Yorkie Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 4 minutes ago, Menace said: Again you're cherry picking a good signing and obviously ignoring the trash he was also responsible for In what other club in the league is a nephew of a manager allowed to be in charge of transfers? It's so small time I'm not cherry picking, at least I didn't think I was. He's not responsible for every single transfer is he? The Andy Howe stuff is just pure conjecture to fuel the disdain of the manager. No one even knows what he really does tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JT24 Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 Let’s all take a breather here, Andy Howe is a great employee. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 (edited) We have some very wasteful players in key positions, exacerbated by low confidence I'm sure. Tonali, Tino, Gordon, in particular Murphy. And Elanga since he hasn't lived up to expectations yet. So many of our attacks break down due to simple mistakes. Agree coaching will be a part of it, probably part of the reason the short time on the training ground this season has hurt us. Edited April 15 by AyeDubbleYoo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menace Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 Obviously could be bullshit but somehow I think Howe had a say in who the Sporting Director was Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Menace said: SBR was 20 years ago like. Most managers now days are just head coaches. Which is why I don't understand this "he's not been backed" argument. A sporting director got binned off cause he didn't get on with him, his nephew has been bought in to help, he has been able to sign players he has wanted. Howe does not get this free roam at another club of our size. It really is incredibly frustrating to see what happened in the summer framed in a way that is just flat out wrong (and imo at this point deliberately disingenuous) and keeps having to be corrected day after day after day. Edited April 15 by Kid Icarus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Menace said: Obviously could be bullshit but somehow I think Howe had a say in who the Sporting Director was I never said he didn't have a say, he should have a say. It's just usually trotted out that Wilson was chosen because of a previous relationship with Howe which does not exist. "Who do you want Eddie?", "My mate Scott", is not something that happened. Also we don't know if Wilson is actually going to be good yet, so how is he a bad choice? Edited April 15 by AyeDubbleYoo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menace Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 You could think whatever you like, I'm getting just as tired reading the same shit about Howe not being at fault for summer like Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 This conspiracy theory that Howe has secretive control of the club and all it's decisions is fucking barmy, like. Cant imagine having such a weird anti NUFC agenda just for the sake of it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menace Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 2 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: I never said he didn't have a say, he should have a say. It's just usually trotted out that Wilson was chosen because of a previous relationship with Howe which does not exist. "Who do you want Eddie?", "My mate Scott", is not something that happened. Also we don't know if Wilson is actually going to be good yet, so how is he a bad choice? Why should he have a say? Does Arteta tell Arsenal who he wants as a director? Does Slot? Does Brentford manager? Does Carrick? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 1 minute ago, Menace said: You could think whatever you like, I'm getting just as tired reading the same shit about Howe not being at fault for summer like Stop lying then. If you're going to critique Howe at least premise it on the truth instead of utter bollocks that didn't happen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menace Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 Who's lying? The same pro Howe people are now down playing Andy Howe's role and now saying he's not even responsible for the signings Do you see how this works? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 Take some time away from the internet, man. Youre going cuckoo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 1 minute ago, Menace said: Who's lying? The same pro Howe people are now down playing Andy Howe's role and now saying he's not even responsible for the signings Do you see how this works? No one's saying Andy Howe doesn't have any responsibility for signings. This started cos you intimidated that Howe insisted on the removal of Mitchell and replaced him with his nephew. I'm sure I'll appear in most people's 'Defenders of Eddie Howe' XI, but I honestly don't feel like I go disproportionately into bat for him all that much. What always tends to trigger me is the arguments that either don't make sense and/or ignore crucial context. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 2 minutes ago, Menace said: Who's lying? The same pro Howe people are now down playing Andy Howe's role and now saying he's not even responsible for the signings Do you see how this works? You are. "His nephew was brought in to help" like it was a case nepotism on Howe's part. Andy Howe, who has already been here for years, was tasked with being part of the makeshift recruitment team because that was PIF's no-CEO and no-DoF contingency plan - the end. That's what happened. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 Just now, Kid Icarus said: You are. "His nephew was brought in to help" like it was a case nepotism on Howe's part. Andy Howe, who has already been here for years, was tasked with being part of the makeshift recruitment team because that was PIF's no-CEO and no-DoF contingency plan - the end. That's what happened. Eh Andy Howe arrived when his uncle did or shortly after. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Menace said: Why should he have a say? Does Arteta tell Arsenal who he wants as a director? Does Slot? Does Brentford manager? Does Carrick? I’m not sure, Arteta might do. Probably not Carrick since he’s caretaker. I don’t want an all-powerful manager (and I don’t think we have one) but since Howe was basically the football club and the only functioning professional who had achieved absolutely loads, I think the best continuity could be achieved by him having some input. Assuming the club believed he was likely to be our long-term manager. Seems like all he did was a form of view about whether they will have a good relationship with Wilson so I feel like it’s acceptable. And again, we don’t know if Wilson is not good so this whole discussion could well be moot. Edited April 15 by AyeDubbleYoo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 1 minute ago, r0cafella said: Eh Andy Howe arrived when his uncle did or shortly after. "A sporting director got binned off cause he didn't get on with him, his nephew has been bought in to help, he has been able to sign players he has wanted." You're telling me that's not a description of a chain of events in the summer? If you want to criticise Andy Howe coming in in the first place, fine, but you'd be doing so in the face of ALL our signings since he's been here, not just the ones in the summer gone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcjmc Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Yorkie said: No one's saying Andy Howe doesn't have any responsibility for signings. This started cos you intimidated that Howe insisted on the removal of Mitchell and replaced him with his nephew. I'm sure I'll appear in most people's 'Defenders of Eddie Howe' XI, but I honestly don't feel like I go disproportionately into bat for him all that much. What always tends to trigger me is the arguments that either don't make sense and/or ignore crucial context. To be fair the lack of information means we all have to fill the void with assumption to a certain point. Was the summer a continuation of an existing plan executed by whoever was left? Was the summer a new plan constructed by those who remained? Who had final say in the end of who we went for/who we pivoted to? who decided to do the begging meeting to try and persuade the rat? who decided to spend more time on sessko when he seemed keen to go to Manu I feel for those left to handle all the fall out and shite which just stretched all the way through the window and we are never going to know if it was a well constructed thought out plan which hasnt worked or wasnt executed as well due to people stepping into unfamiliar roles or a put together on a fag packet panic which wasn't as well thought out. The long standing and protracted interest in Elanga/Trafford and Thiaw makes you think some of those was in the pipe line regardless who the DOF/SD was. Edited April 15 by nufcjmc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 Just now, Kid Icarus said: "A sporting director got binned off cause he didn't get on with him, his nephew has been bought in to help, he has been able to sign players he has wanted." You're telling me that's not a description of a chain of events in the summer? If you want to criticise Andy Howe coming in in the first place, fine, but you'd be doing so in the face of ALL our signings since he's been here, not just the ones in the summer gone. That's not my wording but I'm taking brought in as promoted to deal with incomings which has what has been widely reported. It's also important to note that Andy Howe wasn't on the so called committee when the other players were brought in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menace Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 He wasn't - Nickson was. Nickson got pushed aside and Andy Howe was in charge of transfers this summer case in point.. BBC Sport has been told Wissa is so infuriated that he is threatening not to play for the club again if they fail to permit his move to Newcastle. It is understood Giles has held further talks with Newcastle's acting sporting director Andy Howe over the past 24 hours - but a deal is still to be reached Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 1 minute ago, Menace said: He wasn't - Nickson was. Nickson got pushed aside and Andy Howe was in charge of transfers this summer case in point.. BBC Sport has been told Wissa is so infuriated that he is threatening not to play for the club again if they fail to permit his move to Newcastle. It is understood Giles has held further talks with Newcastle's acting sporting director Andy Howe over the past 24 hours - but a deal is still to be reached Source? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 The voice in his head Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 Nobody thinks we had a good summer, I’m not sure what we’re debating sometimes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 (edited) 8 minutes ago, r0cafella said: That's not my wording but I'm taking brought in as promoted to deal with incomings which has what has been widely reported. It's also important to note that Andy Howe wasn't on the so called committee when the other players were brought in. Brought in to deal with incomings last summer - the context for which is absolutely crucial. The way that and the whole set up we had is spun like we weren't a CEO and DoF down at the time is why it's so obviously disingenuous on its face. Edited April 15 by Kid Icarus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menace Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Yorkie said: Source? https://nufcblog.co.uk/2024/09/06/steve-nickson-not-happy-as-paul-mitchell-prepares-to-make-changes-report Could obviously be lies Edit: I do recall on the local journos saying Nickson had applied for the sporting director role but wasn't being considered - or I could be talking shite of course Edited April 15 by Menace Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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