Eddie Howe

[Mills and Boon]

It's raining this morning. HOWE OUT!

[Geordie Ahmed]

2 hours ago, Interpolic said:

 

Would love to know where this bitterness towards one of our best ever managers comes from like, it's absolutely bizarre. 

This is the bit that has annoyed me the most

 

It's one thing thinking we should move on from him but some of the language being used to describe him is ridiculous

[jemo96]

I’m still for Howe, I take Alex Ferguson as an example of staying power until it finally clicks. 

Ferguson’s  first years were up and down, very trial and error. 

Admittedly Howe will have to change  things and I’m hoping he’s not unwilling to do this. 
 

This close season is so important regarding signings, we have to get it spot on because I think that has been the main issue, that and his unwillingness to change up things early enough to go on and win games. 
 

Not sure there’s anyone else out there that could massively change us at the moment, at a push I’d say Pep and his team.

 

 

[Wallsendmag]

8 hours ago, Kid Icarus said:

What we received is meaningless in the context of being backed. SBR also wanted the players we sold gone and all of it was used to buy the players he wanted. That's by definition being backed.

 

It was an era in which we had to sell to buy. Think we sold Hamann the summer before Robson arrived for something like £12m and Dyer came in. Howey went to Man City snd Goma came in. We received around £5m more than we made in transfers that summer. Robsons only major signing around that time (the following summer) was Cort and Ferguson made way for his arrival so no he clearly wasn't massively backed in the transfer market with big money at all. Our net spend that summer was half a million quid. Silly trying to suggest otherwise when the evidence is there.

[Kid Icarus]

3 minutes ago, Wallsendmag said:

 

It was an era in which we had to sell to buy. Think we sold Hamann the summer before Robson arrived for something like £12m and Dyer came in. Howey went to Man City snd Goma came in. We received around £5m more than we made in transfers that summer. Robsons only major signing around that time (the following summer) was Cort and Ferguson made way for his arrival so no he clearly wasn't massively backed in the transfer market with big money at all. Our net spend that summer was half a million quid. Silly trying to suggest otherwise when the evidence is there.

Sorry, I just think this is a completely non-existent argument so I'll leave it there. I've already made my point that SBR wanted players out and wanted players in and he got both, which to me is him being backed. You have your argument and if anyone else wants to believe it that's for them to decide.

[Wallsendmag]

3 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

Sorry, I just think this is a completely non-existent argument so I'll leave it there. I've already made my point that SBR wanted players out and wanted players in and he got both, which to me is him being backed. You have your argument and if anyone else wants to believe it that's for them to decide.

 

I'd leave it there as well if I were you 

 

The numbers are there for anyone to look it. It's not really an argument. We were making more in player sales than what we were spending in the summer before he arrived and the summer after he arrived combined and his only major sighing was Carl Cort.

 

You say we was well backed though and I say he wasn't. We'll just have to leave it at that.

 

 

 

 

[NUFC91]

6 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

Sorry, I just think this is a completely non-existent argument so I'll leave it there. I've already made my point that SBR wanted players out and wanted players in and he got both, which to me is him being backed. You have your argument and if anyone else wants to believe it that's for them to decide.

 

What is your argument that Robson was backed more than Howe? I love Eddie but this narrative that he hasn't been backed by the owners is daft really, having £250m to spend in the summer is being backed, the Isak situation wasn't ideal but we still had funds to sign players to improve the squad, I think the biggest issue was we chased premier league players for the majority and your never attracting players over man utd and Liverpool, then late on we had to try and raid Europe. 

[Kid Icarus]

2 minutes ago, NUFC91 said:

 

What is your argument that Robson was backed more than Howe? I love Eddie but this narrative that he hasn't been backed by the owners is daft really, having £250m to spend in the summer is being backed, the Isak situation wasn't ideal but we still had funds to sign players to improve the squad, I think the biggest issue was we chased premier league players for the majority and your never attracting players over man utd and Liverpool, then late on we had to try and raid Europe. 

No, you've misinterpreted what the discussion is.

 

Someone asked if there are any example of managers being backed, finishing mid-table and then the next season going on to be successful.

 

SBR was cited as an example of that. No one said anything about being backed more than anyone else, no one said anything about Howe not being backed. They are both arguments no one made.

[ffs]

it's probably been mentioned several times already in this enormous thread, but i wonder whether his pneumonia hospitalisation a year ago has had some lingering impact, somehow. his ppg and win ratio are starkly different before and after. probably just a coincidence, and he's super fit and so on, but if *I* had nearly died and been hospitalised i feel like i probably wouldn't be quite at my normal level for a good stretch. 

[Abacus]

Yes I think there's been some genuine concern that he's exhausted, especially after going through the summer without a structure in place supporting him and then straight into a relentless campaign as well.

 

I seem to remember him asking for quick action in the summer, which is the opposite to what happened, as we went from one drawn out pursuit to another, obviously finishing after the season had already started.

 

You could blame who you want for that, but from the outside (and clearly I don't know how it played out behind the scenes), but it had the feeling of a club casting about without strategic direction or the right infrastructure in place. This is not to absolve or to blame, just thinking back to how it felt.

 

 

Edited April 15 by Abacus

[Ben]

3 hours ago, Mills and Boon said:

It's raining this morning. HOWE OUT!

 

Exactly, no plan B

[Holmesy]

37 minutes ago, Ben said:

 

Exactly, no plan B

Could just get an umbrella or a raincoat with a hood - you know, work around the problem.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

47 minutes ago, Abacus said:

Yes I think there's been some genuine concern that he's exhausted, especially after going through the summer without a structure in place supporting him and then straight into a relentless campaign as well.

 

I seem to remember him asking for quick action in the summer, which is the opposite to what happened, as we went from one drawn out pursuit to another, obviously finishing after the season had already started.

 

You could blame who you want for that, but from the outside (and clearly I don't know how it played out behind the scenes), but it had the feeling of a club casting about without strategic direction or the right infrastructure in place. This is not to absolve or to blame, just thinking back to how it felt.

 

 

Saying that though, we now have those strategic people in place so you would expect this summer to be much more professional. 

[The College Dropout]

Interesting parallels to us.  Especially without Bruno, Schar and Trippier.  

[Menace]

SBR was 20 years ago like. Most managers now days are just head coaches. Which is why I don't understand this "he's not been backed" argument. A sporting director got binned off cause he didn't get on with him, his nephew has been bought in to help, he has been able to sign players he has wanted. Howe does not get this free roam at another club of our size.

 

 

Edited April 15 by Menace

[Holloway]

Part of me would like to see Eddie lose it and hoy a wobbler at some numptie journo. Just the once,like 

[r0cafella]

6 minutes ago, Menace said:

SBR was 20 years ago like. Most managers now days are just head coaches. Which is why I don't understand this "he's not been backed" argument. A sporting director got binned off cause he didn't get on with him, his nephew has been bought in to help, he has been able to sign players he has wanted. Howe does not get this free roam at another club of our size.

 

 

 

I think the argument made is the effort he had to make coordinating our transfer business. That being said I tend to agree with your take. 

 

The alternatives of Mitchell should have stuck around and just signed who Eddie wanted is unrealistic given Mitchell was technically his boss. 

 

The other alternative narrative which is a better SD would have got our first choices is also unlikely imo. 

[Yorkie]

8 minutes ago, Menace said:

SBR was 20 years ago like. Most managers now days are just head coaches. Which is why I don't understand this "he's not been backed" argument. A sporting director got binned off cause he didn't get on with him, his nephew has been bought in to help, he has been able to sign players he has wanted. Howe does not get this free roam at another club of our size.

 

 

This is the thing with the current discourse. The framing of some of the criticism is so stupid.

 

Andy Howe has been here for years and even this summer, by all accounts, was instrumental in the singing of our best transfer in Thiaw.

 

People really need to get over that guy. It's all totally made up rage.

[Menace]

Again you're cherry picking a good signing and obviously ignoring the trash he was also responsible for

 

In what other club in the league is a nephew of a manager allowed to be in charge of transfers?

 

It's so small time 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Andy Howe's not in charge of transfers is he?

 

Also we know have a new CEO and Sporting Director. 

[Menace]

Even the current sporting director has been signed because he has a good relationship with Howe ffs 

[Menace]

1 minute ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

Andy Howe's not in charge of transfers is he?

 

Also we know have a new CEO and Sporting Director. 

 

He was in charge of transfers over summer and was pivotal in signing Wissa + Woltemade.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

1 minute ago, Menace said:

Even the current sporting director has been signed because he has a good relationship with Howe ffs 

 

That's not really true, he was in the frame for the job and then he talked to Howe to establish if the relationship would work. Unless you've read something different, that's all I could find from searching.

 

They hadn't worked together before.  

[r0cafella]

2 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

Andy Howe's not in charge of transfers is he?

 

Also we know have a new CEO and Sporting Director. 

According to reposts Andy Howe was heading up our incoming last summer. Nickson was in charge of outgoings. 

[The Prophet]

The "we sign too many athletes and not enough footballers" is becoming one of those forum myths that is strengthened by it's repition.

 

Last teansfer window we signed Ramsdale, Thiaw, Ramsey and Woltamade who are all technically sound, with only Thiaw being particularly athletic. Granted Elanga and Wissa were very much functionality over football.

 

That's to add to Trippier, Botman, Hall, Bruno, and Isak, along with complimenting Schar and Miley who are all individually decent with the ball their feet.

 

We have also signed functional, (Pope, Burn, Targett, Barnes, Wood) and players who are physical work horses, particularly in the wide areas (Tino, Tonali, Gordon), but it's been a mix for sure.

 

I agree that we should sign more midfielders who are calm with the ball at their feet and wide players with a bit more guile, the latter is a valid criticism of our recruitment, but we have signed some really good footballers.

 

In terms of ball retention, the coaching is a bigger concern for me, as some of these lads are currently far worse on the ball then they should be. I get we like to get the ball forward quickly, but t isn't remotely crisp or incisive.