Eddie Howe

[1892er]

Eddie mentioned last week how we were reactive rather than proactive. I found that a bit ironic considering he brought on Tino when it was obvious Burn was going to get skinned for pace every time. Not quite sure what's going on but we look burnt out with still half a season to go. 

[Gallowgate Toon]

3 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

The issue is, we have zero tactical flexibility because we lack and specialists to perform certain roles. Even if you swap out what we had today and put in both joes it’s the same issue right? Massive space in front of our defence and a lack of creativity. When it works it’s obviously great but when it comes unstuck it looks amateurish. 

Massive space in front of defence is a team shape thing though. A DM doesn't magically cover 2 spaces at once. We will always be front foot against those sides, it's worked very well for nearly 2 years. 

[The College Dropout]

2 minutes ago, Ketsbaia said:

Considering there'll be zero points throughout January, I do worry about Howe.

 

Although 'worry' might be wrong, as his predictable tactics + questionable in-game decisions are a big part of this complete freefall. Suddenly the season is destined for 8th-10th, all those good times quickly forgotten.

 

I don't know how we get out of this.

Even if it’s in Feb. We’ll grind out a win. And start putting a run together. Once we have options back. 
 

If we get to 90% fitness and fresher legs. We are largely better player for player than 12 teams in this division. 

[Joe1984]

3 minutes ago, Ketsbaia said:

Considering there'll be zero points throughout January, I do worry about Howe.

 

Although 'worry' might be wrong, as his predictable tactics + questionable in-game decisions are a big part of this complete freefall. Suddenly the season is destined for 8th-10th, all those good times quickly forgotten.

 

I don't know how we get out of this.

Don't count points until they are lost or won. Football can suprise you.

[TheBrownBottle]

4 minutes ago, Rod said:

Not sure exactly how much they have spent but Forest have signed a load of players.

Agreed, and I think Howe has done an excellent job generally - though as much as I think that he needs to be backed during a difficult spell, I also don’t think what has been performed are miracles or wonders.  With signing on fees I’d be willing to bet that the club has sunk half a billion quid on transfers

[El Prontonise]

That winter break can't come soon enough.

[r0cafella]

1 minute ago, Gallowgate Toon said:

Massive space in front of defence is a team shape thing though. A DM doesn't magically cover 2 spaces at once. We will always be front foot against those sides, it's worked very well for nearly 2 years. 

I mean if your player with a dedicated DM It’s his job to sit and protect the defence. At least you have somebody responsible for that area of the pitch. 
 

Our current way of playing asks so much of our midfielder and wingers they have so much ground to cover. 
 

Generally teams playing with such an aggressive set up will have a super high line to accommodate it, but we have such a slow defence they want to sit deep causing acres of space. 
 

It’s a tactical issue. 

[Yorkie]

What's so frustrating is that no bullshit ref call and no Trippier brainfart and we're still in both of those cup competitions despite the nosedive in performances. Then the confidence isn't utterly shot.

 

Really do feel he deserves a colossal amount of grace. And financial backing next month. 

[TheBrownBottle]

3 minutes ago, Gallowgate Toon said:

Massive space in front of defence is a team shape thing though. A DM doesn't magically cover 2 spaces at once. We will always be front foot against those sides, it's worked very well for nearly 2 years. 

Shape was the biggest issue today for me.  Kept banging on about it in the match thread.  It’s got progressively worse in recent weeks.  

[pubteam]

Eddie's high press only works with a fit squad. The fact we have no backup plan is crazy, we can't play 100mph football at all stages of the game.

[Coffee_Johnny]

13 minutes ago, Geogaddi said:

Seem to remember a Bournemouth fan on here saying one of his flaws was being loyal to players that were clearly out of form and should be nowhere near the starting line up ,we are all seeing that first hand now with the likes of Trippier , Burn , Longstaff etc .

 

 

 

Cuts both ways, how do you create loyalty and a sense of collective endeavour if you don’t back your stalwarts? 
we all love the team spirit he has helped create. It perhaps comes at a cost if the balance isn’t right. 

 

 

Edited December 26, 2023 by Coffee_Johnny

[Ben]

When did our defenders start chasing the ball and not keep in shape

[Gallowgate Toon]

Just now, TheBrownBottle said:

Shape was the biggest issue today for me.  Kept banging on about it in the match thread.  It’s got progressively worse in recent weeks.  

Fucking shambles second half, like. They were 2 passes and in on goal far too many times.

 

Easy balls over the press too.

[Ronson333]

He did just say we’ll now have an opportunity to train properly for the first time in months. Don’t be surprised if  our form improves dramatically as a result.

[The Prophet]

You look at the players out there today. Trippier is in poor form, Botman, Burn and Longstaff have all just returned from injury lay-offs, Schar, Livramento, Gordon and Isak have all been playing through knocks while we have an untested 17 year-old in midfield. They've been playing twice a week for the last couple of months.

 

Howe isn't untouchable, but it's hard to rotate or formulate a plan B when the bench consists of Dummett, Hall, Ritchie and a few academy lads who probably won't make the cut.  

 

If things don't improve in the coming months, I might start to change my mind, but he and the lads need our full support at the the moment. This scenario was always a possibility and has been in the post since about November.

 

 

Edited December 26, 2023 by The Prophet

[The College Dropout]

I had my concerns about going balls deep with Howe ball in the summer. But most of those key players have been unavailable for various reasons so hard to say if it was the wrong route without hindsight. 
 

I think the Hall transfer was questionable at the time. Essentially secured Burn as first choice LB. 
 

Style of play sustainability wise. Lack of rotation. Lack of flexibility. These are my biggest systemic issues with Howe. 

[Ben]

Just now, Ronson333 said:

He did just say we’ll now have an opportunity to train properly for the first time in months. Don’t be surprised if  our form improves dramatically as a result.

I hope so, I really like Howes Newcastle

[Thumbheed]

I still can't peel myself away from the beleif that these injuries are front and centre as the reason we're playing the way we are. 

 

There's certainly questions to be asked about selction and lack of tactical flexibility at times but when your game is built primarily upon intensity and you can't maintain that due to lack of options off the bench then something will give.

 

Our form will not fully recover until we have people who can come off the bench and help maintain that intensity for the full 90 minutes.

[David Edgar]

2 minutes ago, Ronson333 said:

He did just say we’ll now have an opportunity to train properly for the first time in months. Don’t be surprised if  our form improves dramatically as a result.

 

Admitting he can't run a team on a CL schedule.

[TheBrownBottle]

1 minute ago, Gallowgate Toon said:

Fucking shambles second half, like. They were 2 passes and in on goal far too many times.

 

Easy balls over the press too.

Yep - it was a collective failure.  Forwards too knackered to press and some poor decision-making making us vulnerable to counters; a midfield which was crowding towards the ball; and a back line which looked like the offside rule had only been explained via hand signals before kick off and which also seemed to drift towards the ball.  All compounded by a goalkeeper who goes to ground far, far too easily.

[Billy Warthog]

We'd be fucking crazy to part company with Howe in this season. I refuse to tolerate even considering it. I want him here long term; building the side and infrastructure we all want is always going to take time. 

 

We're in a trough, but there'll be more peaks. We sure as hell need our players back, and I hope they're at least reviewing their training methods with all these injuries. But let's not hit the red button just yet. Please. This shit takes time, and in the meantime, there'll be some shit.

 

Christ, dare I even say this on here, but at the rate we're currently going we may even lose to the mackems. If we do, it still won't be the end of my world. It'll infuriate and disappoint of course, but we have now something we didn't have before - the prospect of a real future. The CL adventure probably skewed all our expectations a bit. It's natural to get carried away, but we might now have to accept a slightly bitter reality that it may get a bit worse before it gets better. 

We will come again, and when we do it'll seem all the sweeter. In the meantime, keep supporting the lads. It's all we as fans can do. 

[Upthemags]

3 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

You look at the players out there today. Trippier is in poor form, Botman, Burn and Longstaff have all just returned from injury lay-offs, Schar, Livramento, Gordon and Isak have all been playing through knocks while we have an untested 17 year-old in midfield. They've been playing twice a week for the last couple of months.

 

Howe isn't untouchable, but it's hard to rotate or formulate a plan B when the bench consists of Dummett, Hall, Ritchie and a few academy lads who probably won't make the cut.  

 

If things don't improve in the coming months, I might start to change my mind, but he and the lads need our full support at the thr moment. This scenario was always a possibility and has been in the post since about November.

This is disingenuous - Howe spent 70 million pound on fullbacks precisely to lighten the load on our aging ones. We don't get to then throw up our hands and say there's no options to rotate

 

 

Edited December 26, 2023 by Upthemags

[Dava1892]

53 minutes ago, RUHRLYASLEEVESUP said:

Shut up

Not want I want at all but this is what I can. See happening. 1 win in 7 and questions will start to be asked, no doubt about that so you STFU

[pedro111]

I'm backing Howe to the hilt. Don't want to list any excuses as we all know what they are. If it were up to me I would give him at least another two transfer windows before sharpening the knife.

[Gallowgate Toon]

Just now, Thumbheed said:

I still can't peel myself away from the beleif that these injuries are front and centre as the reason we're playing the way we are. 

 

There's certainly questions to be asked about selction and lack of tactical flexibility at times but when your game is built primarily upon intensity and you can't maintain that due to lack of options off the bench then something will give.

 

Our form will not fully recover until we have people who can come off the bench and help maintain that intensity for the full 90 minutes.

It's the most physically intense league in the world. No team is winning without being at 90% physically, regardless of tactical approach.