Jagten Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 3 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said: He's an upgrade and a good age, you'd think we could recoup £18-20m in a few years time still? Improvement or not (in that position our bar is low), the probable outcome of investing in a 25 y/o being a 30% loss of value is a bet I do not take. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc123 Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 1 minute ago, et tu brute said: He can't be anywhere worse that's for sure, is he the next step up that we really want?, not in my opinion, but you're entitled to yours Who do you want? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 Just now, Jagten said: Improvement or not (in that position our bar is low), the probable outcome of investing in a 25 y/o being a 30% loss of value is a bet I do not take. What is it you don't like about him? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 I'd put him in the same bracket as someone like Trossard. In the right set-up and team he could take a team to the top 8 or 9. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 Just now, Optimistic Nut said: I'd put him in the same bracket as someone like Trossard. In the right set-up and team he could take a team to the top 8 or 9. What about Milner? Or is that reaching? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoot Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 3 minutes ago, reefatoon said: If Howe feels he’s a next step player and wants to bring him in, that’s good enough for me. This^ I trust Howe on this 1. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
et tu brute Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 Just now, reefatoon said: If Howe feels he’s a next step player and wants to bring him in, that’s good enough for me. We don't even know he does want him, just the usual clickbait articles. As I said I don't think he's a next step up player and I certainly wouldn't pay 30 million for him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawalls Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 14 minutes ago, sushimonster85 said: Think this would be the sensible compromise. £27m now. Realistic add-ons up to £30m. Yep, this does sound like good sales Leeds Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawalls Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 1 minute ago, et tu brute said: We don't even know he does want him, just the usual clickbait articles. As I said I don't think he's a next step up player and I certainly wouldn't pay 30 million for him Didn’t he score ten goals last season? and that’s in a team that narrowly missed relegation. How can that not be a step up? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 i just want a break thru somewhere soon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 Just now, et tu brute said: We don't even know he does want him, just the usual clickbait articles. As I said I don't think he's a next step up player and I certainly wouldn't pay 30 million for him That’s why I said “if” he wants him. If we do get him in though, you know the club have done their homework and feel he can make an impact and play a part in where we want to go. personally, I’m not going to write anyone off. Whoever we bring in, I’m looking forward to seeing how they perform, how we shape the team and watching us kick on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, TRon said: What about Milner? Or is that reaching? 16 goals & 9 assists in a fairly average team in 2 seasons? We'd be signing him in his prime and you'd expect his numbers to improve playing in what should be a better team. £30m-ish for someone proven to score close to double-figures and provide assists seems very fair. Maximin is a similar age and hasn't got the output Harrison has and we wouldn't think of selling for £40m. Edited July 20, 2022 by Optimistic Nut Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alberto2005 Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 Just now, gdm said: i just want a break thru somewhere soon I literally had to go have a shit and pretend it was a transfer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonBez comesock Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 (edited) One thing that boils my piss (a little bit) is when I hear journalists say Newcastle will only do a deal that suits them and won’t go above their valuation of a target The problem with that is ….. There are always a few teams willing to pay just that little bit more to secure a deal if it’s the player they really want So if we don’t pay it , someone else will Also - if we have a list of targets and we don’t get the player we want (and we need to go down our list) ….are we not then going to have to replace/sell these players at some point (when we decide to go after bigger targets down the line) ?? Who will buy them if they are on decent wages? Haven’t quite done it for us ? Also …do we not contact players / agents months in advance….so we should pretty much know straight away if the transfer fee or wages will be an issue? Yes we have a 5 year plan ? Maybe 4 years now??…..but the top 5 or 6 clubs have potentially improved (moved ahead) of us now in terms of player quality….. and they will always have the finances and wage structure to compete for the top players despite our wealth I don’t think over spending on a few top targets will show weakness , it just shows a desire to push for Europe , a willingness to show ambition I am not talking about stupid crazy spending , I am talking about doing that little bit extra to nab our top targets on our list? As what is the point in having all these high priority targets and seeing them sign for other teams ? There always has to be a middle ground , and pushing the boat out on maybe 2 players may reap the rewards of European football ?? Which in turn can generate more tv money / more commercial money / a higher standard of player interest? /etc We don’t have to spend every window if we get the higher standard of players that we have at the top of our list ?? Edited July 20, 2022 by JonBez comesock Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 Don’t worry man, we will bring in more players, it’s just proving a little trickier than expected, but it will happen. Just sit back, relax and realise how much better this all is compared to what we had to put up with before. This summer has been the best summer in 15 years, enjoy it! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonBez comesock Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 Dirk Kuyt up to much ? Can play on the wing and up front ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
et tu brute Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 1 minute ago, reefatoon said: That’s why I said “if” he wants him. If we do get him in though, you know the club have done their homework and feel he can make an impact and play a part in where we want to go. personally, I’m not going to write anyone off. Whoever we bring in, I’m looking forward to seeing how they perform, how we shape the team and watching us kick on. Whoever we sign (if he does) has to be given a chance. Anyway it's only clickbait articles from the usual pack, so I'll just wait and see what happens first. We can leave any analysis and discussions on players until they actually sign for now. So I'll leave it there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonBez comesock Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 Just now, reefatoon said: Don’t worry man, we will bring in more players, it’s just proving a little trickier than expected, but it will happen. Just sit back, relax and realise how much better this all is compared to what we had to put up with before. This summer has been the best summer in 15 years, enjoy it! I am pretty relaxed to be fair , I just think they would of known how difficult it was going to be from the outset it will be like this every window tbf i still have 100% faith and will back the owners to the hilt It’s always nice to get a little concerned , ? Ps - I just believe there has to be a time to go that extra mile …which they will do In the future …i have no doubt They have done a whole host of fantastic things so far for the club on and off the field Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 We need to add about 20 goals or so this summer, he probably brings an 8-10 goal improvement over Fraser and Almiron and that's being conservative. Add a fully fit Wilson and back up striker and I think we've bridged the gap. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 6 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said: 16 goals & 9 assists in a fairly average team in 2 seasons? We'd be signing him in his prime and you'd expect his numbers to improve playing in what should be a better team. £30m-ish for someone proven to score close to double-figures and provide assists seems very fair. Maximin is a similar age and hasn't got the output Harrison has and we wouldn't think of selling for £40m. Well a lot of people pooh pooh-ing over the idea of Harrison, maybe because he doesn't do the fancy step overs, but he might do a lot of things right which don't catch the eye. I know many of us thought James Milner wasn't good enough, but he's won umpteen trophies since at Liverpool. Those numbers do suggest Harrison has something about him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 1 minute ago, TRon said: Well a lot of people pooh pooh-ing over the idea of Harrison, maybe because he doesn't do the fancy step overs, but he might do a lot of things right which don't catch the eye. I know many of us thought James Milner wasn't good enough, but he's won umpteen trophies since at Liverpool. Those numbers do suggest Harrison has something about him. Harrison tore Trippier a new one in the first half iirc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawalls Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 5 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said: We need to add about 20 goals or so this summer, he probably brings an 8-10 goal improvement over Fraser and Almiron and that's being conservative. Add a fully fit Wilson and back up striker and I think we've bridged the gap. Username checks out Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 Another factor is he's clearly used to the high press after playing under Bielsa. The more I think about this one the the more I think he'll be an excellent fit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc123 Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 5 minutes ago, TRon said: Well a lot of people pooh pooh-ing over the idea of Harrison, maybe because he doesn't do the fancy step overs, but he might do a lot of things right which don't catch the eye. I know many of us thought James Milner wasn't good enough, but he's won umpteen trophies since at Liverpool. Those numbers do suggest Harrison has something about him. At least hes got a football brain. But hey give Almiron and the others a chance, like some would instead.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 3 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said: Another factor is he's clearly used to the high press after playing under Bielsa. The more I think about this one the the more I think he'll be an excellent fit. Same. But I don't want to say it too enthusiastically just yet in case it all turns out to be a dud story. In which case he'll go back to being a one dimensional talentless shitbag with not tricks up his sleeve. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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