete nonsense. We were NOT humbled by Barcelona. The score totally flattered them. We more than matched them for about 160 minutes ( over two legs).

Asking the owners to sack Eddie shows what a complete prick you are. Sorry I'm back, but this type of nonsense infuriates me. Even though your spelling and grammar were excellent, you are a fan we do not want!

Welcome back, my man! We've missed you. 

[Gallowgate Toon]

Also, can we please do some fucking transfer business early for once? 

 

Every year, we say get as many in as possible before preseason. It feels like it never materialises.

 

The league could be wide open next season - small gains like that could be really big for us.

[Coffee_Johnny]

17 minutes ago, Nedders said:

In my opinion this is sympathetic crap and I don’t follow why anyone subscribes to the view. I don’t quite get why Howe has such deep reserves of sympathy. Hes central to the worst window we’ve ever had, has underperformed to an almost absurd level and failed to achieve on every marker the club should have. For over a year. It’s frankly bizarre - there should be a clamour for his head, because what we are left with is abject. Wissa, Elanga, Ramsdale, Murphy, even Barnes then you have Gordon giving up, Tonali same, I just think it’s a horror show. It we were genuinely aspirational he’d be gone but I don’t think we are; I think instead this is a profiteering exercise from Saudi and as such real success isn’t on the table. Howe looks like the cat with the cream , utterly bulletproof, no threat. Its going to get worse, all.

Really? Absurd underperformance? I understand and share your disappointment but a bit of perspective is needed. Our average position in the PL (30 seasons) is 11th. We finished 12th. Lots of context to that, which we're all well aware of.  

 

 

 

Edited May 24 by Coffee_Johnny

[Terrymac1966]

The last 10 games have been clarification of a man who has no ideas left...ok he has money in the bank I get that but are we lojing a gift horse in the mouth by ignoring the Bournemouth manager who seems to have ideas and a clear plan every game while Eddie chucks subs around with gay abandon but no cohesive plan ...bye Eddie 9

[toontownman]

4 minutes ago, Nedders said:

In my opinion this is sympathetic crap and I don’t follow why anyone subscribes to the view. I don’t quite get why Howe has such deep reserves of sympathy. Hes central to the worst window we’ve ever had, has underperformed to an almost absurd level and failed to achieve on every marker the club should have. For over a year. It’s frankly bizarre - there should be a clamour for his head, because what we are left with is abject. Wissa, Elanga, Ramsdale, Murphy, even Barnes then you have Gordon giving up, Tonali same, I just think it’s a horror show. It we were genuinely aspirational he’d be gone but I don’t think we are; I think instead this is a profiteering exercise from Saudi and as such real success isn’t on the table. Howe looks like the cat with the cream , utterly bulletproof, no threat. Its going to get worse, all.

 

It's just as easy to end up like spurs or chelsea going from manager to manager. I am not convinced with the speed our club moves at, that we would bring in the right person to replace him.

 

I was at peace with Eddie leaving. I dont think there will be a better time. I am however fine with him getting the opportunity to right this seasons wrongs. This is the first time he has let us down. As said. (Pleasantly) surprised by the rare loyalty shown to him by the ownership.

[Heron]

Mad thing is if we beat the scum twice we'd be in Europa League and dare I say it most would think differently of this seasons results, albeit not their performances.

[Minhosa]

12 minutes ago, Nedders said:

In my opinion this is sympathetic crap and I don’t follow why anyone subscribes to the view. I don’t quite get why Howe has such deep reserves of sympathy. Hes central to the worst window we’ve ever had, has underperformed to an almost absurd level and failed to achieve on every marker the club should have. For over a year. It’s frankly bizarre - there should be a clamour for his head, because what we are left with is abject. Wissa, Elanga, Ramsdale, Murphy, even Barnes then you have Gordon giving up, Tonali same, I just think it’s a horror show. It we were genuinely aspirational he’d be gone but I don’t think we are; I think instead this is a profiteering exercise from Saudi and as such real success isn’t on the table. Howe looks like the cat with the cream , utterly bulletproof, no threat. Its going to get worse, all.

A profiteering exercise? How exactly?

 

All they’ve done since buying us is spend money.
 

There is barely any profit. And what profit there is, is all reinvested. 
 

They will only ‘profit’ when they sell us and that will only come following a sustained period of sporting success, commercial success and investment success. 
 

None of which you can sustain without a successful football team. The manager of which is currently Eddie Howe. 
 

If he performs next season as he has this last season he will almost certainly not be in the role. Through his choice or theirs. Either way, they’ll have to appoint someone who will bring some form of success to ever see a profit on us.  
 

So, in my view at least, this is in no way a profiteering exercise.