Transfer rumours

[mrmojorisin75]

Steve Bruce is managing them man

 

It's the mclaren season take two.

 

Don't really need to say much more than that. The new signings might all be good prospects as individuals, moulding them into a team when you have no idea how to build a team in the first place is going to be the issue.

 

So again, this is the point I made myself no?

 

We have Rafa's team with 2 different attackers and a potentially better left back. That's the simple truth of it.

 

Teams in and around us haven't been out there blowing us out of the water in the market, we have just signed Steve fucking Bruce so they've got an advantage more than likely.

 

Dean there calling 75% of the squad outright shite or whatever it was, it's just not correct.

[geordiedean]

Steve Bruce is managing them man

 

It's the mclaren season take two.

 

Don't really need to say much more than that. The new signings might all be good prospects as individuals, moulding them into a team when you have no idea how to build a team in the first place is going to be the issue.

 

So again, this is the point I made myself no?

 

We have Rafa's team with 2 different attackers and a potentially better left back. That's the simple truth of it.

 

Teams in and around us haven't been out there blowing us out of the water in the market, we have just signed Steve fucking Bruce so they've got an advantage more than likely.

 

Dean there calling 75% of the squad outright shite or whatever it was, it's just not correct.

 

i didn't say 75% of the squad i said 75% of the list you stated. In all fairness give or take a few players...Dubravka,Schar,Lejeune,Longstaff,Almiron the rest is average to shite for me (apart from the new signings of course as they are unknown at the moment). We have so many players that people rave about that are just simply not good enough which is an indictment of how low expectations and standards have fallen at NUFC since ashley took over. Im talking about people like Shelvey,Dummet,Ritchie,Gayle,Muto,Manquillo,Yedlin,Ki, pre Ashley we would all have deemed these complete crap hell even Lascelles is vastly over rated to me he's certainly not as good a centre half as Schar or Lejeune and possibly even Fernndez but he gets plaudits beyond his ability

 

The vast Majority of this squad is way way below the quality level that we went down with in 2008/09

[mrmojorisin75]

Steve Bruce is managing them man

 

It's the mclaren season take two.

 

Don't really need to say much more than that. The new signings might all be good prospects as individuals, moulding them into a team when you have no idea how to build a team in the first place is going to be the issue.

 

So again, this is the point I made myself no?

 

We have Rafa's team with 2 different attackers and a potentially better left back. That's the simple truth of it.

 

Teams in and around us haven't been out there blowing us out of the water in the market, we have just signed Steve f***ing Bruce so they've got an advantage more than likely.

 

Dean there calling 75% of the squad outright s**** or whatever it was, it's just not correct.

 

i didn't say 75% of the squad i said 75% of the list you stated. In all fairness give or take a few players...Dubravka,Schar,Lejeune,Longstaff,Almiron the rest is average to s**** for me (apart from the new signings of course as they are unknown at the moment). We have so many players that people rave about that are just simply not good enough which is an indictment of how low expectations and standards have fallen at NUFC since ashley took over. Im talking about people like Shelvey,Dummet,Ritchie,Gayle,Muto,Manquillo,Yedlin,Ki, pre Ashley we would all have deemed these complete crap hell even Lascelles is vastly over rated to me he's certainly not as good a centre half as Schar or Lejeune and possibly even Fernndez but he gets plaudits beyond his ability

 

The vast Majority of this squad is way way below the quality level that we went down with in 2008/09

 

Yeah I didn't post the list.

 

But answer the question I've asked, of the clubs we're realistically competing with are our first 11-15 and backup significantly worse?  I don't see how you can say they are.

 

Again I'm talking about players not coaches and have made my feelings about Bruce et al clear.

[Gallowgate End]

I actually think it’s the most talented Newcastle Utd squad since promotion certainly the most expensive.

 

And with Bruce smartly deciding to live off Rafa’s well drilled back 3/5 I don’t see us conceding huge amounts IF he keeps it.

 

The biggest issue I think he’ll face is fans screaming for Joelinton, Saint-Maximin, Almiron to all start.

 

He has said he’ll be attacking but his 3-5-2 will mean we’re playing with 1 less forward than under Rafa Benitez.

 

I think we’ll see a backlash to his attacking comments the more we see him leave one of Joelinton, Saint-Maximin, Almiron out every week.

 

I expect his attacking comments will come to bite him if fans keep seeing him not play the mythical new front 3.

 

 

[geordiedean]

Steve Bruce is managing them man

 

It's the mclaren season take two.

 

Don't really need to say much more than that. The new signings might all be good prospects as individuals, moulding them into a team when you have no idea how to build a team in the first place is going to be the issue.

 

So again, this is the point I made myself no?

 

We have Rafa's team with 2 different attackers and a potentially better left back. That's the simple truth of it.

 

Teams in and around us haven't been out there blowing us out of the water in the market, we have just signed Steve f***ing Bruce so they've got an advantage more than likely.

 

Dean there calling 75% of the squad outright s**** or whatever it was, it's just not correct.

 

i didn't say 75% of the squad i said 75% of the list you stated. In all fairness give or take a few players...Dubravka,Schar,Lejeune,Longstaff,Almiron the rest is average to s**** for me (apart from the new signings of course as they are unknown at the moment). We have so many players that people rave about that are just simply not good enough which is an indictment of how low expectations and standards have fallen at NUFC since ashley took over. Im talking about people like Shelvey,Dummet,Ritchie,Gayle,Muto,Manquillo,Yedlin,Ki, pre Ashley we would all have deemed these complete crap hell even Lascelles is vastly over rated to me he's certainly not as good a centre half as Schar or Lejeune and possibly even Fernndez but he gets plaudits beyond his ability

 

The vast Majority of this squad is way way below the quality level that we went down with in 2008/09

 

Yeah I didn't post the list.

 

But answer the question I've asked, of the clubs we're realistically competing with are our first 11-15 and backup significantly worse?  I don't see how you can say they are.

 

Again I'm talking about players not coaches and have made my feelings about Bruce et al clear.

 

who do you consider us competing with? Id say Bournemouth,Watford and Palace have a better squad Brighton Burnley on par and Norwich and Sheff United inferior

[mrmojorisin75]

Steve Bruce is managing them man

 

It's the mclaren season take two.

 

Don't really need to say much more than that. The new signings might all be good prospects as individuals, moulding them into a team when you have no idea how to build a team in the first place is going to be the issue.

 

So again, this is the point I made myself no?

 

We have Rafa's team with 2 different attackers and a potentially better left back. That's the simple truth of it.

 

Teams in and around us haven't been out there blowing us out of the water in the market, we have just signed Steve f***ing Bruce so they've got an advantage more than likely.

 

Dean there calling 75% of the squad outright s**** or whatever it was, it's just not correct.

 

i didn't say 75% of the squad i said 75% of the list you stated. In all fairness give or take a few players...Dubravka,Schar,Lejeune,Longstaff,Almiron the rest is average to s**** for me (apart from the new signings of course as they are unknown at the moment). We have so many players that people rave about that are just simply not good enough which is an indictment of how low expectations and standards have fallen at NUFC since ashley took over. Im talking about people like Shelvey,Dummet,Ritchie,Gayle,Muto,Manquillo,Yedlin,Ki, pre Ashley we would all have deemed these complete crap hell even Lascelles is vastly over rated to me he's certainly not as good a centre half as Schar or Lejeune and possibly even Fernndez but he gets plaudits beyond his ability

 

The vast Majority of this squad is way way below the quality level that we went down with in 2008/09

 

Yeah I didn't post the list.

 

But answer the question I've asked, of the clubs we're realistically competing with are our first 11-15 and backup significantly worse?  I don't see how you can say they are.

 

Again I'm talking about players not coaches and have made my feelings about Bruce et al clear.

 

who do you consider us competing with? Id say Bournemouth,Watford and Palace have a better squad Brighton Burnley on par and Norwich and Sheff United inferior

 

Bournemouth arguably better depth not better 11 imo, Watford better 11 not better depth, Palace similar 11 worse depth, others slightly worse in all areas.

 

The differences is in coaches/management.

[mrmojorisin75]

I actually think it’s the most talented Newcastle Utd squad since promotion certainly the most expensive.

 

Same, on paper it's not bad. That's the only point I'm making while Dean wets the bed. Player wise we're in decent shape, on paper.

[loki679]

Steve Bruce is managing them man

 

It's the mclaren season take two.

 

Don't really need to say much more than that. The new signings might all be good prospects as individuals, moulding them into a team when you have no idea how to build a team in the first place is going to be the issue.

 

So again, this is the point I made myself no?

 

We have Rafa's team with 2 different attackers and a potentially better left back. That's the simple truth of it.

 

Teams in and around us haven't been out there blowing us out of the water in the market, we have just signed Steve f***ing Bruce so they've got an advantage more than likely.

 

Dean there calling 75% of the squad outright s**** or whatever it was, it's just not correct.

 

i didn't say 75% of the squad i said 75% of the list you stated. In all fairness give or take a few players...Dubravka,Schar,Lejeune,Longstaff,Almiron the rest is average to s**** for me (apart from the new signings of course as they are unknown at the moment). We have so many players that people rave about that are just simply not good enough which is an indictment of how low expectations and standards have fallen at NUFC since ashley took over. Im talking about people like Shelvey,Dummet,Ritchie,Gayle,Muto,Manquillo,Yedlin,Ki, pre Ashley we would all have deemed these complete crap hell even Lascelles is vastly over rated to me he's certainly not as good a centre half as Schar or Lejeune and possibly even Fernndez but he gets plaudits beyond his ability

 

The vast Majority of this squad is way way below the quality level that we went down with in 2008/09

 

Yeah I didn't post the list.

 

But answer the question I've asked, of the clubs we're realistically competing with are our first 11-15 and backup significantly worse?  I don't see how you can say they are.

 

Again I'm talking about players not coaches and have made my feelings about Bruce et al clear.

 

who do you consider us competing with? Id say Bournemouth,Watford and Palace have a better squad Brighton Burnley on par and Norwich and Sheff United inferior

 

You go on like this at the start of every season.

 

Our first choice 11 should have more than enough quality to stay up. Our defence is decent, midfield could use a bit more depth but aren't awful and our attack is as yet an unknown quantity but we know Almirón at least has some quality.

 

A halfway competent manager should be able to keep them up.

[steve_69]

Aarons

Saivet

Manquillo

Colback

Gayle

Murphy

Atsu

Elliot

Darlow

Muto?

 

That's 9, possibly 10 players that aren't good enough at this level and i've probably missed some off. Our entire first team back up is shite so if we get some injuries we're screwed.

Our new front line admittedly looks exciting but it could just as easily flop as succeed. We relied on the unproven but highly-rated Mitrovic to score our goals a few seasons ago and it cost us our place in the Premier League.

 

Unnecessary gamble by Fat Mike and Thumbhead as usual. Fucking idiots!

[Gallowgate End]

I actually think it’s the most talented Newcastle Utd squad since promotion certainly the most expensive.

 

Same, on paper it's not bad. That's the only point I'm making while Dean wets the bed. Player wise we're in decent shape, on paper.

 

Agree player talent wise

 

If you look at our starting 11 last season & first season up compared to what it will be vs Arsenal it’s much more talented.

 

Unfortunately we have a manager that will underachieve with his squad rather than overachieve.

 

We’ll most certainly finish below our 11.5 Premier League positional average since promotion.

[Mr Logic]

I actually think it’s the most talented Newcastle Utd squad since promotion certainly the most expensive.

 

And with Bruce smartly deciding to live off Rafa’s well drilled back 3/5 I don’t see us conceding huge amounts IF he keeps it.

 

The biggest issue I think he’ll face is fans screaming for Joelinton, Saint-Maximin, Almiron to all start.

 

He has said he’ll be attacking but his 3-5-2 will mean we’re playing with 1 less forward than under Rafa Benitez.

 

I think we’ll see a backlash to his attacking comments the more we see him leave one of Joelinton, Saint-Maximin, Almiron out every week.

 

I expect his attacking comments will come to bite him if fans keep seeing him not play the mythical new front 3.

 

 

 

Well drilled or not Rafa's team started defending from the front and the midfield role was perhaps most important in protecting the back line. Any more adventure to attack and you'll see the back increasingly over exposed.

 

Re point two, in a 5 man midfield there's nothing to say Almiron or St. Max couldn't fill a berth, especially against more vulnerable teams.

 

If Bruce can work any of that out. I suspect he won't have a clue what to do when suddenly the defenders apparently no longer know how to defend. It will all rest on the players.

[Gallowgate End]

I actually think it’s the most talented Newcastle Utd squad since promotion certainly the most expensive.

 

And with Bruce smartly deciding to live off Rafa’s well drilled back 3/5 I don’t see us conceding huge amounts IF he keeps it.

 

The biggest issue I think he’ll face is fans screaming for Joelinton, Saint-Maximin, Almiron to all start.

 

He has said he’ll be attacking but his 3-5-2 will mean we’re playing with 1 less forward than under Rafa Benitez.

 

I think we’ll see a backlash to his attacking comments the more we see him leave one of Joelinton, Saint-Maximin, Almiron out every week.

 

I expect his attacking comments will come to bite him if fans keep seeing him not play the mythical new front 3.

 

 

 

Well drilled or not Rafa's team started defending from the front and the midfield role was perhaps most important in protecting the back line. Any more adventure to attack and you'll see the back increasingly over exposed.

 

I agree defensive we won’t be as good but with keeping the well drilled back 3/5 of Rafa Benitez we’ll at least not conceded loads.

 

I think Shelvey has learnt enough defensively from Rafa to play this quarterback role that Bruce has given him too.

 

We’ll also have both Longstaff & Hayden in midfield too winning the ball back.

 

My main concern is actually going forward.

 

 

[loki679]

I hate that 'quarterback' role. It's just hipster hoofball, play a proper midfield. 

[mrmojorisin75]

Aarons

Saivet

Manquillo

Colback

Gayle

Murphy

Atsu

Elliot

Darlow

Muto?

 

That's 9, possibly 10 players that aren't good enough at this level and i've probably missed some off. Our entire first team back up is s**** so if we get some injuries we're screwed.

Our new front line admittedly looks exciting but it could just as easily flop as succeed. We relied on the unproven but highly-rated Mitrovic to score our goals a few seasons ago and it cost us our place in the Premier League.

 

Unnecessary gamble by Fat Mike and Thumbhead as usual. f***ing idiots!

 

Make that comparison for teams you'd consider will be bottom 10 or so and get back to me m8.

[Gallowgate End]

Re point two, in a 5 man midfield there's nothing to say Almiron or St. Max couldn't fill a berth, especially against more vulnerable teams.

 

I don’t think he’ll do that that will be the issue.

 

It will be Joelinton upfront and Saint-Maximin & Almiron taking turns to partner him.

 

With all the mythical talk of the new exciting front 3 and attacking approach he’s promised I think fans will be angry when they see him refuse to play the front 3 together.

 

When has Bruce ever delivered on his managerial words though.....

[Bimpy474]

I hate that 'quarterback' role. It's just hipster hoofball, play a proper midfield. 

 

It's just a fancy word, it's the sitting/holding midfielder of the central midfield 3, call it whatever but that's the reality imo.

 

If Shelvey can defend and sniff out the dangerous attacks, then he'd be very effective with his long passing range in that position when we win possession back to counter. It's the defensive discipline and know how part that i seriously doubt Shelvey will have. A bit like when Beckham thought he could do the same job for England.

[McCormick]

If it wasn't a Bruce-managed side, you could very easily say that this is a better team, talent-wise, than the one we started last season with. Despite his lack of tactical nous, I imagine a back 3 who've had at least a year or so of Rafa drilling them defensively coupled with Bruce's naive high-pressing style; we should, at the very least, see some more entertaining* football as well. I  reckon we'll stay up.

 

* In the "I'd rather see us lose 4-3 than win 1-0" sense.

[steve_69]

Aarons

Saivet

Manquillo

Colback

Gayle

Murphy

Atsu

Elliot

Darlow

Muto?

 

That's 9, possibly 10 players that aren't good enough at this level and i've probably missed some off. Our entire first team back up is s**** so if we get some injuries we're screwed.

Our new front line admittedly looks exciting but it could just as easily flop as succeed. We relied on the unproven but highly-rated Mitrovic to score our goals a few seasons ago and it cost us our place in the Premier League.

 

Unnecessary gamble by Fat Mike and Thumbhead as usual. f***ing idiots!

 

Make that comparison for teams you'd consider will be bottom 10 or so and get back to me m8.

 

Yeah, i take your point but i'd also argue that those other teams in the bottom 10 have better managers than we do so the playing field is somewhat levelled.

Some of the players on that list are capable of doing a job as Rafa proved, but he's a world class manager. I can't see Bruce getting a tune out of our more talented players, let alone anyone on that list?

[mrmojorisin75]

Aarons

Saivet

Manquillo

Colback

Gayle

Murphy

Atsu

Elliot

Darlow

Muto?

 

That's 9, possibly 10 players that aren't good enough at this level and i've probably missed some off. Our entire first team back up is s**** so if we get some injuries we're screwed.

Our new front line admittedly looks exciting but it could just as easily flop as succeed. We relied on the unproven but highly-rated Mitrovic to score our goals a few seasons ago and it cost us our place in the Premier League.

 

Unnecessary gamble by Fat Mike and Thumbhead as usual. f***ing idiots!

 

Make that comparison for teams you'd consider will be bottom 10 or so and get back to me m8.

 

Yeah, i take your point but i'd also argue that those other teams in the bottom 10 have better managers than we do so the playing field is somewhat levelled.

Some of the players on that list are capable of doing a job as Rafa proved, but he's a world class manager. I can't see Bruce getting a tune out of our more talented players, let alone anyone on that list?

 

Aye that's the exact same fucking point I made at the start in reply to people slating the playing squad.

 

And yet here we are 2 hours later.

[Bimpy474]

Team v Tottenham          Possible Team v Arsenal

 

Dubravka                        Dubravka 

Yedlin                              Manquillo

Lascelles                        Schar

Clark                              Lascelles

Dummett                        Dummett

Ritchie                            Willems

Shelvey                          Shelvey

Diamé                              Hayden

Kenedy                            Longstaff

Pérez                              Almiron

Joselu                              Joelinton

 

Subs                                Subs

Ki Sung-yueng                Ki Sung-yueng

Schär                              Maximin

Rondón                            Fernández

Muto                                Muto

Manquillo                        Yedlin

Darlow                            Darlow

Atsu                                Atsu

 

 

A better line up, shitter manager 

[Disco]

Patsy having his say:

 

With just two days left in the summer window after today, here’s Bruce on any more potential deals.

 

“I’m hoping that we can have a little bit of time. Whoever comes in was going to have difficult shoes to fill. I’ve said to the supporters give me a chance and judge me on what you see.  I hope I can give them something to shout about. I hope we are not finished (in the transfer market).”

 

Asked if more recruitment is dependent on players leaving, Bruce added:

 

“No. We are still hopeful that we have one or two things up our sleeve. We will know a little bit more in the next 24 hours. I would envisage we still have one or two bits still to do.”

[Kanj]

Bimpy474[/member] i assume Aarons gets into the 11 and Willems is on the bench over Yedlin? Is Atsu even fit?

[Minhosa]

Fuck off Steve.

[steve_69]

Aarons

Saivet

Manquillo

Colback

Gayle

Murphy

Atsu

Elliot

Darlow

Muto?

 

That's 9, possibly 10 players that aren't good enough at this level and i've probably missed some off. Our entire first team back up is s**** so if we get some injuries we're screwed.

Our new front line admittedly looks exciting but it could just as easily flop as succeed. We relied on the unproven but highly-rated Mitrovic to score our goals a few seasons ago and it cost us our place in the Premier League.

 

Unnecessary gamble by Fat Mike and Thumbhead as usual. f***ing idiots!

 

Make that comparison for teams you'd consider will be bottom 10 or so and get back to me m8.

 

Yeah, i take your point but i'd also argue that those other teams in the bottom 10 have better managers than we do so the playing field is somewhat levelled.

Some of the players on that list are capable of doing a job as Rafa proved, but he's a world class manager. I can't see Bruce getting a tune out of our more talented players, let alone anyone on that list?

 

Aye that's the exact same fucking point I made at the start in reply to people slating the playing squad.

 

And yet here we are 2 hours later.

 

I'm well confused here  I thought we were on different sides of this argument.

[Bimpy474]

Bimpy474[/member] i assume Aarons gets into the 11 and Willems is on the bench over Yedlin? Is Atsu even fit?

 

I reckon you're right about Aarons starting as left wing back, Yedlin has only just starting training from injury and Atsu the same, just guessing with the subs and line up obviously.